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[SaharanTea]

IPhone, people. IPhone.

iPhone has the same issue with MDE. The older, more affordable iPhones aren't compatible with their old operating systems. You've got to be on 9 for MDE.

It is what it is, but Disney was more forgiving last year.

 

[JerseyJanice]

I have IPhone 6. MDE works fine on it.

 

[SaharanTea]

I have IPhone 6. MDE works fine on it.

6S ships with iOS 9. Regular 6 does not, but it might still get an update to push it into compatibility.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I wasn't talking about being locked to a carrier. I mean the carriers disallow updates to the OS. It does make some sense because new OS's aren't designed for old hardware, but one or two steps ahead would likely be ok.

As for pushing updates, I have an S4, and it's stuck at 4.2, which is, I think, jelly bean. The S5 is even relegated to an OS before MDE's requirements, unless it's allowed an update after purchase.

I'm not sure about phones, but I checked statistics on android OS's in use a few months back. I think you might be surprised how far behind the latest OS most people are. Besides, the S4 is still being sold as a new phone. They are much cheaper than a $700+ S8.

Uh..yeah but you can still get flip phones as new phones too....that doesn't mean the technology isn't old.

Now when I got my S6 edge I was under the old Sprint way where you renew your 2 year contract and you got $X off the phone instead of the new way of buying outright or paying monthly for the phone. I actually could have gotten the S6 for $0 but I chose the S6 edge for $50. Of course they don't do that anymore but still.

 

[mom2rtk]

IPhone, people. IPhone.

I don't think the older iphones are supported either.

 

[mom2rtk]

Uh..yeah but you can still get flip phones as new phones too....that doesn't mean the technology isn't old.

Now when I got my S6 edge I was under the old Sprint way where you renew your 2 year contract and you got $X off the phone instead of the new way of buying outright or paying monthly for the phone. I actually could have gotten the S6 for $0 but I chose the S6 edge for $50. Of course they don't do that anymore but still.

Tmobile is a pretty major carrier and in the six years we have been with them they have never offered free upgrades to anything cutting edge.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Tmobile is a pretty major carrier and in the six years we have been with them they have never offered free upgrades to anything cutting edge.

I'm sorry? I'm not sure what else to say on that. Since Sprint has gone away with that (like many other providers) I don't have a clue what it'll be when I next decide to upgrade and usually I upgrade at the 2 year mark or a few months after the 2 year mark.

A free upgrade wasn't always available just depended on what was going on. When I bought my S4 it was a Black Friday deal and I think I spent $50 for it.

My husband has Verizon and has had similarish deals as I have. Actually my husband got his S6 edge before I did and his deal was $50.

As far as cutting edge...when I bought my phone the S6 edge had been released for over 7 months and it was with the knowledge that the S7 would be releasing somewhat soon. I bought my S6 edge in the middle of November of 2015 and the S7 was released March 11, 2016..that's about 4 months later that a new Galaxy phone version was out making my S6 edge already old news.

ETA: I should note that my original 24month upgrade would have been July 2015 but I was content with the S4....until I heard that by the end of 2015 Sprint would be ending the whole rebate with a 2 year renewal/new contract so I bit the bullet and got an upgrade in November of 2015.

 

[FelisLachesis]

I wasn't talking about being locked to a carrier. I mean the carriers disallow updates to the OS. It does make some sense because new OS's aren't designed for old hardware, but one or two steps ahead would likely be ok.

As for pushing updates, I have an S4, and it's stuck at 4.2, which is, I think, jelly bean. The S5 is even relegated to an OS before MDE's requirements, unless it's allowed an update after purchase.

I'm not sure about phones, but I checked statistics on android OS's in use a few months back. I think you might be surprised how far behind the latest OS most people are. Besides, the S4 is still being sold as a new phone. They are much cheaper than a $700+ S8.

