More updated Fastpass+ information

[dadddio]

So far Disney has plans to introduce a 3 FP+ per person per day system. That evens the playing field, making everyone who has a ticket, whether it is annual pass, discount, child or adult, have just as many rides as any other guest. There hasn't been anything from Disney indicating that there is any other plan right now, is there? Isn't the idea of more fast passes for deluxe resort guests something that is pure speculation?

Correct. Tiering FPs by resort level is complete and total speculation and runs counter to statements that tptb have made about FP+.

 

[Turn the Page]

Correct. Tiering FPs by resort level is complete and total speculation and runs counter to statements that tptb have made about FP+.

I for one desperately hope it stays that way too.

 

[dadddio]

You actually came to a debate using the statement, "all of them?"

He's practically begging people to pop in with posts like 'Dollywood doesn't do that'.

BTW, I don't think that Dollywood does that.

 

[dadddio]

I wanted to make a comment about how many people are saying that all this is speculation and we need to wait and see. Actually Disney has already worked out terms and conditions for at least some of what the new FP+ will be. You can find this on the Disney World website by scrolling down to the bottom of the page and clicking on "Disney Park Experience Terms and Conditions." Under "Disney Fastpass+ Service" you will see that yes, we will only be able to get fp's for one park each day and you can't fp the same attraction twice.

You can not preschedule FPs in one park. You may or may not be able to obtain additional FPs in a second park 'day of'.

Not being able to obtain more than one FP per attraction per day is actually a good thing in that it helps guarantee that you will be able to get a FP for attractions that you want.

Also if you scroll down to "Converting to Paperless Tickets" you will read that if you opt into the My Magic+, you will not be able to access the traditional fp system. So for those of us who have been hoping we might be able to use both systems, well looks like we are out of luck - at least for now.

Magic bands clearly will not work in the mag stripe FP machines. That doesn't mean that there won't be a 'same-day' component.

I also wanted to comment on wait times in standby lines - and forgive me if someone already pointed this out and I missed it - with all the money Disney has been putting into new interactive standyby lines, doesn't it seem to indicate that they are anticipating more people waiting in these lines and they are looking for ways to keep us happy while we wait?

People are dissatisfied when they feel that they wait in lines too long. There are two ways to combat this: 1) Make average wait times shorter by doing things such as enlarging and reforming the FP system and 2) give people something to do while in line so they don't perceive the waits to be too long. A smart company would do both.

 

[dadddio]

According to the Terms of Service for My Disney Experience, once you are on paperless tickets you will no longer be able to participate in the standard FASTPASS service at the parks. You become FP+ only at that point.

This is true. What is not known is what the same-day component of FP+ will entail.

The apparent limitation, from my reading of the TOS, to one park per day for FP+ is annoying. I have used FP in 3 different parks on the same day before and don't like the sound of that.

How many of those 3-park FPs did you preschedule? I bet that the answer to that question is an integer that is neither positive nor negative. The mere fact that you won't be able to preschedule FPs in more than one park per day doesn't mean that FPs in additional parks won't be available same-day. I suspect that to make that happen, you will have to preschedule your FPs for park one, use them, and then jump to a second park, but we'll see how it actually works once it has been rolled out.

 

[dadddio]

That VIP rate is pretty steep, but it does allow for some FP+ up-selling between the regular park tickets and the VIP tour. Consider the 6 hour minimum, at a rate of $315 for guests on property and $340 for those off property.

VIP tour for resort guest - minimum of $1,890
VIP tour for day guest - minimum of $2,040

What would an extra FP+ slot be worth to someone who doesn't want to pay out for the full VIP tour, but wants to guarantee a few more attractions? $100? Would anybody pay for that? I think so. There are already people who wish they could pay for additional FastPass under the current system.

Did you just post that you think someone would pay $100 for a single FP? It would be cheaper to simply buy a second ticket.

 

[mummabear]

Well I think its a very real possibility and something from a business aspect I find hard to argue against, I have always thought it was a positive selling point on the Disney ticket that FP's were avaible equally to all and that they wouldn't do a money grab so people were able to cut in front of you in line. I have respected them for that and I hope it doesnt change.

I do think on-site guests should have perks and with the possible removal of emh they will need to come up with something. I don't think the level of perk should be linked to the tier of resort-you are paying more for higher quailty amenities at your resort.

To the people complaining about kids being at a delux-really? You are at Disney world it shouldnt be suprising, if you didnt want kids around then you should have travelled somewhere less kid centric. Maybe one day they will open an adults only resort, we have enjoyed these in Fiji in our pre kid days for this very reason.

