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[doggydoc]

I won't go down that path, as it has nothing to do with MyMagic+ / FP+.

Expecting to make a profit by raising rates is, well, Capitalism.
And, if "supply and demand" are in balance that can continue.

But, I'm talking about why they are investing a lot of their money in
a new system that so many are arguing will favor newbies but punish
repeat customers for being savvy "power users."

Newbies: good.
Wizened returnees: bad.

What makes an ever-increasing bankroll for Disney in that situation?

I've never been able to buy that argument either. Actually if the limits on FP+ turn out to be for preplanned only then it possibly turns the whole premise on it's head. They add all these lower tier rides and parades and meet and greets to FP+ greatly increasing the number of available FP's. Then hand out preplanned FP choices to the non-planning, uninformed masses based on answers to questionaires and such. They then use this system to direct as many of these guests as possible to less popular rides and attractions. While all the newbies are chasing their prepackaged FP suggestions around the park the Wizened returnees find shorter stand-by's and possible available same day FP's for headliners. Maybe the system is designed to get the newbies out of the way of the "super-user".


Maybe not though.

 

[Rosanne]

Do you think this will be the final thing that just makes all of that unbearable? They will draw a line in the sand over a FP change while so easily bearing all those other things? Seems unlikely to me.

Diehards keep coming. Newbies have a more pleasant experience. Disney wins.

Line in the sand. Straw that broke the camel's back. Disney wins? Maybe. Maybe not. Time will tell.

 

[DougEMG]

Buzzackly!

A new E-Ticket attraction costs roughly 100 million dollars to create.

A billion dollars (proclaimed price-tag of MyMagic+) would net a cool
TEN brand spanking new biggie attractions.

This is the part I don't understand. 10 new 'biggie' attractions would certainly pull in lots of customers (case in point Carsland) and reduce the number of people in lines.

Just read an article on the new Harry Potter attraction being built at Universal opening summer 2014 and my daughter said we absolutely have to go there for it.

To me it's attractions that make me want to go to a park, not some back end data mining technology.

 

[bauer1168]

Buzzackly!

A new E-Ticket attraction costs roughly 100 million dollars to create.

A billion dollars (proclaimed price-tag of MyMagic+) would net a cool
TEN brand spanking new biggie attractions.

It could be argued that those new attractions would help bring in not just first time guests, but turn first time guests into regular guests, much more than My Magic+ will. And, possibly make touring less stressful.
Look at how much Carsland has done for DCA and Harry Potter for Universal

 

[Tekneek]

Maybe the system is designed to get the newbies out of the way of the "super-user".

Maybe not though.

We'll see. It could be great, or not so much. I hope the former, and somewhat dread the latter. We'll see if Disney's new great gamble takes them to new heights or is a big flop.

 

[DougEMG]

Or there is going to be a massive housecleaning in upper management when it doesn't.

What will be interesting is that Disney will be able to compare within itself how their investment in Carsland did as compared to what they are doing in WDW.

 

[Robo]

Maybe the system is designed to get the newbies out of the way of the "super-user".

I'm writing that down on a Post-It and putting it under my mattress even as we speak.

 

[Tekneek]

It could be argued that those new attractions would help bring in not just first time guests, but turn first time guests into regular guests, much more than My Magic+ will. And, possibly make touring less stressful.

Indeed. MyMagic+, as far as what I know about it so far, is underwhelming at best and very disappointing at worst. I've learned enough about it that I'm just hoping it doesn't negatively impact the way we normally go about touring the parks. If it ends up no worse than before, I'd accept it. Of course, I would love for it to be much more positive and enjoyable, but haven't seen much that is exciting so far.

 

[bauer1168]

Indeed. MyMagic+, as far as what I know about it so far, is underwhelming at best and very disappointing at worst. I've learned enough about it that I'm just hoping it doesn't negatively impact the way we normally go about touring the parks. If it ends up no worse than before, I'd accept it. Of course, I would love for it to be much more positive and enjoyable, but haven't seen much that is exciting so far.

