Napkins at WDW

I always love to look at threads - the first post - then the last poster at the time and see where it went to. This one started with Disney napkins and is now at fireworks :confused3 I didn't read between, no telling what is in the 11 pages :rotfl2: Have no idea how this one happened :idea:
 
I always love to look at threads - the first post - then the last poster at the time and see where it went to. This one started with Disney napkins and is now at fireworks :confused3 I didn't read between, no telling what is in the 11 pages :rotfl2: Have no idea how this one happened :idea:

It is like the game you use to play as a kid. You tell the first person a story and then they pass it down the line. It never gets to the end of the line the same as it started. These types of threads have a life of their own.

You can see Illuminations from part of BLT, from a distance, maybe it was that show with the holiday "tag."
I don't think the fireworks were from EPCOT. We like to stay on the back side (opposite from the CR) of the building. Who knows where they come from, there are so many large independent resorts in that area. I think this Christmas i will bring my telescope and see if i can see any of the buildings in that area. My curiosity is peaked. :)
 
You're absolutely right. I do keep the extra napkins I get at fast food restaurants in my car (although that is extremely rare.) We've never had a left over napkin at WDW because we take one per person and they all get used because my kids are messy. :) I'm just really big on not taking more than we need of any sort of complimentary item.

You are much more patient than I am....with 5 kids and usually 3 to 4 trays of food at Counter Service meals, we grab napkins and try to judge how many we get but we definitely don't sit there and count/separate 1 per person, especially at the CS restaurants that have them just stacked up, and not in the dispensers. So we do end up with extras......usually not a ton.....I think we had 10-20 left over last year after 9 days....so that equates to around 2+/- a day LOL We had a few spills here and there, and we used one at the parade for a sudden nose bleed that used up all my travel kleenex. We also used some to put under a shirt stain while I used my Tide pen on it....since I only had wet wipes.

It's never out intention to 'rip off' any complimentary items....but we also have never just thrown away perfectly clean napkins....and if left on the table we know the CM would just trash them too. Will it kill our next vacation when we don't have brown napkins with blue Disney stuff all over it....no. But it was a neat little extra we always enjoyed, especially if I had a few leftover when we got home that we used for special snacks...etc.

We still have our mugs....we can just drink out of those every day and make some Mickey shaped waffles LOL
 

A napkin without a logo will wipe your face but it loses a little whimsy. How many here find a napkin or 2 in their luggage sometime in the future & smile. Wonder how many smiles lead to new trip planning.
Oh yes there is never enough profits for bean counters. Sometimes the bean counters cut out the uniqueness of a product causing its demise.
The next step on napkins will probably to cut out the dispensers and just give you 1 or 2 with your meal. Yes they have to make money or they will close. :sad2:
 
I haven't read through all the pages so this may have been mentioned, but when we were there in June we went to Sci-fi and they used to have really nice themed napkins, now they are just plain white. I have to say that I miss the little touches like that, that set Disney apart.
 
~Wow!!! This, again? I only read the first post, but I believe the napkin changeover is part of Disney's "Green Initiative", which addresses environmental concerns. Disney is also a partner in the "Green Lodging" initiative, so getting rid of the "totally cute" napkins may have been a requirement of that program.

~I'm not sure, but it looks like Disney changed their "paper source", sometime last summer. Here is a statement Disney released urging their vendors to seek alternative sources for paper product(s), citing the destruction of Indonesian rain forests.

"The Walt Disney Company asks licensees, vendors and suppliers to avoid use of papers associated with rainforest destruction in Indonesia." ---> LINK

~Hang in there, paper product lovers! Disney may have another cute "eco-friendly" napkin in the works!
:goodvibes
 
It seems so silly to me but hearing this kinda made me a little sad. Obviously not a big deal in the big scheme of things but we always make it a point to save any extra clean napkins after our meals instead of tossing them and stick them in our bag for later. I love when I find one at home...it really is those little things that add up to be big things.

