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Paull117

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I normally watch the family and the trip planning boards and don't post much. Tonight when I got home I just needed someone to talk to and this seemed like the best place to do it. I am sorry if this gets long, but I just need to vent.

Start at the beginning. I went to school 9, 10 yrs ago for computer programming. Met a girl about halfway through school. We got close at about 6 months I found out what her family did. They had a computer software company. I never really wanted to force myself into the company, but I asked them to at least help me get an internship with them, to finish up my degree. They accepted me in, and I did very well they took me on full time. I never took this for granted and I always pushed myself to be the best because I don't want to let them down. I never minded working for family I grew up with a family corporation granted it was farming and not software but at least I knew what I was getting into.

I married the girl 7 1/2 yrs ago, and I love her even more today. The family in the business is MIL(president and founder), FIL(VP), BIL(Director of marketing), DW(Sales, and accounts, and ME(head programmer and DBA). My MIL, FIL always wanted to hand the business down to their kids. During the first yrs of marriage my wife was all into this. Of course I was as well because I figured I would get a piece of the cake to if I kept proving myself. It seemed as if this is how it was going to be, in 3 yrs I became the head programmer. I worked my tail off, and it takes a bit to get respect from fellow programmers when they find out you are the SIL, but I always proved myself. DW and BIL had occasional spats very typical in family business, but MIL and FIL never really wanted to help out with the situtations. BIL does have a bit of a work eithic problem he knows what he is doing but he plays alot and uses the family to get his way. This was his first job so and from what I can gather he has always gotten what he wanted(very spoiled).

Then came 9-11. Our company has a few gov contracts for 4-H youth enrollment program. Quite a bit of their funding was cut because gov changed their needs for security. MIL and FIL where charging everything CCs and eventually in 2002 filed for bankrupt. Most of my staff was cut, but I kept on going. DW and I held our paychecks so most of our staff could get paid. We wound up charging a lot as well because we just had our first DD in 2000 and where PG with our second and just needed to get food. We eventually learned out lesson, and we are still digging our way out but things have turned around for us. Any who this is when DW decided she didn't want the business the first time. It was very stressfull time and everyone was yelling at eachother. I also went looking for a job found one for 55000 compared to the 35000 I was making, the other job looked real good. You might say I thought programmers make a lot, well they can and they do. When you are a part of a family business sometimes you are the last to get raises to get the talent you need to be successfull. I turned down the job offer because in the interviews I realized that if I was going to leave I had to leave the job on positive note and get my dept back to where it needed to be.

Things turned around when the company finally hired coach. DW wanted the business back and my dept was back up to full steam. That was until summer of last year. BIL's son started having emotional issues and had a hard time controlling his temper. He got kicked out of camp for most of the summer BIL would just leave to take care of him. I understand that and they tried to get him help. Then BIL started to bring him into work. He kept running up and down the halls screaming and hitting people. We kept tell BIL to get more help for him but they didn't want to admit he has problems. He is only 7 but I worry about him when he gets a little older. Finally it was school time with in a month he got kicked out of school for the symester. Of course BIL kept bringing him in. DW was getting really POed with this, but MIL and FIL still would not step in. My dept was complaining as well. Eventually BIL got the hint and kept him at home. This is the part where the SHTF, MIL and FIL let BIL stay at home with the kid for 2 months with pay and not even deduction of vaction days. If my kids our sick one of us has to take at least a sick day.

Through this DW has said she won't take a bit of the business if she has to share the responsibility with BIL. I totally understand. My father has heard me, the other one in our family that owns a business, can't believe how the unfairness is. If DW does not want to have this business I don't want to be apart of it. The problem is that the software is like my children, and I am about to undertake a major project. I have worked to hard at this job to let things just go, but I think I need to just to make a stand. Granted now with 8 yrs of experience and DBA experience I am about 75000 dollar programmer in this area. Although right now I only make 40000 because I am not in this for money but more for the fun of programming.

Sorry this got long winded and I am also sorry for the spelling errors it is getting late.