I'm skeptical from what I've seen so far, I hope my skepticism will be all for nothing when this rolls out.
But as has been said many times, we won't fully know until its rolled out in full

 

[Robo]

Indeed. MyMagic+, as far as what I know about it so far, is underwhelming at best and very disappointing at worst. I've learned enough about it that I'm just hoping it doesn't negatively impact the way we normally go about touring the parks. If it ends up no worse than before, I'd accept it. Of course, I would love for it to be much more positive and enjoyable, but haven't seen much that is exciting so far.

I enjoyed the previous reference to the current "Promotion" at Disney Parks, (that's been pretty much of a fizzle)
called LTM...
"Limited Time Magic."

If MyMagic+ doesn't make back its investment, we might be looking at a new
LTM...
"Limited Time Management."

 

[Rosanne]

This is the part I don't understand. 10 new 'biggie' attractions would certainly pull in lots of customers (case in point Carsland) and reduce the number of people in lines.

Just read an article on the new Harry Potter attraction being built at Universal opening summer 2014 and my daughter said we absolutely have to go there for it.

To me it's attractions that make me want to go to a park, not some back end data mining technology.

My thinking is that they actually do want more people in lines... spread throughout the attractions more evenly. I think they realized that FP wasn't increasing purchasing. This new plan IMO is intended to have people more evenly spread out in lines so that they can employ fewer CMs to attend to them.

New attractions would require hiring more CMs and that wouldn't bring $$ to execs and shareholders, even though it would stimulate the local economy lower unemployment and heighten guest satisfaction.

Bottom line.

None of the above that I'm thinking is my hoping. It is my thinking.

 

[Tekneek]

It is interesting that they could come up with the budget for this, yet they cannot get the Yeti moving again. At least it reaffirms where their priorities are.

 

[Brian Noble]

They want repeat customers.
Customers who are comfortable knowing how to negotiate the parks and ride the rides.

Your reading comprehension is not what it could be. I did not say that guests "comfortable negotiating the parks" were having a good time. (Though, I agree that they do.) I said that first time guests---who have little to no understanding of how the parks work---are having a great time.

 

[Robbi]

You know the saving grace in all of this? The diehards will figure out the work arounds and we dissers will find out what they are. After all, we found out about rope drop, late fast pass returns, a secret walkway near Space Mountain- not sure if it exists anymore- the best places to watch fireworks shows, etc.

 

[Tekneek]

My thinking is that they actually do want more people in lines... spread throughout the attractions more evenly. I think they realized that FP wasn't increasing purchasing. This new plan IMO is intended to have people more evenly spread out in lines so that they can employ fewer CMs to attend to them.

New attractions would require hiring more CMs and that wouldn't bring $$ to execs and shareholders, even though it would stimulate the local economy lower unemployment and heighten guest satisfaction.

You make a good case. I have enjoyed all the speculation.

 

[Tekneek]

a secret walkway near Space Mountain- not sure if it exists anymore-

It should. They usually do something cool over there during MNSSHP.

 

[Brian Noble]

dadddio wrote:

I also prefer to concentrate on the facts. Fact one: the product is named FP+. That suggests that they took the current product and improved it somehow. Fact two: the stated purpose is to push people out if the lines. Reducing the number of FPs and putting a greater number of people in the SB lines doesn't do this. Fact three: the tests all allowed for same-day FPs in addition to the preselected ones.

I will bet you a La Cava Margarita that once FP+ is fully operational, the total number of FP+ reservations you can have in a single day is the same, whether you reserve them in advance or that day.

No extra ones on the same day. If the per-park limit is three, you will get three whether you make them in advance, same day, or some combination.

 

[Robbi]

It should. They usually do something cool over there during MNSSHP.

Thanks!

 

[Robo]

Your reading comprehension is not what it could be.

Thank you, you're very kind.

 

[Brian Noble]

Line in the sand. Straw that broke the camel's back. Disney wins? Maybe. Maybe not. Time will tell.

There have been many such straws. Increases in ticket prices. Increases in food/beverage prices. Increases in room rates. Decreases in EMH offerings. Decreases in value of DDP.

So far, the camel is standing strong.