It is kinda funny that I am seeing this thread for the first time now because just the other day I found 2-3 of them in a drawer in my pantry and my friend was here (who we are going with in Sept.) and I said, "oh look 2 more months and you get your first mickey napkins!". Not anymore apparently!
 
We are talking about napkins right? Disney probably put this in place after John Carter bombed at the box office.
 
...I loved the little touches, like the small pats of butter shaped like Mickey Mouse at every restaurant and the orange juice that was fresh squeezed (that morning) from Florida oranges at every breakfast.

Those things have been slipping away for years, and I miss them, each and every one of them. Maybe everyone does not notice the little details, but I do! And for me, that is where quality is found. It is in those details. ...

You and I notice the little things slipping away, and yes, they are missed.
However, for the new guests, they never knew about these, except by hearsay, and they won't miss them.

But -- a few years down the road, they may visit again, and will notice that 'something has gone missing'.

Napkins may be a small thing, but too many small things add up to a big disappointment when remembering the 'way things were' - when a Disney trip was special, not just 'that place we go on vacation'

I admit to taking a few extra from time to time, and the ones not used to wipe something during our stay ended up in a place of remembrance - scrapbook, photo album, shadow box -- right along with the cocktail stirrers, matchbooks, golf pencils and memo pads ;)
 
To me, Disney going green is more important than getting cute napkins. If thats the reason they changed to the plain ones, i fully support them.
 
I will join you in celebrating the positive. I love Hollywood Studios and the Animal Kingdom. Neither of those parks existed in 1984, and today, both of them thrill me.

But more than just small things are gone.

As a child, I went to Walt Disney World just about every other year from 1976-1992. Then, I did not go to Disney again until 2002. In those 10 years, between 1992 and 2002, important things were lost from my Walt Disney World experience.

The one that was the MOST shocking to me was that in 2002, all of a sudden, it seemed that at the end of every attraction, guests were spit out into a gift shop. Disney never did that in the 1980s. It turned the park experience into something crass and commercial to me. Maybe it was done gradually over those 10 years, and most guests did not even notice the difference, but I sure did.

With a gift shop at the end of every attraction, it became blatantly obvious that Disney World was putting profit ahead of guest experience. I like a subtle approach better. That kind of in-your-face materialism is offensive to me. I am able to put blinders on to it today, but I do miss the old feel of the Magic Kingdom.

Another loss, for me, is the increase in crowd levels. In the 1980s, all of my family vacations were from June 26th to July 5th. Even on the Fourth of July, Disney never felt too crowded. Of course, there were crowds, especially for the parades and fireworks, but nothing like the crowds that exist now.

In December 2008, I was nearly trampled, in a bottle neck in front of the Crystal Palace, while trying to navigate a stroller out of the park before the fireworks began.

That sounds extreme, but it's actually pretty accurate. People were stuck and no one wanted to back up. One side of the crowd was yelling at the other side to move, and neither side was willing to budge. I didn't care which way we went, as long as I eventually got my four year old safely out of the park.

I was standing on the bridge near the Crystal Palace, and I could hear a child crying that she had to go potty. Several young adult males started shouting obscenities at the crowd to move. I was backed up against the guard rail on the bridge so tight that I was afraid I was going to go over it. A middle aged woman stepped into my daughter's stroller without asking permission and started climbing on top of people to get out. It was insanity. And I really believe it was negligence on Disney's part to allow that situation to occur.

My third example combines the commercialism with the crowds, MNSSHP and MVMCP. You would think those two events would be welcome additions to the Disney experience.

Well, I was about two hours into my first MVMCP when I realized what Disney had done. Although I had paid for park admission that day, they had closed the park several hours early and coaxed me into paying for park admission a SECOND time that day. Then, they said there would be free hot chocolate and cookies (watered down and hard-as-a-rock) and SNOW (some kind of strange soap flakes, that I was scared to inhale, falling on one small section of Main Street).

