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I'm still not convinced on the RAB being Regulus. It just seems too simple. Hermione, after looking up the R.A.Bs didnt come up with that (and lets face it, if it was that simple, she would have found it , right?). She said something about it being Snape. So maybe its not initials per se of an individual, but possibly a group or club of some kind? Or even just a clue for a phrase of some type. I'm not sure what, just thinking here.
 
I'm still not convinced on the RAB being Regulus. It just seems too simple. Hermione, after looking up the R.A.Bs didnt come up with that (and lets face it, if it was that simple, she would have found it , right?). She said something about it being Snape. So maybe its not initials per se of an individual, but possibly a group or club of some kind? Or even just a clue for a phrase of some type. I'm not sure what, just thinking here.

Hermione was looking through books about famous/notable witches and wizards. Regulus was neither. Regulus has no reason to be mentioned in any of the books students might find in their school library.

If Hermione had taken a look at the Black family tree, I'm sure she would have noticed Regulus Alphard Black on there.

When Hermione brought up Snape, it was to tell Harry she had found out that Snape's mother was named Eileen Prince - making Snape the "half-blood Prince" after all. She never suggested that Snape was R.A.B.

If R.A.B is more than one person, why is the entire note written in the singular? "I want you to know that it was I who discovered your secret." "I will be long dead when you read this."

I've already addressed the "it's too simple" argument in two other posts, so I won't keep banging my head against that wall. I have a standing bet with anyone on this thread - a $25 Disney Store gift card if RAB is not Regulus.

So far I haven't had anyone put their money on the line though....
 
Sorry. I didnt realize we were just learning from you.

Very interesting thread. I'll just read from now on.
 

oh my god.......WHERE the heck have i been!? i missed this thread! lol.

just bought Mugglenet.com's "What Happens in Harry Potter 7" book. it's a great read, if you haven't gotten a chance to, i really recommend it.
 
I have started listening to the audiobooks again while I clean house (gosh my life is exciting) and I am still troubled by why the sorting hat "debated" putting HP in G or S. Maybe someone could offer an explanation on why the sorting hat was confused, if the scar is not a horcrux?

As far as deaths, I don't think I can handle it if any of the students die. I just don't think she will sacrifice HP because of all the children. I hoe she writes a DD biography next.

Sharon

i've always had this theory that Harry might go evil in the end, and surprise everyone. that's how i would actually like the book to end. although, it's a far stretch, i doubt it'll happen.

it does explain in the book how alike he and Voldemort were, so i'm wondering if maybe the hat was picking up on all of the similiarities between him and Voldy and that's why he got confused??

seriously, read Mugglenet.com's What Happens in HP 7 because there's a lot of good theroies in there that you might not have even thought of(there's a lot i didn't even think of!).
 
Sorry. I didnt realize we were just learning from you.

Very interesting thread. I'll just read from now on.

Oh snap!

Look, I was just giving you a counter argument based on what is actually written in the book. Sorry if you were offended by that.

I assumed you had read the other posts, and didn't think I should be boring by repeating myself a third time.

am still troubled by why the sorting hat "debated" putting HP in G or S. Maybe someone could offer an explanation on why the sorting hat was confused, if the scar is not a horcrux?

Dumbledore talks about this at the end of Chamber of Secrets. Harry does have some Slytherin qualities; intelligence, cunning, resourcefulness, a disregard for rules. But Harry wants to be good. The Sorting Hat put Harry where he wanted to be, were he aspired to be.

I think that is really what the Hat is designed to do - help the wearer discover who he or she really is. At this stage of his life, Harry is really confused as to who he is, and I think that's why the Hat takes so long with him.

It takes a lot of time with Neville too - and it would be interesting to know what they talked about!
 
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Hermione was looking through books about famous/notable witches and wizards. Regulus was neither. Regulus has no reason to be mentioned in any of the books students might find in their school library.

If Hermione had taken a look at the Black family tree, I'm sure she would have noticed Regulus Alphard Black on there.

When Hermione brought up Snape, it was to tell Harry she had found out that Snape's mother was named Eileen Prince - making Snape the "half-blood Prince" after all. She never suggested that Snape was R.A.B.

