Network television is really becoming a cesspool.

[JaneBanks]

http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/454718-Appeals_Court_Thows_Out_FCC_s_Indecency_Policy.php

It is about time that the FCC was held accountable for the "chilling" effect their over-reaching may have on the content that television networks offer us. Viewers have the ultimate control over what content contains - the on/off switch. Governmental censorship is definitely unacceptable.

The bold needs repeating!!

 

[Tinkermommy]

I watch very little network television so I haven't been aware of what they do or don't do.

I really don't have a problem with them cursing or even sexual situations as long as they have a disclaimer before so if you don't like that kind of thing you don't have to watch it.

What is shocking is that people still watch soap operas! They are on sometimes at my nail salon and the story lines are the same as when I was in high school and watched All My Children.

 

[wvjules]

Yesterday on General Hospital, one of the characters said, "Shut up! You want to act like a man but you're acting like a little (female dog)!!" I have to say I'm quite shocked that female dog would be used in that context without shame on network TV. Is anyone else shocked? Because I am.

Not to mention that the "female dog" comment is typically reserved for women. So it was a kind of a misogynistic statement.

Umm, hello you were watching trashy daytime television...what else would you expect?

ETA: Just realized this thread is 7 months old.

 

[NotUrsula]

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I also remember the first time I ever heard the S-word (term for a woman who sleeps around) on TV. Wow!

Wasn't that 32 years ago on SNL? I remember distinctly that that was a running gag in Dan Ackroyd and Jane Curtin's parody of "60 Minutes' Point-Counterpoint".

 

[We_Love_Disney]

Hollywood is working overtime with the shock factor and trying to make it seem that everyone 'talks' or 'acts' that way. Is it any wonder America is swirling down the toilet regarding the morals and attitude?

Call me old fashioned, but, I do not like watching television/movies that use crass language and gratuitous sex. I absolutely do not like watching the sex scenes - leave me something to my imagination.

How about all the commercials for E.D.? Like I want to know - NOT. Those are on all day, everyday. And the K-Y ads - OMB There is no humility left for those people

 

[FireDancer]

Umm, hello you were watching trashy daytime television...what else would you expect?

ETA: Just realized this thread is 7 months old.

I would expect anyone killing their 4th mistress they have had since their last comma which they were in because they were in a car accident while fleeing the state with their kidnapped love child to not use naughty language while doing it of course.

 

[bicker]

Is it any wonder America is swirling down the toilet regarding the morals and attitude?

There is no real causation between speech and morals. Some of the most refined speakers are engaging in tax evasion, copyright violation, and other self-centered immorality. Meanwhile, some people with the trashiest verbiage rushed down to New Orleans after Katrina, and are busily trying to clean up the environment around the Gulf of Mexico at this moment.

Call me old fashioned, but, I do not like watching television/movies that use crass language and gratuitous sex.

I don't like watching television sports.

So I don't watch such programs.

Problem solved.

 

[We_Love_Disney]

There is no real causation between speech and morals. Some of the most refined speakers are engaging in tax evasion, copyright violation, and other self-centered immorality. Meanwhile, some people with the trashiest verbiage rushed down to New Orleans after Katrina, and are busily trying to clean up the environment around the Gulf of Mexico at this moment.

I don't like watching television sports.

So I don't watch such programs.

Problem solved.

No real causation? I find that extremely difficult to believe! When children are exposed to excessive violence, sexual overtures and other immoral behavior repeatedly they will in fact emulate it.

Your problem may be solved by ignoring it, but for the rest of us, it isn't that easy. Somewhere, someone has to be the person that speaks up and denounces all the crap that is being shown and shoved down our throats. Yes, I have the ability to turn off MY television, but, I don't have the ability to turn it off when it is in a public place do I? Should I just ignore that and hope it goes away.

Last time I checked, ignoring problems didn't solve them, they just became bigger until they could no longer be ignored.

 

[AndreaDM]

I would expect anyone killing their 4th mistress they have had since their last comma which they were in because they were in a car accident while fleeing the state with their kidnapped love child to not use naughty language while doing it of course.

Well they were suffering from amnesia (again) so give 'em a break.

 

[Tinkermommy]

Well they were suffering from amnesia (again) so give 'em a break.

Or it was their evil twin!

 

[bicker]

No real causation? I find that extremely difficult to believe! When children are exposed to excessive violence, sexual overtures and other immoral behavior repeatedly they will in fact emulate it.

First, the issue you raised was speech. If you would please post the evidence of the causation you claim, then we can start the discussion about that from there. Second, children shouldn't be watching television not intended for children. That's a parent's responsibility to ensure.

Your problem may be solved by ignoring it, but for the rest of us, it isn't that easy.

All the tools necessary to make it easy have been provided for you. You just need to take up the responsibility for using those tools.

Somewhere, someone has to be the person that speaks up and denounces all the crap that is being shown and shoved down our throats.

No one is shoving anything. Turn off the television. Free yourself.

Yes, I have the ability to turn off MY television, but, I don't have the ability to turn it off when it is in a public place do I?