But of course, none of that mattered, because there was limited admission, and we had special tickets--NOT! The Magic Kingdom was more crowded that evening than it had been all day. It was standing room only at the special shows, and tall people with hats on stood in front of me. My four year old couldn't see a thing. The character meets had lines a mile long. The rides had lines a mile long. The whole experience was one big bust, and I was fool hardy enough to pay double the cost of admission for all of us.

And then, along with the over-the-top commercialism and crowd levels, it also seems that the customer service has slipped at Disney. Some cast members are as wonderful as ever, but a noticeable number do not make eye contact or greet guests. It's not their fault. The customer service training is not the same as it was in the 1980s. I do not believe the cast members are treated as well by Disney as they once were either.

I do hope that cast members are treated well, because they deserve the very best Disney has to offer.

Finally, I feel that Disney continues to make cutbacks that detract from the guest experience (closing Pleasure Island, cuts to the monorail schedule, even Fantasmic was cut to two nights per weeks for a while, although park attendance was strong). Another area with significant cutbacks has been the dining plan. First, they took away the gratuity and appetizer, and now, they are taking away the second snack on the quick service plan. Did they really need to do that? Not to mention that dining plan in general has caused many of the restaurants to no longer offer some of the more unique and special dishes, and food quality has suffered.

Other details that I miss have been discussed here ad infinitum (i.e. resort specific merchandise, Mickey shaped pats of butter, and logo napkins), but suffice it to say that there have been noticeable losses that negatively impact my experience as a guest, and no, bigger and better theme parks do not, necessarily, make up for those losses.
~Wow! I totally agree! :worship: ~This is such a wonderful, thoughtful, and well written post, it's one of the best I've ever read. I just had to find your post, luckily I only had to go back one page, lol. :goodvibes

But I will go with what is and appreciate what Disney has to offer. It's still my favorite place to vacation and I DO appreciate the new attractions and look forward to the future fantasyland expansion.
~Again, I couldn't agree more! I was so disappointed with a lot of the changes over the years, and I am sure there is more to come, lol. But, I had to lower my expectations and focus on the good things. Now, I am excited about my upcoming trip and like you, I'm looking forward to the new attractions! :goodvibes

:thumbsup2 I've read several of your posts this evening, and you say things in a friendly way. Thanks for giving me a smile :goodvibes
~Awww, thank you so much for your kind words! I really enjoy reading your posts and insights, too. :hug:

~There is so much uncertainty right now with all of the changes. It can be frustrating not fully knowing what direction Disney is headed in, but I really believe things will work out well.
:goodvibes
 
OlliedannieandMe has been spot on with every post.

For all the naysayers dismissing the issue as just a napkin, who notices? It is NOT about the napkins. It's about the costcutting. Like a PP said, you don't notice each little thing mssing until one day you examine the whole picture and say, "Whoa, when did this happen?" All of a sudden you are paying a boatload of money for what?

BTW, a company such as Disney does not change the napkins because of a "green initiative." They change the napkins because it is a costsaver, then they spin it towards green so they a) don't get criticized for cutting and b) so the public is convinced they are an environmentally conscious corporation or whatever they want to present themselves as. It is a win-win for TDC and obviously the marketing works because PP have defended Disney's position with that argument and others have stated that if that is the reason they did it then they will support them. It is rare that you would find TDC or any other global corporation making a change if it would cost them money.
 
To me, Disney going green is more important than getting cute napkins. If thats the reason they changed to the plain ones, i fully support them.
OMG, that is not the reason, lol. They did it to save money.

Do you have any idea how un-green WDW is?! I don't know what the opposite of green is...orange? Whatever it is, that is WDW.
:rotfl:
 
I just want to say to all the DISers who contributed...

Thanks for some of the best 12 pages I've read in a while...;)
 












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