More updated Fastpass+ information

[dadddio]

Honestly, I have no clue what kind of T&Cs were drafted when FPs were first introduced for the same reason that most people won't be familiar with the T&Cs for FP+. I didn't read them.

 

[UNCFanatik]

The PP I quoted stated that Disney has a huge financial incentive to market FP+ and make it popular. I asked how the incentive was different for FP+ than regular FP. The RFID project Disney is implementing involves everything from RFID activated entrance to hotel rooms, hands free payment at Disney shops and of course FP+. The biggest part of the initiative is based in the data produced by Disney's ability to track purchases, dining and ride preferences, even movements around the park. That is the big payoff for Disney, FP+ is just a part of the implementation

So you dont think they have any financial incentive to make FP+ work? Yes, i do realize that it is a part of the overall My Magic initiative but they didnt have to overall the FP system, just upgrade the readers to accept RFID.

The big payoff is also increased park attendance by improving guest satisfaction. As it has been talked about extensively in previous posts, if the surveys are indicating major dissatisfaction with a large portion of guests when it comes to attraction wait times. FP+ is Disney's answer to getting more people to experience lower wait times. The financial incentive of course lies not only with the money invested but with increased revenue. Why else would Disney overhaul the FP system if not for potential future financial gain?

People keep saying that the FP system is working fine and should be left alone. So why would Disney change it, if not for financial incentive?

 

[dadddio]

You/we assume the plus is meant for us. That it is "plussing" our experience in obvious ways. Maybe that has never been the point at all.

I think that being able to preselected FPs in addition to getting some same-day will be a plus for everyone. Other changes will not benefit each individual experienced user, but should benefit the overall guest population.

 

[doggydoc]

You/we assume the plus is meant for us. That it is "plussing" our experience in obvious ways. Maybe that has never been the point at all.

Then why call it plus? Arguments for FP+ have been that it "levels the field" and allows those without "inside knowledge" ability to get popular FP's. That may be true but the limiting of FP's to accomplish this is not an improvement or "plus" it is a curtailment designed to improve access. If the "plus" is ability to preplan then that audience is right here and for the most part don't find it a "plus." As has been pointed out, ad nasuem only to be ignored or dismissed, if potential guests couldn't show enough initiative to figure out FP how are they going to get FP+. So this leaves a large chunk of the planners unhappy about the limitations and the non-planners pretty much where they were before. Any benefit the non-initiated might experience in more availability of FP's will be rather minor because, again they will only get 3. Unless there are millions of people out there that have just been dying to get a FP to TSM or Space Mountain there just won't be much noticeable impact.

Again I ask "where's the plus?"

 

[jade1]

It has been stated numerous times here that the huge investment in RFID technology has very little to do with FP+. It is a small component of the larger program.

The PP I quoted stated that Disney has a huge financial incentive to market FP+ and make it popular.

They appear exactly opposite to me.

 

[dadddio]

Then why call it plus? Arguments for FP+ have been that it "levels the field" and allows those without "inside knowledge" ability to get popular FP's. That may be true but the limiting of FP's to accomplish this is not an improvement or "plus" it is a curtailment designed to improve access. If the "plus" is ability to preplan then that audience is right here and for the most part don't find it a "plus." As has been pointed out, ad nasuem only to be ignored or dismissed, if potential guests couldn't show enough initiative to figure out FP how are they going to get FP+. So this leaves a large chunk of the planners unhappy about the limitations and the non-planners pretty much where they were before. Any benefit the non-initiated might experience in more availability of FP's will be rather minor because, again they will only get 3. Unless there are millions of people out there that have just been dying to get a FP to TSM or Space Mountain there just won't be much noticeable impact.

Again I ask "where's the plus?"

Your argument that there isn't a plus is based on supposition that the three preselected FPs are all that will be allowed. However, this theory doesn't account for the expansion of FPs both as a higher percentage of ride capacity and among a much greater number of attractions. Nor does it acknowledge that same-day FPs were allowed during testing. Finally, it ignores the simple fact that FPs will be available for counter service meals.

 

[doggydoc]

I forgot to include in my list the thing that people keep using as a negative for FP+.

During every round of testing, same-day FPs were offered in addition to the preselected FPs. If testing is an indicator of how FP+ will work, as these people argue, then there should be same-day FPs offered in addition to the three preselected FPs.

I think that being able to preselected FPs in addition to getting some same-day will be a plus for everyone. Other changes will not benefit each individual experienced user, but should benefit the overall guest population.

And if that is the case, along with being able to get same day FP's at multiple parks, it will indeed be a HUGE "PLUS". Before any information other than rumors of being able to prebook FP's was out I was extremely excited about FP+. I think it's an awesome system, but the rumored limitations will put a serious crimp in the way my family enjoys the parks and would indeed likely have us spending more of our time at other venues.

So you dont think they have any financial incentive to make FP+ work? Yes, i do realize that it is a part of the overall My Magic initiative but they didnt have to overall the FP system, just upgrade the readers to accept RFID.

The big payoff is also increased park attendance by improving guest satisfaction. As it has been talked about extensively in previous posts, if the surveys are indicating major dissatisfaction with a large portion of guests when it comes to attraction wait times. FP+ is Disney's answer to getting more people to experience lower wait times. The financial incentive of course lies not only with the money invested but with increased revenue. Why else would Disney overhaul the FP system if not for potential future financial gain?

People keep saying that the FP system is working fine and should be left alone. So why would Disney change it, if not for financial incentive?

But if it was such a large problem why were no changes made to the current FP system years ago? They could have easily increased FP windows, and put limits in a long time ago. It wasn't until just recently they began enforcing return times. It couldn't have been such a huge issue that they could ignore it for a decade then suddenly feel they needed these radical changes.

