More for Less: A Theme Park Planning Strategy

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So, the week touring Orlando and the convention are different times during that 6th to the 21st period? As you indicated, the Rosen throws off the ability to recognize the full potential savings, and you'd rather not stay there (think you said you wouldn't pay for it). Why not stay in one of your $35 a night condos for the Orlando vacation portion of the trip?
 
So, we're already spending $0 inside the parks every day and we're getting what we want, not replacing it with something cheaper.
So I'd say you're not the target demographic Disney is going for. :) I don't think that profile fits the average WDW guest.
 
So I'd say you're not the target demographic Disney is going for. :) I don't think that profile fits the average WDW guest.

Except for the fact they are spending credit card rewards for their in park purchases. Disney's earning their money from the credit card fees when they use the credit card. The question is whether cakebaker is using the Disney Card because it gives the best reward or because it gives more "Disney Money". For example, right now Grocery Stores are 5% cash back on a normal Chase Card and 1% on a Disney Card (2% Premier). Ideally, you'd use the card that give you the best overall reward that you can use.
 
Lake, I think it's great that you've decided it's in your family's best interest to transition from WDW vacations to Orlando area vacations. I get it, Disney pushed you over the precipice ;) with FP+. I'm glad your son will be able to fulfill his preference for Uni while you will still be able to get your WDW fix BECAUSE OF the existence of FP+. Given the desire to visit multiple Orlando venues I understand that it makes sense to stay in centrally located off-site accommodations, which will be different from on on-site Disney experience, but will also be cheaper. Being off-site will also allow you to consider cheaper food options, which is great if that's what you really want. Looks like you'll get to see some other cool things along the way. I respect all of that.

Of course, maybe that's the way you should have started this thread, instead of some rhet......well, you and I both know what you intended ;). I find that anything done with the desire to simply prove a point.....well, it usually doesn't go all that well.

Fact of the matter is all the comparisons you probably want to draw simply can't be drawn. The Central Florida vacation you have laid out is "Apples" to WDW's immersive "Oranges"....but again, you know that.

Unfortunate that you, once again, have had to "clarify" what you meant. While I'm not buying, your generalized "More for Less" title isn't of much value, IMHO. However, as clarified to mean that your strategy is 'to meet my family's desires, see more attractions in multiple theme parks and other venues throughout the Orlando area while spending less money by staying in cheaper off-site accomodations that better suit our needs, and eating less and cheaper food'......well, there is a lot of value in that as a thread.

Only you can decide if that means more of a vacation for you. The itineraries you have laid out wouldn't represent more of a vacation for me, but I'm looking for a WDW experience as opposed to an Orlando area experience. To each his own, I s'pose!

Some day maybe we'll have a strong enough desire to see other things in the Orlando area that we'll be willing to stay in a $35 a night condo that feels like an apartment in the real world, eat at the Golden Colon, spent time sitting in I Drive traffic not unlike the traffic I sit in at home, and spend hours and hours and hours a day driving and traversing parking lots......but we aren't there yet.
 

Some day maybe we'll have a strong enough desire to see other things in the Orlando area that we'll be willing to stay in a $35 a night condo that feels like an apartment in the real world, eat at the Golden Colon, spent time sitting in I Drive traffic not unlike the traffic I sit in at home, and spend hours and hours and hours a day driving and traversing parking lots......but we aren't there yet.

No problem, this obviously isn't for you and I can understand why it might be a painful read for you. Some people would rather pay premium prices to eat at WDW buffets that many compare to "Golden Colon" quality, pay 4 star prices for 2 star onsite accommodations, and never step foot outside the "bubble" for fear it might impact their emotional experience and because they've been told it takes forever to get anywhere else and you'll simply fall off the edge of that flat world anyway. That's cool, and it's certainly your right to do that if you want to.

But not everyone feels that way, so this is for those of us who might find ourselves wondering what else we could be doing while we're standing in a 60 minute line because we've used up our FP's and see how we might be able to take advantage of certain aspects of the new system to avoid that. Maybe even more for less, if you're willing to adapt.


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Nothing painful about it. Your "bubble" has burst for a variety of reasons (FP+ being one of the more minor). Seems to upset you that others are still happy in the 'bubble'. Why is that?

You just want different things than a lot of WDW guests, and their ain't nuthin' wrong with that!

I don't need to be "told" anything. I've has plenty of occasions to be outside the 'bubble', even stay outside the 'bubble'. I know what it's like out there, don't presume to know I don't!
 
Nothing painful about it. Your "bubble" has burst for a variety of reasons (FP+ being one of the more minor). Seems to upset you that others are still happy in the 'bubble'. Why is that?