If R.A.B is more than one person, why is the entire note written in the singular? "I want you to know that it was I who discovered your secret." "I will be long dead when you read this."

I've already addressed the "it's too simple" argument in two other posts, so I won't keep banging my head against that wall. I have a standing bet with anyone on this thread - a $25 Disney Store gift card if RAB is not Regulus.

So far I haven't had anyone put their money on the line though....
Can't bet with you because I agree with you (and the logic behind it).
 
Oh snap!

Look, I was just giving you a counter argument based on what is actually written in the book. Sorry if you were offended by that.

I assumed you had read the other posts, and didn't think I should be boring by repeating myself a third time.



Dumbledore talks about this at the end of Chamber of Secrets. Harry does have some Slytherin qualities; intelligence, cunning, resourcefulness, a disregard for rules. But Harry wants to be good. The Sorting Hat put Harry where he wanted to be, were he aspired to be.

I think that is really what the Hat is designed to do - help the wearer discover who he or she really is. At this stage of his life, Harry is really confused as to who he is, and I think that's why the Hat takes so long with him.

It takes a lot of time with Neville too - and it would be interesting to know what they talked about!

it also wanted to put Hermione in another house too. was it Hufflepuff?? man, i feel like a bad Harry Potter fan, i should know these things.
 
It was Ravenclaw. I feel like a complete geek, that I do know that!

thank you! YOU feel like a geek!? I feel like a geek for NOT knowing that! lol. i've only read(most) of the books twice now, i guess i need to brush up AGAIN on my HP info.
 
I assumed you had read the other posts, and didn't think I should be boring by repeating myself a third time.
I am not offended, just confused. You seem frustrated that any other thoughts could be introduced. I was just thinking out loud really, trying to find something that hadnt been said already. I dont understand a discussion thread that doesnt accept that.

As far as the bet goes...why would anyone take that bet...its a sucker bet. Youve got the favorite and arent giving any points. Thats what we call a "dollar to a doughnut"
 
I think that the comment about HG being Ravensclaw was not made by the sorting hat. I just re-read pg 120 in the paperback version of SS and it states that she jammed it on her head and it yelled "G"; no pauses. In OOTP someone asks why she wasn't in Ravenclaw, perhaps she mentioned the sorting hat's ambivilence. (I will have to look that up.)

Sharon

i KNOW it said it somewhere. Hermione says something along the lines of "the sorting hat wanted to put me in Ravenclaw, but decided at the last minute to put me in Gryffindor". i'll have to look for it, but i'm almost 100% positive she says it. it's in one of the last 3 books, but i'm betting more on book 5 or 6
 
JunieJay,

You mentioned Vernon and Petunia as still being a possibility for death. What if it comes down to the love thing in the end? I know it's a very long shot, but what if there was some residual familial love left in her that can protect Harry in the end and leads to her demise. Or...maybe Voldemort comes after Harry right after his birthday (DD tells Harry to go back to his Aunt and Uncles, he'll be protected by the magic until he turns 17), and one of the Dursleys are killed.


Oh I think Petunia will play a big part in the end. There is something huge with her and/or Dudley that will be revealed. I'm so intriqued by the Dursley connection and how it came to be they accepted Harry in their home all these years. Something has bound them to the nephew they very much prefer was long lost. My co-worker is of the mind that Dudley is also a wizard, and because the Dursleys are so firmly planted in all things Muggle, worked out some sort of deal with DD to strip him of wizard powers in exchange for taking care of Harry. Wacky, I know. There are so many wacky theories out there, and the really fun part is ANY of them might end up being true. :banana:
 
i KNOW it said it somewhere. Hermione says something along the lines of "the sorting hat wanted to put me in Ravenclaw, but decided at the last minute to put me in Gryffindor". i'll have to look for it, but i'm almost 100% positive she says it. it's in one of the last 3 books, but i'm betting more on book 5 or 6

Oh I am so pathetic. But it's in OoTP, when Hermione makes the coins for the DA and uses the Protean charm. The Ravenclaws are really impressed and wonder why she's not in their House. Hermione says the sorting hat considered Ravenclaw but in the end decided Gryffindor.