 

[Planogirl]

That's what it says on Universals website. I still think the practice is croppy though. Except for visiting WWOHP or whatever it's called I have never had any desire to go to Universal and now that I know they do this kind of thing I have even less desire to go.

It's pretty easy to tour Universal without a front of the line pass. We've been several times while staying offsite and have had no trouble seeing what we want to.

 

[Disney_Princess83]

I think it will be unlikely that WDW will offer extra FP's to people staying in Deluxe Resorts and not allow anyone else to purchase it. I think it's far more likely that people staying in Deluxe might get this perk for "free" and those staying in Moderate and Value will have to pay extra for it. Those staying off site might not be able to purchase it or purchase it as a higher cost (still trying to get people to stay on property)

 

[Colleen27]

Um, we stay at the Poly because we are allowed our family of 5 in one room, no squishing/squeezing needed. The price point between AOA family suite and Poly Garden view is very small - we like the Poly b/c of the monorail (don't have to fold my buggy and carry 3 sleeping kids) and ability for us to be in one room. And really most brides are more likely to stay at CS than the poly - I know I certainly would having stayed at all levels of resorts including both CS and the Poly - CS caters to the couples and convention crowd much better than the Poly does.

BUT that being said we like our resort being low wild kids - but mostly we like our resort being low on university age kids partying. It'd be nice to get special perks - because as things stand right now the ONLY thing I get for staying at the Poly that someone staying somewhere else doesn't get is my room with 2 queens and a day bed. The beach is often crowded with non-resort guests, the same with the pool etc. But most of the people hopping over for a midday swim at least pretend to belong so they aren't being overly rowdy. There is a huge difference in feel between say Pop and the Poly as far as crowd levels, noise, etc Whether or not our family stayed in a dlx resort would be dependant on feel.

That's exactly what I'm saying - the choice to book a particular resort is based on feel, and using ride access to push families towards the deluxe resorts has the potential to change that feel. I'm not complaining about kids at Disney - my 3 are with me more often than not. But people who book the deluxe resorts are often attracted to a certain feel and atmosphere and Disney needs to be sensitive to how changes in their policies might effect that feel. To that end, I don't believe that the rumors of tiered access based on resort choice will come to pass. There are many other ways to monetize the new system without the trickle-down effects that would have on guest satisfaction.

I agree that the price difference between a value suite or two rooms is fairly minimal. For my family, one standard hotel room is a squeeze. It sounds like your children are still quite young? How much space you need will probably change as they get older. It did for us. I have a teenage son, pre-teen daughter, and preschooler. Lack of privacy, need to share beds, and managing with one bathroom makes any standard hotel room a tight fit. We enjoyed our deluxe stays when the kids were smaller and we were still a family of 4, but these days resort amenities and feel lose out to making sure DS15 doesn't have to share a bed with anyone and having a second bathroom for when DD11 decides to take forever getting ready in the morning!

 

[Turn the Page]

Well I think its a very real possibility and something from a business aspect I find hard to argue against, I have always thought it was a positive selling point on the Disney ticket that FP's were avaible equally to all and that they wouldn't do a money grab so people were able to cut in front of you in line. I have respected them for that and I hope it doesnt change.

I totally agree. Disney has nearly perfected the art of separating people from their money while still making them happy about it. I get that it's a business. But there is a difference between seeking a profit margin and an unadulterated money grab. As good as Disney currently is at getting people to spend money I would consider it a blatant money grab if they started charging for fast passes. And I also agree, I really respect Disney for not charging for fast passes when apparently everyone else does.

I do think on-site guests should have perks and with the possible removal of emh they will need to come up with something. I don't think the level of perk should be linked to the tier of resort-you are paying more for higher quailty amenities at your resort.

Again, totally agree.

To the people complaining about kids being at a delux-really? You are at Disney world it shouldnt be suprising, if you didnt want kids around then you should have travelled somewhere less kid centric. Maybe one day they will open an adults only resort, we have enjoyed these in Fiji in our pre kid days for this very reason.

About 18 months ago or so my mom took my DD on a Disney cruise to Mexico. I had never been on one so I started reading some reviews on Cruise Critic and someone on there was complaining about the number of kids on her Disney cruise. I don't know what they were expecting but apparently kids wasn't it. Another complained about how Disney themed the ship was. All Disney all the time.

People crack me up.

 

[Tekneek]

Did you just post that you think someone would pay $100 for a single FP? It would be cheaper to simply buy a second ticket.