You just want different things than a lot of WDW guests, and their ain't nuthin' wrong with that!

I don't need to be "told" anything. I've has plenty of occasions to be outside the 'bubble', even stay outside the 'bubble'. I know what it's like out there, don't presume to know I don't!

I'm not upset at all. I'm actually excited to attempt this and apply what I've learned to another trip in June. What I don't understand is the hostility towards anyone who suggests doing something differently. That really isn't necessary, since nobody is forced to read any of these threads. I'm glad you enjoy your trips, and I'm going to do my best to enjoy mine.
 
I'm not upset at all..........I'm glad you enjoy your trips, and I'm going to do my best to enjoy mine.

Not sure your responses come across to everyone as 'not upset', but I guess I'll take you at your word. Sorry, didn't mean to read into your 'emotional experience'.

As for the second part.....'Nuff said. Enjoy!
 
The question becomes, is it more valuable to get the extra prebooked FP+ at the expense of extra travel time. For many of us, this is the most interesting and the "newest" item being tested..

I wanted to focus in on that particular question/comment because I think it's a good one. Most of us don't stand still for very long while at WDW - we are always moving. Whether it be thru a line or to another attraction or to another park or resort, we are moving. So what I'm curious to see is if I can take that time spent moving and simply use it to move somewhere else where the lines "might" be shorter for additional and different experiences. Let's say I schedule back-to-back FP+ to bypass any significant wait time at Test Track, Mission Space, and (insert your third FP choice here). Let's also assume that the standby line at Soarin is 60 minutes, and rather than get in line for it I use that 60 minutes to move somewhere else. Some say that I "wasted" that 60 minutes. But isn't that what a lot of people already do with park hoppers? Park gets crowded or they decide the standby is too long for them, there's not much left at the kiosks so they decide to move to another park. I'm curious to see how long it takes me to move to another park system. If I can do it in 45 minutes to an hour, what's the difference between that and standing in a line or park hopping from MK to AK?

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Not sure your responses come across to everyone as 'not upset', but I guess I'll take you at your word.
I don't see what about any of LT's OP in this thread or any of his responses indicate being 'upset.' The OP, and much of the discussion in this thread, has been about attempting to achieve as much value from a vacation that still incorporates WDW quite a bit, while adapting to the realities of FP+ in a way that will hopefully allow LT to have as much enjoyment as possible, and that also shows some unintended FP+ effects.

Speaking strictly for myself, I've enjoyed reading the thread and most of the responses, with the exception of the responses that lampoon LT's personal choices of where to stay, where to eat, etc. Until I was an adult with my own family, LT's itineraries for each day read like what my 'Disney' vacations were like as a kid, and my own family stayed offsite, made MK (because it was the only Disney park around then) a part of our experience, but also enjoyed other central Florida attractions, especially including KSC and timing to include as many Apollo launches with attendant Cocoa Beach time as possible. Yes, we ate at not-so-great buffets at times (though 'Golden Colon' as you describe it didn't exist then to my knowledge), and stayed in as cheap a place as we could afford, and drove every single time from Kentucky (and this was before I-75 was completed all the way to Florida) to save money. But those trips, IMO, were just as memorable to me as the much more expensive onsite WDW-only trips my family has been taking for the last 14 years or so since we've had kids. So I appreciate this thread as a way to look at ways to return to getting bang for our vacation buck.
 
So I'd say you're not the target demographic Disney is going for. :) I don't think that profile fits the average WDW guest.

It makes no difference to me if I'm their target demographic or not. But I suspect they're pretty pleased with the money we spend at WDW. We visit at least once a year- sometimes more. Sometimes we're on AP, other times we're not. We're always on site and once there we never leave. Our trips probably average 6-10 days. We're not spending cash in the parks, but we only get the rewards off the cc because I put a LOT on my credit card every year and Disney is making money off that as well.

The only exception to all that were the 2 short, unexpected and unplanned trips we made last summer and fall. They may not have targeted me, but when they did the Frozen Summer, they certainly got me. On the 2nd trip, we made our first venture outside the parks ever- to Universal. One of my daughters wanted to see what all the fuss was about and I caved in to 2 days at Universal. We soundly hated it and won't return. Disney has me back, full force.

But whether I'm their target or not, what they're doing is working for me quite well and I don't see what the target demographic has to do with this discussion.
 
I guess it's just me, but all his comments about paying premium prices, paying for this and getting that, comments about emotional experiences, bubbles and falling off the edge of the flat world.....they just seem somewhat, I don't know, confrontational. Like I said, guess it's just me.

