New policy: No young kids at Victoria & Albert's

What if WDW were to take a page from the Swan/Dolphin and the Disney Cruise Line, pick a couple of the signature restaurants in resorts, and offer two hours of complimentary.

They could rotate it.

Mon night- Jiko adults only dining
Tue night- California Grill adults only
Wed night- Artist Point adults only
Thur night- O'Hana's...

Charge an extra $20 for the quite relaxed setting.
And test how popular the program is?

We all know that "some" parents make some bad choices when it comes to bringing cranky young kids to nice places they don't need to be...or other bad parental judgment

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What would Walt think about this?
I just see more and more child hating posts here.
Why do these people even bother to go to any Disney Park at all????
There build fore children.

Last night I was watching an interview with Diane Disney Miller (Walt's daughter) on a Disney Treasures DVD set I got for Christmas. She said that Walt told his wife and daughters not to be at the opening of Disneyland. He said that he would to busy to take care of them too.
 
This is probally something irrevelant for me to say by now, but something I'd like to see happen is just for disney to kick all rude people out of signature restaurants, no matter what their age.
 

They could rotate it.

Mon night- Jiko adults only dining
Tue night- California Grill adults only
Wed night- Artist Point adults only
Thur night- O'Hana's...

Charge an extra $20 for the quite relaxed setting.
And test how popular the program is?

I've had a similar idea, that maybe some restaurants could be child-free 2 or 3 nights a week, instead of all the time, which would allow those of us who want a child-free meal to have it, while not precluding children from enjoying the restaurants entirely.

I'm not sure 'Ohana would work, though. Even for mean-spirited child-hating grumps like me :love: , part of the fun of a meal at 'Ohana is watching the hula competitions and coconut races. And although I know there are plenty of adults who'd love to have a child-free character meal, I don't think I'd support a character restaurant going child-free, either.

But to me the best compromise is to make sure that whatever kind of meal does go child-free has a child-friendly counterpart somewhere else at WDW, so that those who do want to have a particular type of meal with their kids are not totally locked out.
 
I’ve been reading this thread since the beginning and finally decided to don my flameproof suit and chip in my 2 cents (plus 18% mandatory gratuity since I’m on the DDE)

I hear the arguments that this should not be a policy since parents should use common sense and either teach their children proper manners or not go to V&A. I totally agree with the theory but the reality is there are those few parents who simply do not use common sense (those who think heelies in a crowded theme park is a good idea for example). I also hear those who say the staff should ask people whose children are disruptive to leave. It sounds good in theory but in reality by the time the staff could intervene the dining experience for everyone else around the family has already been disrupted.

Then there’s the “But my 8 y/o DS wants to go to V&A” arguments. When I was 8 I wanted to drive but there were rules that prevented me from doing what I wanted. I wasn’t thrilled about it but learned that’s part of life. I’m sure there are a number of people who have taken young children to V&A and had a great experience and their children were very well behaved. Unfortunately there have been enough bad apples to spoil it for them. Disney has to balance when there are competing interests...in this case, the privilege of a guest to bring their children to V&A to act like little barbarians versus the privileges of the other guests who are paying hundreds of dollars to enjoy a nice quiet 5 star dining experience.

I disagree with those who say it should be extended to all the signature restaurants but I do agree with those who say extending it to a single restaurant would be a good idea. I particularly like the idea of alternating the restaurants to prevent any single restaurant from excluding children entirely. I’m not sure if it would really be feasible in practice but I love the idea. As others have noted, Disney is shifting its marketing towards the adult crowds and offering the option of dining in a child-free restaurant is something that will definitely fit in with that strategy. Disney has offered this on it’s cruise line and there have not been wide-scale protests nor has it remained empty because people do not want it. To the contrary it seems to be quite popular which shows there is a demand for this type of dining experience.

We had our honeymoon at WDW and have gone back for our anniversary each year. We always enjoy our anniversary dinner at one of the signature restaurants and each time there have been some children running around the restaurant disrupting the dining room. The vast majority of kids are very well behaved but there are those few who aren’t and the parents do not even try to control their behaviour. It can be debated endlessly whether the problem is the parents or the children but I’m not going there. We just look at it as part of the experience and something to be expected at WDW. That being said, if there was the option I think it would be nice to have a quiet and romantic anniversary dinner and we would definitely take advantage of an adult-only restaurant for that particular meal.