Don't watch television in a public place.

Should I just ignore that and hope it goes away.

Yes.

Last time I checked, ignoring problems didn't solve them, they just became bigger until they could no longer be ignored.

It isn't a problem. You're personally choosing to see it as one. That's your responsibility.

This whole issue is a matter of responsibility, starting with leaving broadcasters responsible for what they broadcast and leaving viewers (including the parents of young viewers) responsible for what they watch. One of the biggest moral challenges our society faces is the extent to which people refuse to fulfill their responsibilities - the extent to which people seek to blame others for things instead of recognizing and acknowledging their own role.

Perhaps television, itself, prompted the refusal to fulfill one's personal responsibility for what they and their children watch on television?

 

[We_Love_Disney]

bicker - your name says it all ..... Read the entire thing. morality was addressing the gratuitous sex. In the spirit of what you have said.
I chose to IGNORE you. :click:

 

[wvjules]

No real causation? I find that extremely difficult to believe! When children are exposed to excessive violence, sexual overtures and other immoral behavior repeatedly they will in fact emulate it.

Your problem may be solved by ignoring it, but for the rest of us, it isn't that easy. Somewhere, someone has to be the person that speaks up and denounces all the crap that is being shown and shoved down our throats. Yes, I have the ability to turn off MY television, but, I don't have the ability to turn it off when it is in a public place do I? Should I just ignore that and hope it goes away.

Last time I checked, ignoring problems didn't solve them, they just became bigger until they could no longer be ignored.

It isn't shoved down your throat if you can TURN IT OFF! Should everything you think is immoral be banned? How many public places do you go that ther e is a TV?

 

[wvjules]

People like you are extremely annoying and I chose to IGNORE you. :click:

And that is what you should do when there is something you find offensive/immoral on TV.

 

[We_Love_Disney]

Or it was their evil twin!

Oh how true. Gotta love the evil twin.

 

[We_Love_Disney]

It isn't shoved down your throat if you can TURN IT OFF! Should everything you think is immoral be banned? How many public places do you go that ther e is a TV?

It takes a village and if the village is having wildly free sex on the streets then its okay? We should just ignore it. If the neighbors are screaming swears outside, it should be ignored? If the cars going by your house are speeding, we should ignore it? If the people are walking through the streets without clothing, that should be okay, and we should ignore it, because we have the ability to close our windows, shut our doors and hide under the covers? Is that what you are saying??

It is shoved down our throats. In print ads, in television ads, in the ads during the news, even in the banners on internet sites. Apparently you haven't been to a mall lately, because there are tvs all over the place. Train stations, bus stations, emergency rooms just to name a few are all littered with televisions.

 

[bicker]

And that is what you should do when there is something you find offensive/immoral on TV.

Precisely. This is a fabricated problem - fabricated by partisan advocates to seek to impose their own personal beliefs onto everyone, rather than allowing each to live in accordance with their own beliefs and values, in accordance with our nation's laws, and basic principles of freedom.

 

[We_Love_Disney]

Precisely. This is a fabricated problem - fabricated by partisan advocates to seek to impose their own personal beliefs onto everyone, rather than allowing each to live in accordance with their own beliefs and values, in accordance with our nation's laws, and basic principles of freedom.

OMG such attitudes is why we are flooded with illegal aliens, socialistic policies and no money in the budget.

 

[bicker]

It takes a village and if the village is having wildly free sex on the streets then its okay?

No one is talking about the streets. We're talking about commercial television, and not even any part of the mandated service, i.e., news, information or educational programming. This is additional, viewer-driven programming, satisfying viewer demand, responding to viewers' decision whether or not to tune in. If it is something which too many people object to, then the system would fix itself, without any need for interference, because the network responds directly to what viewers want to watch.

We should just ignore it. If the neighbors are screaming swears outside, it should be ignored?

We're not talking about screaming swears outside or speeding cars going by your house or any other Straw Man Argument that you choose to throw into the mix. We're talking about television, a venue within which people are warned before something potentially objectionable is presented, and therefore they make their own decision whether they want to be present when that potentially objectionable content is presented. They take responsibility for their viewing of it.

It is shoved down our throats.

This is not shoved down your throats. You elect to have it presented to you when you tune into a program.

In print ads, in television ads, in the ads during the news, even in the banners on internet sites.

If you have a problem with those things, then complain about those things. Don't try to corrupt what legitimate concerns you may have about advertising into something it isn't.

And thank you for removing the personal attack you made against me from your earlier message. I appreciate your conscientiousness in that regard.

 

[bicker]

This is a fabricated problem - fabricated by partisan advocates to seek to impose their own personal beliefs onto everyone, rather than allowing each to live in accordance with their own beliefs and values, in accordance with our nation's laws, and basic principles of freedom.

OMG such attitudes is why we are flooded with illegal aliens, socialistic policies and no money in the budget.

I'm stunned that you publicly attack the right of others to live in accordance with beliefs and values other than those you feel they should live in accordance with. I find that perspective, in the words of the US Court of Appeals, "chilling".