That's strange, as Samsung did allow Over The Air (OTA) updates for the Galaxy S4 to Lollipop. Maybe checking the phone settings, and doing a system update might do the trick. Then again, the update was so long ago, I wouldn't be surprised if all the carriers have since removed the update from their servers. Android phones, now, should be getting an update from their carrier every month. Most of these updates are just bug fixes and security patches, which a minor version upgrade 6 months in, and a major version upgrade 6 months later.

Now, some carriers, especially Verizon, are notorious for being slow with the updates. They'll get there, but it might take longer.

Doing some research, I will admit, I am wrong about the versions of Android being used out there! According to fossbytes.com, the latest stats they have are for April 2017, and according to them, 31.9% of all Android phones still in use can't actually run MDE! That's the share of phones that are running KitKat or earlier. Wow, color me stumped. That's a fairly large group of people that can't run this program.

https://fossbytes.com/most-popular-android-versions-always-updated/

iOS isn't that fragmented, not even close. 93.7% of the iOS devices currently in use on one website (as of midnight this morning) can run MDE. Looking at just iPhones, and that number jumps to 96.8%. So only 3.2% of the iPhones in use can't run MDE.

https://david-smith.org/iosversionstats/

 

[SaharanTea]

Uh..yeah but you can still get flip phones as new phones too....that doesn't mean the technology isn't old.

Now when I got my S6 edge I was under the old Sprint way where you renew your 2 year contract and you got $X off the phone instead of the new way of buying outright or paying monthly for the phone. I actually could have gotten the S6 for $0 but I chose the S6 edge for $50. Of course they don't do that anymore but still.

I know it's old tech. I was just saying people still buy it because it's cheaper, and that means the old software (OS ) is still around because of it.

I'm looking to upgrade, but I'd like to spend less than $400 to do so.

 

[SaharanTea]

That's strange, as Samsung did allow Over The Air (OTA) updates for the Galaxy S4 to Lollipop. Maybe checking the phone settings, and doing a system update might do the trick. Then again, the update was so long ago, I wouldn't be surprised if all the carriers have since removed the update from their servers. Android phones, now, should be getting an update from their carrier every month. Most of these updates are just bug fixes and security patches, which a minor version upgrade 6 months in, and a major version upgrade 6 months later.

Now, some carriers, especially Verizon, are notorious for being slow with the updates. They'll get there, but it might take longer.

Doing some research, I will admit, I am wrong about the versions of Android being used out there! According to fossbytes.com, the latest stats they have are for April 2017, and according to them, 31.9% of all Android phones still in use can't actually run MDE! That's the share of phones that are running KitKat or earlier. Wow, color me stumped. That's a fairly large group of people that can't run this program.

https://fossbytes.com/most-popular-android-versions-always-updated/

iOS isn't that fragmented, not even close. 93.7% of the iOS devices currently in use on one website (as of midnight this morning) can run MDE. Looking at just iPhones, and that number jumps to 96.8%. So only 3.2% of the iPhones in use can't run MDE.

https://david-smith.org/iosversionstats/

I haven't looked at this in great detail, but that's interesting.

Can I get an iPhone 6 (not 6S), and upgrade to 9.0 or better?

They ship with something les than 9.0, but I assumed they were locked down there with the rest of the older models.

 

[FelisLachesis]

I haven't looked at this in great detail, but that's interesting.

Can I get an iPhone 6 (not 6S), and upgrade to 9.0 or better?

They ship with something les than 9.0, but I assumed they were locked down there with the rest of the older models.

The iPhone 6 was shipped with iOS 8.0, but is upgradeable to 10.3.2, which is the latest version of iOS. It can be upgraded by plugging your phone into your computer, and running iTunes, or, if you have an Apple Store nearby, just going in and asking them to upgrade it.

The only time a phone stops getting upgrades is when the phone manufacturer decides it's time to stop. Maybe the hardware is too old and can't handle the new software, or they just want to toss the phone aside, and work on other stuff.

The iPhone 5 and 5s can also be upgraded to 10.3.2

The iPhone 4s can only go to 9.3.5. Here, Apple said that the 4s just can't handle iOS 10, and stopped it there.