I’m not quite sure why someone who wants to celebrate a special occasion with a quiet, romantic dinner without children running around is branded here as a child hater. I understand the wishes of people to have fine dining experiences with their children and think that’s great but there are also people who would like the option of child-free dining for special occasions. I don’t understand why that seems to be so offensive.

Again, just my own opinion.

Lee
 
They could rotate it.

Mon night- Jiko adults only dining
Tue night- California Grill adults only
Wed night- Artist Point adults only
Thur night- O'Hana's...
I think you're on to something with that. If I'm correct there are seven signature restaurants of the DDP; Narcoossee's, Citrico's, CA Grill, Artist Point, Flying Fish, Yachtsman Steakhouse, and Jiko. They could easily try to do that, since there are also seven days in the week. That would make making ADRs more confusing for those with children though since they would have to make sure they weren't planning to eat at Jiko on Sunday night or whenever.
 
I don't have a problem with this policy...

Just curious... do a lot of you wish there were a bunch of adult-only places for dining and entertainment or is it just the smaller kids?

I have 3 kids 9, 6 & 2.5 and I pretty much always wish they would act like responsible adults or don't go to dinner with us :)

Seriously though the world is a different place these days with families eating out regularly... it's a big market. I wouldn't take mine to V&A and don't really have a problem with the policy... but worse than a child acting like a child is an adult acting like a child.

I do get kind of bugged when people want Disney to cater to an adult (i.e. drinking) crowd and get rid of the "screamin' kids" attitude. A night-time restaurant or V&A's is one thing, but in the back of my mind I always think of Disney as really a place where kids can go and that the adults would be happy for that... but I do see a lot of comments like "Disney is not just for kids, etc..." and while I understand that I also keep thinking it's built around a premise of kids and fairy tales and innocence and there's not much of that left in the world anymore. Anyway, just wondering if people basically think it's an ok balance or if it's too kid-centered.
 
'Ohana is not a signature restaurant (besides the fact that the name "'Ohana" apparently means "family" and the irony involved would be all over the board) so I wouldn't mind taking it out of that rotation- add Narcoosees or Citricos.

Brown Derby is the only sig in a theme park (despite the 2 credit thing for the DP, I wouldn't count CRT as a sig) so maybe leave that one off too..

Oh wait. Bistro de Paris should count. and that's not really an atmosphere meant for small children..Okay, maybe the rule thing should be for Victoria and Albert's only.

For the previous poster... some think Disney should be exclusively child-centered, others believe it should have more for adults without children. WDW tries to form a balance. I think that most of the persons objecting to the V&A rule object to its mere existence and the impression they believe it conveys about parents and children, not to the fact that they can't bring the children to V&A. I think the number of people who actually wanted to bring children there is extremely small.
 
As a 'DINK' family, I appreciate the places that cater to adults only. At Disney, I expect there to be families of all types, with children without, with 2 parents with one, grandparents, aunts, uncles, billy goat gruffs.....


I am not enhough of a foodie to appreciate V&A. I do think that a 5 star place, no kids menu and the price tag that goes with it, makes sense to formalize what happens there most nights.

For those that wanted to bring the kids under 10, they grow up fast, they will be 10 soon enough.

In the meantime, there are enough signature dininig experiences on and off property to indulge your little foodie to their hearts content. popcorn::
 
This is probally something irrevelant for me to say by now, but something I'd like to see happen is just for disney to kick all rude people out of signature restaurants, no matter what their age.

Now you've got something here, but why stop at Signature restaurants, I say keep rude people out of buffets & counter services too!! :lmao:
 
I’ve been reading this thread since the beginning and finally decided to don my flameproof suit and chip in my 2 cents (plus 18% mandatory gratuity since I’m on the DDE)

I hear the arguments that this should not be a policy since parents should use common sense and either teach their children proper manners or not go to V&A. I totally agree with the theory but the reality is there are those few parents who simply do not use common sense (those who think heelies in a crowded theme park is a good idea for example). I also hear those who say the staff should ask people whose children are disruptive to leave. It sounds good in theory but in reality by the time the staff could intervene the dining experience for everyone else around the family has already been disrupted.