 

[doggydoc]

They appear exactly opposite to me.

What?

 

[doggydoc]

Your argument that there isn't a plus is based on supposition that the three preselected FPs are all that will be allowed. However, this theory doesn't account for the expansion of FPs both as a higher percentage of ride capacity and among a much greater number of attractions. Nor does it acknowledge that same-day FPs were allowed during testing. Finally, it ignores the simple fact that FPs will be available for counter service meals.

I make arguments based on facts and limit supposition to the effects they may have. We know there will be a limit of 3 preplanned FP+'s in 1 park per day. Will there be other's? I hope so but until "they" say so we only know what "they" have already stated. Hope for the best but prepare for the worst.

 

[jade1]

It has been stated numerous times here that the huge investment in RFID technology has very little to do with FP+. It is a small component of the larger program.

The PP I quoted stated that Disney has a huge financial incentive to market FP+ and make it popular.n

What?

The 2 statements you made appear exactly opposite to me.

Are you saying these 2 statements you made are saying the same thing?

 

[jade1]

The big payoff is also increased park attendance by improving guest satisfaction. As it has been talked about extensively in previous posts, if the surveys are indicating major dissatisfaction with a large portion of guests when it comes to attraction wait times. FP+ is Disney's answer to getting more people to experience lower wait times. The financial incentive of course lies not only with the money invested but with increased revenue. Why else would Disney overhaul the FP system if not for potential future financial gain?

Agreed.

But if it was such a large problem why were no changes made to the current FP system years ago? They could have easily increased FP windows, and put limits in a long time ago. It wasn't until just recently they began enforcing return times. It couldn't have been such a huge issue that they could ignore it for a decade then suddenly feel they needed these radical changes.

I would guess they didn't have all the technology they have now, didn't have as much feedback as they do now, and also didn't have a Billion dollars in the budget at the time to spend on it.

UNCFanatik explains some of the improvements above.

 

[mom2rtk]

Your argument that there isn't a plus is based on supposition that the three preselected FPs are all that will be allowed. However, this theory doesn't account for the expansion of FPs both as a higher percentage of ride capacity and among a much greater number of attractions. Nor does it acknowledge that same-day FPs were allowed during testing. Finally, it ignores the simple fact that FPs will be available for counter service meals.

I imagine the PP's argument that there isn't a plus could also take into account that FPs will be limited to one per attraction per day. That was not the case in the test, as regular FP priveleges remained intact (including the ability to pull from the same ride repeatedly if desired).

If there wasn't another single negative to the new system, that would be enough to label it "not a plus" in the opinion of MANY guests. But then couple that with the inability to use FP in more than one park per day, and surely you can see how some might consider the "plus" part of FP+ to be a misnomer.

 

[Tekneek]

Then why call it plus?

They have to call it something. They could have called it FP 2.0, but FP+ is simpler. It's the next iteration of FastPass. That doesn't necessarily mean it is going to be better for all of us.

 

[Robbi]

I agree, if the limit 3/1 park scenario is in fact implemented "where's the plus?"

And wouldn't that make a great internet meme? Just add hashtag.

I agree. It wouldn't be a good marketing strategy for Disney to call it FastPass minus though.

 

[Tekneek]

I agree. It wouldn't be a good marketing strategy for Disney to call it FastPass minus though.

Come here and use our great new version of FastPass. We call it FP minus, because it is worse than what we used to have. Please come to our parks and have a degraded experience. Thanks!

By the way, we're raising ticket prices and room rates again! We very much appreciate your business!

 

[Robbi]

Come here and use our great new version of FastPass. We call it FP minus, because it is worse than what we used to have. Please come to our parks and have a degraded experience. Thanks!

By the way, we're raising ticket prices and room rates again! We very much appreciate your business!

Exactly what appears to be happening only they will make it look like less is more!

 

[CuteAsMinnie]

The PP I quoted stated that Disney has a huge financial incentive to market FP+ and make it popular. I asked how the incentive was different for FP+ than regular FP. The RFID project Disney is implementing involves everything from RFID activated entrance to hotel rooms, hands free payment at Disney shops and of course FP+. The biggest part of the initiative is based in the data produced by Disney's ability to track purchases, dining and ride preferences, even movements around the park. That is the big payoff for Disney, FP+ is just a part of the implementation

That in and if itself will not affect Disney's bottom line.

 

[Robo]

That in and if itself will not affect Disney's bottom line.

Yup.

There are a lot of opportunities in mining information about guests' preferences.
However, Disney already has immense amounts of that info collected over generations
at the parks.

To make all of this NEW MyMagic+ R&D, new hardware and software investments, additional queue enhancements, etc.
"pay for itself," there's got to be an astounding amount of anticipated pay-off pending for Disney.

But, with the little that has been revealed so far, many of the biggest fans are not amused.

 

[Tekneek]

To make all of this NEW MyMagic+ R&D, new hardware and software investments, additional queue enhancements, etc.
"pay for itself," there's got to be an astounding amount of pay-off for Disney.

Or there is going to be a massive housecleaning in upper management when it doesn't.

 

[CuteAsMinnie]

Yup.

There are a lot of opportunities in mining information about guests' preferences.
However, Disney already has immense amounts of that info collected over generations
at the parks.

To make all of this NEW MyMagic+ R&D, new hardware and software investments, additional queue enhancements, etc.
"pay for itself," there's got to be an astounding amount of pay-off for Disney.

So far, many of the biggest fans are not amused.

Yup
There's got to be
....somewhere