Paul
 
I would move on to something new...sounds like nothing good can come from sticking around, especially if you want to keep a relationship with MIL and FIL.

I know it is hard to let go...but you will create more "children" that you love just as much!

It is hard when you have invested so much of yourself into the company...but this happens to people that get layed off too. It might be nice to try something new...try to be positive!

I'm sorry this happened to you...is sounds REALLY unfair.
 
So sad to hear. Often that is the way it is in a family business. I think it is time to move on also. Your BIL will not change if his family enables him to continue like this. Your wife will only have trouble if they inherit the business. The problem hasn't gotten better, only worse. Maybe someone else will have suggestions. I would think your ILs would take a stand for their company's sake (they can't feel good about their son runnnig this business, can they??). Good luck. Sounds like you have done all you can for this situation and nothing is going to change anytime soon.
 
I'm a programmer by trade too. Been doing it almost 15 years now. I totally can agree with you about projects that you take on that are 'Yours' - ones that you can feel proud of and that really help people. I wrote a health management system for diabetes for a major insurer 12 years ago - this was really the driving force behind a lot of management systems that most insurance companies provide now. I almost consider the whole push towards health management something that I helped show could work and have awesome outcomes. But I digress.

You have a DUTY. It's not to your goverment, it's not to your friends, it's not to your company - it's to your Family - your wife and kids. You need to worry about providing for THEM, nothing more. Most of your post is really all 'extra stuff' relating to the nepotism that is rampant at the company you are at now. I understand that it's the 'family' company - but it's your JOB. If you are not happy with your job and your wife is not happy with your job, it's time to find another one.

Yes, it will be hard to leave the 'family' but they will get over it. You will get a 'big project' at your next place of employment. You can do things you can be proud of at other places too. If the family business is a good one, it will certainly survive without you and you don't have to deal with the infamily favoritism.

Good luck!
 

Paul, I totally understand where you are coming from. I too, work for my families business. I think people who do this have a loyality issue with the family, so it's harder for us to make a change. I don't see anything changing in your company. You are worth more then you are making. Don't short change yourself or your family....find that other job and be proud of your accomplishment. It will ease a lot of tension, I'm sure. It will also be nice for your accomplishments to be acknowledged in a positive way. Good luck.
 
I agree with JFulcer - even though it is family - it is a job. If they had to let you go, they would. Your first and foremost should be YOUR family; your wife and children. Sure you've worked hard, now let that hard work pay off for you. Find another suitable job and I think you will be happier. And heck, if you double your pay - maybe your wife can stay home!
 
Your family comes first. I would get a different job and not look back. I love my family but business is business. Sounds as if you have toiled and put up with a ton of BS to last a lifetime.
 
The Mystery Machine said:
Your family comes first. I would get a different job and not look back. I love my family but business is business. Sounds as if you have toiled and put up with a ton of BS to last a lifetime.


Well said.
Although change of any kind is often hard. Good luck.
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Sorry again for the rant last night. I must have been tired last night looking back at what I wrote. That was kind of the advise I needed to hear. My DW has told me that she will support me in what I do so that is the first step. Since I have a job though I am going to hold out until I find one that I see fit. I am not just going to pick the first one that comes around, but I know you are right to leave and find something the suits me better. I knew that before I even wrote the advise column, but sometimes you need to hear it from other people.

Paul
 
Paul,

I really do understand how developing big projects like this are like 'your baby'. ;)

However, nepotism, etc.. aside. There is a one HUGE reason that you should definately seek other opportunities. Like you have described, businesses and projects like this blow with the winds... One minute, prosperity galore, the next minute, you are holding your paychecks....

Well, in this type of situation, it might be a mistake for you and your wife to have all your eggs in that one basket. Because, when that one basket tips one way or the other, all complete support for your family is at stake.

And, let's face it, with your BIL, he is not the most 'steady' person for both you and your wife to have your future hinge upon.

Seek other opportunities now, before things go really sour, and you loose your excellent references and reputation.

Think positive, and don't look back!!! :goodvibes
 


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