Then there’s the “But my 8 y/o DS wants to go to V&A” arguments. When I was 8 I wanted to drive but there were rules that prevented me from doing what I wanted. I wasn’t thrilled about it but learned that’s part of life. I’m sure there are a number of people who have taken young children to V&A and had a great experience and their children were very well behaved. Unfortunately there have been enough bad apples to spoil it for them. Disney has to balance when there are competing interests...in this case, the privilege of a guest to bring their children to V&A to act like little barbarians versus the privileges of the other guests who are paying hundreds of dollars to enjoy a nice quiet 5 star dining experience.

I disagree with those who say it should be extended to all the signature restaurants but I do agree with those who say extending it to a single restaurant would be a good idea. I particularly like the idea of alternating the restaurants to prevent any single restaurant from excluding children entirely. I’m not sure if it would really be feasible in practice but I love the idea. As others have noted, Disney is shifting its marketing towards the adult crowds and offering the option of dining in a child-free restaurant is something that will definitely fit in with that strategy. Disney has offered this on it’s cruise line and there have not been wide-scale protests nor has it remained empty because people do not want it. To the contrary it seems to be quite popular which shows there is a demand for this type of dining experience.

We had our honeymoon at WDW and have gone back for our anniversary each year. We always enjoy our anniversary dinner at one of the signature restaurants and each time there have been some children running around the restaurant disrupting the dining room. The vast majority of kids are very well behaved but there are those few who aren’t and the parents do not even try to control their behaviour. It can be debated endlessly whether the problem is the parents or the children but I’m not going there. We just look at it as part of the experience and something to be expected at WDW. That being said, if there was the option I think it would be nice to have a quiet and romantic anniversary dinner and we would definitely take advantage of an adult-only restaurant for that particular meal.

I’m not quite sure why someone who wants to celebrate a special occasion with a quiet, romantic dinner without children running around is branded here as a child hater. I understand the wishes of people to have fine dining experiences with their children and think that’s great but there are also people who would like the option of child-free dining for special occasions. I don’t understand why that seems to be so offensive.

Again, just my own opinion.

Lee

Lee -

Well Said. :thumbsup2

B.
 
I am amazed that anybody would want to take an under 10 year old to V&A, I do understand that there are kids out there that could handle the experience but would imagine they are far and few between. I have had the fortunate experience of dining there on a few occations and honestly can appericiate why they do not want children under 10 there.

Fact is alot of people spend very special events there and in some cases I would imagine its a once in a lifetime fine dining experience. There is no need for that to be interupted by screaming children or restless children. Whos fault is that? The parents of course , and most times parents that can afford to take small children to this type of fine dining could careless if they are ruining peoples time as they have money to eat at places like this whenever they care to. (not speaking to the poster that ate there as a small child, sounds like you are an exception, if more familes were like yours that patronize V&A, this would be a none issue). Having money unfortunatley does not by you class in many cases.

Should all the finer restauants become adults only, no way, if I want a nice steak with my kids, who are well enough behaved to get through a meal, than im going to want to bring them with me. Being an adult with children does not mean I have no choice but to eat at the food courts or kids character buffets.

I let my kids go to the parks in the morning come back and take a nice nap than head out to the parks again around 5 , if we want to eat at 9 930 I dont want to be told its adult time. Thats just unfair and would imagine you would have many an angry guest that follow the same plan we do.

Lets not get crazy here because a $125 dollar plus a plate restaurant chose to give its patrons paying top dollar an atmosphere they deserve with such a price tag.
 
I'm a parent. My son is 22, my daughter is 4.

I think it's great that V&A instituted this policy. There's a time and a place for everyone & everything, and children don't belong at a restaurant like V&A. People who want to relax, have a romantic evening, and who wish to not be disturbed don't need children wrecking the atmosphere. Sure, it's nice to think that parents SHOULD be teaching their children how to behave, but let's face it - not every parent knows how to behave.

You can't expect babies, toddlers and very young children to act like mini adults. They just can't do it. 10 was a great cut-off for this place.
 
Just curious... do a lot of you wish there were a bunch of adult-only places for dining and entertainment or is it just the smaller kids?

I can't speak for everybody, but I'd like to see a limited number of adult-only restaurants at WDW, and not just eh $125 5-star places.

But I don't want to lock out kids from any particular type of dining; I'd only want to see adults-only places that had similar kid-friendly places somewhere else at WDW.

