NBC should be ashamed

[Teejay32]

They're not defending thier country, they are fighting thier country. The "resistance" is a quaint term used to disguise the fact that most of the victims of these Iraqis are other Iraqis. At least know who you're being apologists for.

 

[BuckNaked]

Originally posted by Teejay32
They're not defending thier country, they are fighting thier country. The "resistance" is a quaint term used to disguise the fact that most of the victims of these Iraqis are other Iraqis. At least know who you're being apologists for.

 

[Mickey_loves_Minnie]

I tend to agree with both sides on this issue.

Let me just state some facts.

The Iraqi in question actually should not have been in the mosque when the marine shot him. He was in the mosque the day before -- shooting at the marines -- and was wounded during fighting. He was supposed to have been taken away by our troops to get medical help, along with 3-4 other Iraqi insurgents. He was not. So the next day, the marines return to the mosque and the men are still there. Meanwhile, other troops are encountering b00by-trapped bodies of Iraqis. One marine was killed and several others were injured by a b00by-trapped corpse.

Can you blame the Iraqi? He's fighting for his country against what he sees as the infidel, the invaders. I can't really blame him, knowing the anti-American, anti-Western sentiment many Iraqis already had before the invasion. Do I agree with his actions? No, absolutely not. But I can understand what the insurgents are trying to do.

Can you blame the marine? I can't. Who knows what he was feeling up to the point that he shot an unarmed, injured Iraqi. Do I agree with shooting an unarmed and wounded POW that wasn't posing a threat? No, but in the midst of war's chaos, with bodies rigged with bombs, I can understand why it happened.

War is hell. Period.

 

[Paradise]

Originally posted by jenfur
I thinks its a disgrace! I mean the Iraqi people are already being bombarded by anti-American propaganda and now NBC is going to get in on the job. Though I do notice Al-Jazerra won' broacast the execution of the Female aid worker- I guess it make the insurgents look like the spineless cowards they are. They can't fight the US forces fairly- so the kidnap unarmed people, including people there to help and execute them while they are bound and surrounded by other insurgents. Where's the outrage over THIS? Its terrible to kill a murderer who will kill himself to take a Marine with him, but its okay to behead civilians!

Why do you think that they would want to fight our forces fairly? Put yourself in their shoes. You are fighting the #1 military, so it is 1 in a million that you would win. What's left is to cheat, spit and hit and run.

 

[BuckNaked]

Originally posted by Paradise
What's left is to cheat, spit and hit and run.

Then they shouldn't be surprised when we hit back.

 

[beattyfamily]

Originally posted by Mickey_loves_Minnie
I tend to agree with both sides on this issue.

Let me just state some facts.

The Iraqi in question actually should not have been in the mosque when the marine shot him. He was in the mosque the day before -- shooting at the marines -- and was wounded during fighting. He was supposed to have been taken away by our troops to get medical help, along with 3-4 other Iraqi insurgents. He was not. So the next day, the marines return to the mosque and the men are still there. Meanwhile, other troops are encountering b00by-trapped bodies of Iraqis. One marine was killed and several others were injured by a b00by-trapped corpse.

Can you blame the Iraqi? He's fighting for his country against what he sees as the infidel, the invaders. I can't really blame him, knowing the anti-American, anti-Western sentiment many Iraqis already had before the invasion. Do I agree with his actions? No, absolutely not. But I can understand what the insurgents are trying to do.

Can you blame the marine? I can't. Who knows what he was feeling up to the point that he shot an unarmed, injured Iraqi. Do I agree with shooting an unarmed and wounded POW that wasn't posing a threat? No, but in the midst of war's chaos, with bodies rigged with bombs, I can understand why it happened.

War is hell. Period.

We do not know he was an Iraqi!!! The head of all the beheadings is a Jordanian.

FYI... it was NOT the same group of marines that went to that mosque and encountered the wounded and dead Insergents. It was a new set of soldiers.

 

[TnKrBeLlA012]

Originally posted by LoraJ
Tinkerbella,
Don't tell me where to go. I am not fighting material. You don't want me there.
And you are also assuming this guy is a terrorist.

I'm not defending anyone, I don't have all the facts. You don't have all the facts either, yet you are making lots of assumptions.

Sorry, if I was fighting in that country I think I would see all the facts I needed. Beheadings, aide workers killed, slaughter houses,ect....I would also make no assumptions,just facts. All men fighting in Fallujah are not there to make my stay comfortable. They want me dead. That is a fact. I believe this even as I sit in my comfortable chair typing it.

 

[DawnCt1]

I haven't read every post in this thread, but has it been mentioned that the day before this particular incident, the soldier in question was shot in the face and had just returned to battle? I think that is significant. Has it been mentioned that the terrorists are ****y trapping the wounded and bodies so when a soldier approaches, they are blown up? I think that is significant. Has anyone mentioned that this particular soldier lost some of his comrades in arms from his unit within 48 hours to this incident? I think that is significant. These young men have a nano second to make the correct decision between life and death. I would err on the side of caution, meaning, I think he made the right decision. I think that will be born out in the investigation. What I find appalling is Chris Matthew's obsession in dealing with this; On Hard Ball the other night; "They aren't the bad guys but people with a different opinion". Now that takes the cake and NBC should be ashamed of that!

 

[Paradise]

Originally posted by dmadman43
Tell me,chad, what happened leading up to what you saw on the video? What did the soldier see that we didn't see on the video? Are you suggesting the video tells the complete story? How do we know, FOR A FACT, that the terrorist was unarmed?