Perhaps Hermione was just making that up to be kind...

The Hat did call out Gryffindor right away, but I do tend to cut JKR some slack though - she does a remarkable job of keeping continuity in the books, and a little slipup here and there is bound to happen.

When I think of some of my favorite tv shows (I'm looking at you ER) where they can't keep continuity from episode to episode for pity's sake - the fact that JKR can do something like use the Vanishing Cabinet briefly referenced in Book 2 as a pivotal plot point in book 6 is just really impressive.
 
I have started listening to the audiobooks again while I clean house (gosh my life is exciting) and I am still troubled by why the sorting hat "debated" putting HP in G or S. Maybe someone could offer an explanation on why the sorting hat was confused, if the scar is not a horcrux?

As far as deaths, I don't think I can handle it if any of the students die. I just don't think she will sacrifice HP because of all the children. I hoe she writes a DD biography next.

Sharon
We do know from the sortings that for some students, the hat sorted them into their house pretty quickly (for Ron, it basically said "another Weasley. Better be Griffindor"). For some (like Draco Malfoy), it was so quick that the hat was barely on their head. But there were others where the hat took a long time before announcing which house to put them in. Harry was not the only one that the hat apparently debated on, but Harry is the only one who we know what the hat had to say to him.
I think the sorting was the first big time where Harry had to decide between what was easy and what was right.

Someone earlier had posted that they thought the scar was a Horcrux because the sorting hat had said to Harry, 'it's all in your head."
I'd like to suggest that to the sorting hat, everything is all in each student's head. And, the hat is looking at the students' thoughts and what they choose to do. If their thoughts are not clear, the hat needs to consider a little more where to put them. in fact, Hermione says in the 5th book that the sorting hat considered putting her into Ravenclaw, but she asked to go into Griffindor, so that's where she ended up.

The hat told Harry he'd do well in Slytherin. Some of what the books says about Slytherin seems like Harry (the underlined parts):
Slytherin is the house for students known as being 'resourceful...with a certain disregard for rules,' also 'shrewd' and 'cunning folk [who] use any means to achieve their ends.'
Those parts could also describe Harry's father (it would be interesting to know if the hat had a similar conversation with him).
The hat told him that Slytherin could make him powerful and help him on his way to greatness, which would have seemed like a tempting proposition for someone who grew up in the Dursley's house. I don't think Harry is shrewd, cunning or would use any means to achive his end. He had seen a taste of Slytherin during his meeting with Draco Malfoy before the sorting and did not want to go in that house.

'Gryffindor welcomes those students known for their 'chivalry,' and who are willing to fight for what is 'right and good.'
That fits Harry too (although it's not always easy for him to choose what is right and good.
In the end, Harry was who chose where to go because he told the hat "not Slytherin".

At the end of Chamber of Secrets, when Harry tells Dumbledore that he is a fraid he should have been sorted into Slytherin, DD askes him why he was not placed there. Harry tells him it was because he asked the hat NOT to put him there. Then DD says something to the effect of it being our choices, rather than our abilities that make us what we are (making it sound to me like Harry's choice to not go into SLytherin was what we were supposed to get out of the hat not knowing where to sort him.)
 
Oh I think Petunia will play a big part in the end. There is something huge with her and/or Dudley that will be revealed. I'm so intriqued by the Dursley connection and how it came to be they accepted Harry in their home all these years. Something has bound them to the nephew they very much prefer was long lost. My co-worker is of the mind that Dudley is also a wizard, and because the Dursleys are so firmly planted in all things Muggle, worked out some sort of deal with DD to strip him of wizard powers in exchange for taking care of Harry. Wacky, I know. There are so many wacky theories out there, and the really fun part is ANY of them might end up being true. :banana:
JK Rowling has said that we will hear more about Petunia in book 7 (I think the exact was that she has "more than meets the eye"). When someone asked on her website whether Petunia was a witch, she said that Petunia has never done and will never do magic. (I guess that doesn't exactly say that she is not a witch, but we do know that Lilly got a letter to Hogwarts and Petunia didn't). I can't think of where I read it, but I think I also read that she said Dudley was not a wizard (I think it was in an interview, not on her website).
 

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