'Ohana is not a signature restaurant (besides the fact that the name "'Ohana" apparently means "family" and the irony involved would be all over the board) so I wouldn't mind taking it out of that rotation- add Narcoosees or Citricos.

I wouldn't want to see 'Ohana become adults-only, either.
 
Again, support the decision, but as always threads have a way of bringing up things that are somehow 'in common' with the original intent.

The WD Mission statement, as of the last paperwork I have on file is:

"To make people happy." Not children, not families, but people. Rather generic, eh?

Their values statement:

No cynicism
Nurturing and promulgation of "wholesome American values"
Creativity, dreams and imagination
Fanatical attention to consistency and detail
Preservation and control of the Disney "magic"


Again, no mention of children, family, or any specific group of people. I think they were finding that they could not control the Disney magic at V&A thanks to some bad apples. Probably why they still don't serve alcohol at MK.

However, I do find it interesting (not bad, not good, not anything...just 'interesting') that any adult(s) would come to WDW and expect a fully adult experience. Not because they shouldn't be there and experience all that is Disney, but it seems as oxymoronic as going to a foreign country and just expecting that residents there all understand/speak English. I mean, great when I find an English speaker, but nothing I should expect. Same for Disney - great if you find the adult experience, but nothing you should expect.
 
I wonder if at least part of the reason behind the change is Guests contacting Disney about there NOT being a childrens' menu - or, more to the point, childrens' pricing - at Victorian & Albert's...
 
Not sure if this has been brought up yet, but I think a great way to solve this and keep all parties happy would be to not allow children at all Signature restaurants AFTER a certain time of night....say, no children under 10 years old after 7:30pm. This way, if you want to bring your kids, do so at an earlier hour. and if you want to be garunteed some "adult time," plan to eat a little later. Now, this wouldn't be a perfect system because parties w/little kids who arrive prior to 7:30 would likely still be there enjoying their meals, but I think it would help.

Any thoughts on this?

A similar rule is enforced at our local movie theater and I think it's great.

I disagree that, just because it's WDW, guests should expect that everything is going to be kid-involved experience all the time. Most of the time, yes, it's inevitable and I wouldn't have it any other way. I certainly wouldnt want to walk into a park and see only adults-kids help create the magic. But, there are plenty of guest parties who are adult-only, and WDW has done a great job with offering adult activities we can escape to. There should be a time and a place for everything.
 
Is it really a 3-hour meal at VA's? :scared:

My family often travels with my parents, and I would BEG my parents NOT to take me to a 3-hour meal while I was at DISNEYWORLD . . .

and I'm 39!!!! :rotfl:

After a full day at WDW, I would fall over after a couple of hours of wine and harp music. . . right into my plate. I know that it is probably great . . . but if I kept my kids from WDW activities for 3 hours, they (and I) would freak out.

I don't really know the answer to this issue--I can see both sides' points.
 
Not sure if this has been brought up yet, but I think a great way to solve this and keep all parties happy would be to not allow children at all Signature restaurants AFTER a certain time of night....say, no children under 10 years old after 7:30pm. This way, if you want to bring your kids, do so at an earlier hour. and if you want to be garunteed some "adult time," plan to eat a little later. Now, this wouldn't be a perfect system because parties w/little kids who arrive prior to 7:30 would likely still be there enjoying their meals, but I think it would help.

Any thoughts on this?

This has been brought up several times in this thread, but I don't think it would work, for two reasons:

1) There is great difficulty in adjusting your body clock to a different time zone; many people from the US west coast, whose body clocks run 3 hours later than WDW time, prefer to eat as late as 10pm while at WDW (which is 7pm at home).

And there are also weirdos like me who prefer to eat earlier in the evening; I like having dinner before 7pm, and would have a mighty hard time pounding down a meal after 9pm.

2) Transition from kid-friendly to adults-only would cause lots of grief. What happens to those who have 8:30 ADRs at a restaurant where dinner takes nearly 2 hours? Will they be thrown out at 9pm? Or will the restaurant stop seating kids as early as 7pm so that they're all gone by the 9pm no-kids deadline? If kids are seated right up to the 9pm deadline, then enjoy a two-hour meal, then the deadline becomes meaningless and everybody in the restaurant suffers if a kid has a meltdown.

To me, it's better to have the restaurant's entire open time either restricted or not restricted. I think it might work to make certain restaurants kid-free on certain nights of the week, as has also been suggested in this thread.
 












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