Is this ridiculous. We call everybody who are against us or don't like us terrorists. This administration(Education Secretary Paige) even called our teachers terrorists because they refuse to agree with him.

The word 'terrorists' is being use often and as frivolously as the words 'anti-semetic' and 'racist.'

 

[mrsltg]

Who knows what he was feeling up to the point that he shot an unarmed, injured Iraqi. Do I agree with shooting an unarmed and wounded POW that wasn't posing a threat? No, but in the midst of war's chaos, with bodies rigged with bombs, I can understand why it happened.

Understanding and justifying are two totally seperate issues. I understand that he was in a stressful situation, completely jacked up on adreniline. I also understand that we are standard bearers for decency. The stress of war does not excuse massacre. I have no doubt that this Marine was terrified, that doesn't mean he gets to kill people unchecked. I, too, will be interested to see where this case goes. I do believe that the military should conduct a thorough investigation of the events and if this Marine is guilty of murder, or some lesser crime, he should be punished.

I also do not understand the idea that the news media should hold back on information like this. The media is in existence to keep things transparent. Good for NBC for doing so.

Erin

 

[Laurajean1014]

The woman whom was beheaded was a sympathizer to the anti-war establishment. And the insurrgents beheaded her.

Does that suggest that insurrgents do not want peace?

It does not appear that they are greatful for her efforts, loyalty, etc. They killed her; video taped it and sent it to the media for mass exposure.

What do you suggest the insurrgents are doing?

How can this be explained?

 

[Teejay32]

Originally posted by DawnCt1
What I find appalling is Chris Matthew's obsession in dealing with this; On Hard Ball the other night; "They aren't the bad guys but people with a different opinion". Now that takes the cake and NBC should be ashamed of that!

...?

Is there a transcript?

 

[beattyfamily]

Originally posted by DawnCt1
I haven't read every post in this thread, but has it been mentioned that the day before this particular incident, the soldier in question was shot in the face and had just returned to battle? I think that is significant. Has it been mentioned that the terrorists are ****y trapping the wounded and bodies so when a soldier approaches, they are blown up? I think that is significant. Has anyone mentioned that this particular soldier lost some of his comrades in arms from his unit within 48 hours to this incident? I think that is significant. These young men have a nano second to make the correct decision between life and death. I would err on the side of caution, meaning, I think he made the right decision. I think that will be born out in the investigation. What I find appalling is Chris Matthew's obsession in dealing with this; On Hard Ball the other night; "They aren't the bad guys but people with a different opinion". Now that takes the cake and NBC should be ashamed of that!

Yes, it was mentioned but doesn't seem to matter to those who want to condemn the soldier and feel sorry for the Insurgents most of whom aren't even Iraqis themselves and are killing fellow Arab and Muslim men eveyr single day...I just read that 31 Iraqi soldiers have been kidnapped near Jordan.

Remember when 50 Iraqi soldiers where killed? How is that defending your country?? All the car bombings at Iraqi police headquarters, how is that defending your country??

This thread is sickening to me.

 

[mrsltg]

All men fighting in Fallujah are not there to make my stay comfortable. They want me dead

And this man had been neutralized. And yes, shooting someone in the head four times and close range is overkill. Besides, with all of those bullet holes how can he be successfully stuffed and mounted on the wall???

Erin

 

[Laurajean1014]

With Chris Mathews speaking the only transcript is him spitting all over the set! Get that man a towel or a tranquilizer.

 

[DawnCt1]

Originally posted by Teejay32
...?

Is there a transcript?

I don't know Teejay, but I was stunned when I heard it. It was in his rapid fire monolog, questions to his guests.

 

[Mickey_loves_Minnie]

Originally posted by beattyfamily
We do not know he was an Iraqi!!! The head of all the beheadings is a Jordanian.

FYI... it was NOT the same group of marines that went to that mosque and encountered the wounded and dead Insergents. It was a new set of soldiers.

We don't know that it wasn't an Iraqi, either. And Zarqawi isn't in Fallujah. He hasn't been for some time, evidently.

And I didn't say that the same group of marines went into the mosque, I just said marines. Try reading my post before you get angry.

There are Iraqis on both sides of this issue, too. They can't condone an Iraqi insurgent using a mosque as a military fortress, and neither can they condone a marine shooting a helpless man.

 

[BuckNaked]

MATTHEWS: Well, let me ask you about this. If this were the other side, and we were watching an enemy soldier, a rival—I mean, they‘re not bad guys, especially—just people that disagree with it. They‘re in fact the insurgents fighting us in their country.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6502100/

 

[Laurajean1014]

Originall posted by beattyfamily

Yes, it was mentioned but doesn't seem to matter to those who want to condemn the soldier and feel sorry for the Insurgents most of whom aren't even Iraqis themselves and are killing fellow Arab and Muslim men eveyr single day...I just read that 31 Iraqi soldiers have been kidnapped near Jordan.

Can you please explain what you position is?

 

[Mickey_loves_Minnie]

Originally posted by mrsltg
Understanding and justifying are two totally seperate issues. I understand that he was in a stressful situation, completely jacked up on adreniline. I also understand that we are standard bearers for decency. The stress of war does not excuse massacre. I have no doubt that this Marine was terrified, that doesn't mean he gets to kill people unchecked. I, too, will be interested to see where this case goes. I do believe that the military should conduct a thorough investigation of the events and if this Marine is guilty of murder, or some lesser crime, he should be punished.

I also do not understand the idea that the news media should hold back on information like this. The media is in existence to keep things transparent. Good for NBC for doing so.

Erin

I'm not justifying the marine's nor the insurgent's actions. I merely understand the motivations.