One thing I want to ask you: why do you presume that phones are stuck with whatever software is on them at purchase? Every phone I've owned, from the original Motorola Droid up to my current Pixel, and my 3 iPads, have all seen operating system updates since I've owned them.

 

[SaharanTea]

The iPhone 6 was shipped with iOS 8.0, but is upgradeable to 10.3.2, which is the latest version of iOS. It can be upgraded by plugging your phone into your computer, and running iTunes, or, if you have an Apple Store nearby, just going in and asking them to upgrade it.

The only time a phone stops getting upgrades is when the phone manufacturer decides it's time to stop. Maybe the hardware is too old and can't handle the new software, or they just want to toss the phone aside, and work on other stuff.

The iPhone 5 and 5s can also be upgraded to 10.3.2

The iPhone 4s can only go to 9.3.5. Here, Apple said that the 4s just can't handle iOS 10, and stopped it there.

One thing I want to ask you: why do you presume that phones are stuck with whatever software is on them at purchase? Every phone I've owned, from the original Motorola Droid up to my current Pixel, and my 3 iPads, have all seen operating system updates since I've owned them.

Because every phone, tablet, whatever I've ever owned gets maybe one OS update, and that's usually it. That update is usually limited to maybe a 0.1 upgrade, sometimes you'll move up a 1.0. It actually makes sense to limit them after a certain point. Some updates I've gotten have actually made the device worse overall. The new software isn't optimized for the old hardware. And I'm actually only assuming that it won't get any update because I'm looking for a minimum level of OS. If I get a phone hoping it will be upgradable and it isn't, I'm out the money I put in and without the benefit I'm looking for.

If Apple--who is more controlling than Google--makes it so you can update their hardware, that would be beneficial for me in this case. I've owned Apple products in the past and they've stopped at a certain point as well.

I'm looking at unsubsidized phones so the only way to get a reasonable price is to have a device that's a generation or two old at least. This wasn't as big of a problem in conjunction with MDE until some months ago. Thus, the topic of the thread. Many, many apps don't have a problem servicing old operating systems. MDE for whatever reason decided they needed a substantial limit to their OS support.

 

[FelisLachesis]

Because every phone, tablet, whatever I've ever owned gets maybe one OS update, and that's usually it. That update is usually limited to maybe a 0.1 upgrade, sometimes you'll move up a 1.0. It actually makes sense to limit them after a certain point. Some updates I've gotten have actually made the device worse overall. The new software isn't optimized for the old hardware. And I'm actually only assuming that it won't get any update because I'm looking for a minimum level of OS. If I get a phone hoping it will be upgradable and it isn't, I'm out the money I put in and without the benefit I'm looking for.

If Apple--who is more controlling than Google--makes it so you can update their hardware, that would be beneficial for me in this case. I've owned Apple products in the past and they've stopped at a certain point as well.

I'm looking at unsubsidized phones so the only way to get a reasonable price is to have a device that's a generation or two old at least. This wasn't as big of a problem in conjunction with MDE until some months ago. Thus, the topic of the thread. Many, many apps don't have a problem servicing old operating systems. MDE for whatever reason decided they needed a substantial limit to their OS support.

That's fairly strange to be only getting one update throughout the life of a phone. That's something I would expect from an off-brand Android phone, but the Samsung Galaxy S line and iPhones are updated quite frequently until they hit end of life.

One thing you are correct about: it seems that to some phones, especially a phone over a year and a half old, that updates really affect their performance. What seemed like a zippy phone when first bought will seen really slow by that point. Planned obsolescence? I don't know.

 

[Marshel]

Samsung J7 series phone uses the same chassis and operating system as the S7 with a slightly slower processor, little less on board storage and RAM and are way cheaper and are quite adequate unless you have to have the latest and greatest. Also same camera and battery.