And associate that same ticket to a FP+ reservation for the same day? I'm thinking about the additional slot being available to your entire "Experience Party" as Disney calls it. Not just one for one person.

The system can be cheated, I'm sure, but the cash outlay and administrative effort might not be worth it. You would need multiple RFID cards/bracelets and use the right one when you show up for your reservation. A CM might be suspicious as you try to scan multiple bracelets looking for the one that has the reservation.

 

[mom2rtk]

Not being able to obtain more than one FP per attraction per day is actually a good thing in that it helps guarantee that you will be able to get a FP for attractions that you want.

"Good" is quite a relative term you know. This will be a HUGE takeaway for many. And no, it won't help me get a FP for the attraction I want, if the attraction I want is one I already got a FP for.

If I hate ToT but love RnR, I really would prefer to have two for RnR instead of one of each. (And for every person who loves RnR over ToT, there will be one who loves ToT over RnR). But alas, this system is not predicated upon making things better for an individual, it is predicated upon making it better for the whole.

This is true. What is not known is what the same-day component of FP+ will entail.
How many of those 3-park FPs did you preschedule? I bet that the answer to that question is an integer that is neither positive nor negative. The mere fact that you won't be able to preschedule FPs in more than one park per day doesn't mean that FPs in additional parks won't be available same-day. I suspect that to make that happen, you will have to preschedule your FPs for park one, use them, and then jump to a second park, but we'll see how it actually works once it has been rolled out.

I too am pretty confident same day FPs will be available. So all will be grand for the PP. As long as when they end the day in Epcot, they are happy getting same day FPs for Nemo and Maelstrom.

 

[ohboyx3]

I love how everyone seems to think they know exactly how this is going to work when we are SO limited on info. Here's a thought.... How bout we see how exactly it is going to work before deciding weather we love or hate it. Honestly all this speculation is starting to get irritating!!!

 

[mesaboy2]

I love how everyone seems to think they know exactly how this is going to work when we are SO limited on info. Here's a thought.... How bout we see how exactly it is going to work before deciding weather we love or hate it. Honestly all this speculation is starting to get irritating!!!

This is how discussion boards work. I'm tired of the speculation too, but there's nothing you can do about it other than the obvious--don't open the threads you don't care about.

 

[Disney_Princess83]

I love how everyone seems to think they know exactly how this is going to work when we are SO limited on info. Here's a thought.... How bout we see how exactly it is going to work before deciding weather we love or hate it. Honestly all this speculation is starting to get irritating!!!

Not everything is speculation. Some elements have been announced from Disney or what we can already see being implemented. For us personally, the enforced return times doesn't work for us. Regardless of whether we can book it 6 months in advance (something we would NEVER do, it's hard enough with meal reservations) or if we book it two hours prior to wanting to ride, it doesn't work for us. This element alone means for us, FP+ won't work for our family.

 

[Disney_Princess83]

This! We wouldn't want a FP for TSSM (I know, one of the few people who don't ) but would want one for ToT and Star Tours but no other ride in the park. To be offered anything else would be a total waste for us. At AK, we would prefer 2 Dinosaur FP's and one Safari FP. Why we couldn't do this, I don't know... I'm sure other people would prefer "our" EE FP spaces.

"Good" is quite a relative term you know. This will be a HUGE takeaway for many. And no, it won't help me get a FP for the attraction I want, if the attraction I want is one I already got a FP for.

If I hate ToT but love RnR, I really would prefer to have two for RnR instead of one of each. (And for every person who loves RnR over ToT, there will be one who loves ToT over RnR). But alas, this system is not predicated upon making things better for an individual, it is predicated upon making it better for the whole.

 

[Dan Murphy]

Well, I must say that simple link on my OP sure has created a lot of lively conversation.

It will be interesting to see how all the speculation shakes out when the FP+, along with all whatever else Disney introduces over the coming months/years related to the MyMagic+ experiences.

 

[Disney_Princess83]

Well, I must say that simple link on my OP sure has created a lot of lively conversation.

It will be interesting to see how all the speculation shakes out when the FP+, along with all whatever else Disney introduces over the coming months/years related to the MyMagic+ experiences.

The "suspense" I think is what is creating most of the discussion problems. Since Disney is keeping so much information back, everyone is kept trying to piece together the information.

 

[mesaboy2]

Well, I must say that simple link on my OP sure has created a lot of lively conversation.

It will be interesting to see how all the speculation shakes out when the FP+, along with all whatever else Disney introduces over the coming months/years related to the MyMagic+ experiences.

I knew the instant I read it that it would. Surely you knew the same--this isn't your first rodeo.