 

[SaharanTea]

That's fairly strange to be only getting one update throughout the life of a phone. That's something I would expect from an off-brand Android phone, but the Samsung Galaxy S line and iPhones are updated quite frequently until they hit end of life.

One thing you are correct about: it seems that to some phones, especially a phone over a year and a half old, that updates really affect their performance. What seemed like a zippy phone when first bought will seen really slow by that point. Planned obsolescence? I don't know.

I think I see why you might be confused by what I'm saying. I never get the latest generation. They are too expensive for me. I'm starting off at a generation or two back. That said, I do try to stick to the flagships. While I haven't owned an iPhone. I have had an iPod touch so that gave me a glimpse into iOS, but I'm guessing their update schedules were different as well.

Between me and my wife, we've had three Samsung Galaxy phones, but the S6 is still hard to get for under $400. I managed to get one for my wife for $250 around Black Friday time. I wish I'd upgraded myself, but my phone was doing fine, and it was before I even knew I'd need MDE this summer. I'm surprised they haven't come down since the S8 is now out.

 

[SaharanTea]

Samsung J7 series phone uses the same chassis and operating system as the S7 with a slightly slower processor, little less on board storage and RAM and are way cheaper and are quite adequate unless you have to have the latest and greatest. Also same camera and battery.

Other than OS, it seems to have slightly worse specs than my S4. The screen is a little bigger. I do appreciate the suggestion. Know anything about the STE Max Duo?

Also, apologies to the OP. I didn't mean to hijack the thread.

 

[mom2rtk]

I'm sorry? I'm not sure what else to say on that. Since Sprint has gone away with that (like many other providers) I don't have a clue what it'll be when I next decide to upgrade and usually I upgrade at the 2 year mark or a few months after the 2 year mark.

A free upgrade wasn't always available just depended on what was going on. When I bought my S4 it was a Black Friday deal and I think I spent $50 for it.

My husband has Verizon and has had similarish deals as I have. Actually my husband got his S6 edge before I did and his deal was $50.

As far as cutting edge...when I bought my phone the S6 edge had been released for over 7 months and it was with the knowledge that the S7 would be releasing somewhat soon. I bought my S6 edge in the middle of November of 2015 and the S7 was released March 11, 2016..that's about 4 months later that a new Galaxy phone version was out making my S6 edge already old news.

ETA: I should note that my original 24month upgrade would have been July 2015 but I was content with the S4....until I heard that by the end of 2015 Sprint would be ending the whole rebate with a 2 year renewal/new contract so I bit the bullet and got an upgrade in November of 2015.

No need to be sorry. I knew that when we signed up. But with 5 people on our plan, I needed to keep the monthly bill as low as possible. Tmobile does that.

My comment was only meant to add to the upgrade discussion brought up earlier from someone saying everyone gets upgrades every 2 years. No, they don't.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

No need to be sorry. I knew that when we signed up. But with 5 people on our plan, I needed to keep the monthly bill as low as possible. Tmobile does that.

My comment was only meant to add to the upgrade discussion brought up earlier from someone saying everyone gets upgrades every 2 years. No, they don't.

Ohhh Ok I gotcha.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I know it's old tech. I was just saying people still buy it because it's cheaper, and that means the old software (OS ) is still around because of it.

I'm looking to upgrade, but I'd like to spend less than $400 to do so.

That's true, my step-father-in-law just upgraded to a smartphone period. He's stuck with flip phones because there were all he needed. When it was time for an upgrade (which usually went to someone else so he upgraded a lot less often) he would just get another flip phone if he felt like it.

 

[DaisyJ]

The updated app cuts off the Galaxy series for everything prior to an S6. For Apple, it cuts off everything prior to iPhone 6S. It was a big jump and cut out quite a few phones. You'd think they'd take a more stepped approach. There are other cheaper Android phones with newer OS's, but their hardware is often not up to Galaxy standards. For Apple, there's nothing compatible that's cheap.

Personally, I thought it was a bit of a drastic deprecation.

I have an iphone 5s and the app works fine on my phone.