I applaud Lake for his decisions, and simply evaluate them for what they are. Not for me, great for him. I guess the Golden Colon thing was a little unfair. My neighbor is a wholesale supplier of fish and beef. All it took was one story about what the buffet purveyors were procuring for their customers from the fish market and butcher and I was sworn off of all buffets. We tend to value quality over quantity.

Lake, you mention leaving Epcot and passing on a 60 minute line for Soarin' to spend the hour driving to Uni. What do you do when you get there, wait on a 60 minute line for HP? Not sure I see the net savings.
 
I'm not upset at all. I'm actually excited to attempt this and apply what I've learned to another trip in June. What I don't understand is the hostility towards anyone who suggests doing something differently. That really isn't necessary, since nobody is forced to read any of these threads. I'm glad you enjoy your trips, and I'm going to do my best to enjoy mine.

No one is being hostile toward you. And everyone appreciates a view into how one could tour for less, even if we wouldn't tour that way. We can all pull bits out and use them for our own experiences. What I take issue to (still) is that...

* You call this More for Less. You've demonstrated how you get more done in a week, but you refuse to state how much less it costs, or if it costs less at all.

* You assert $35/nt for a 3-star condo, and are equating that to a Disney Moderate. I checked condos online, and could not replicate your rate. I can at a Motel 6.

* Dining, you assert you always got the DDP on previous trips. Now, you're light eaters. Yet, you still want to do Dining w the Astronauts (which is more expensive than a Disney World Dinner Event), Lighthouse Lobster, and Texas De Brazil... Which are both $40 adult plates, like BOG or LTT. And then you're asserting you're going to do this all for under $100 / day. Then you seem to get irritated when someone points out that these 3 meals are each $100 meals in themselves, and would leave no budget for anything else. It would be one thing if you were advocating driving offsite to eat for less, like McDonalds or something... like Lisa and many others have asserted is reasonable. But you're driving offsite, then spending just as much to eat outside WDW. Your alternatives are a combination of very expensive restaurants -- and eating at Universal, which is about equal to WDW.

* And last, you assert getting a car rental for $80/week. Now I checked Budget and Thrifty, both of which tend to have great rates, and I found a Kia Rio at Thrifty for $200. I don't see how you're breaking into the sub-$100/week rate for cars. If you can do this, and provide a repeatable way for people to do this, folks would love you for it. I see your screenshot of your hotwire page, but when I run it, I get similar to other sites, $200. So more useful than going on and on about how you're saving money by staying offsite, would be perhaps sharing how you actually get such good hotwire prices. Getting a car for $80/week would drastically alter many peoples' trips in a positive way!

So in summary. If you would like to, then address those points. I would appreciate it. I see them as unaddressed holes in your plan. Tell us about the total cost involved, and compare that to what you would spend.

No one is doubting that one can save money by buying less at Disney and more offsite.. You just do not seem to be demonstrating that your strategy will actually run you less than your traditional week-at-Disney.
 
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Except for the fact they are spending credit card rewards for their in park purchases. Disney's earning their money from the credit card fees when they use the credit card. The question is whether cakebaker is using the Disney Card because it gives the best reward or because it gives more "Disney Money". For example, right now Grocery Stores are 5% cash back on a normal Chase Card and 1% on a Disney Card (2% Premier). Ideally, you'd use the card that give you the best overall reward that you can use.

I'm using it, because without trying to explain why- it's irrelevant and not necessary to know- this is the only card I have and can't get another one. Try your best not to assume you know why- you won't guess right.

But I'm satisfied with it and it does serve it's purpose.
 
But whether I'm their target or not, what they're doing is working for me quite well and I don't see what the target demographic has to do with this discussion.
Because ultimately the OP's decisions in this thread are being made because of FP+ and how it might affect both guests and WDW. With the new system, it makes far more sense to do short stints in the parks and move outside the parks for other activities. As you constantly remind everyone how great it is for you, it is also great for other people to "hit and run" with their FP+ reservations. There's not a wrong answer here.
 
Because ultimately the OP's decisions in this thread are being made because of FP+........
Mission accomplished, as this whole thread was likely just a way to poke at FP+ and Disney, if you ask me (not that anyone did). However, there were other larger factors involved in the Lake tribes move to other Orlando activities.
 
... With the new system, it makes far more sense to do short stints in the parks and move outside the parks for other activities. ...There's not a wrong answer here.

It may make sense for you, but I'm quite sure others don't agree. As you say, there's no wrong answer here. My issue is with whether LT's plan is really "more for less". It may be more for him, but he has said he's sharing this so others can profit from his knowledge. I'm questioning whether this is really a plan that would suit very many people. And I question whether it really is "more" or just a way to show you can go in the parks and not spend a lot of cash. In which case, it's not a new idea at all.

I still don't see what that has to do with who Disney's target market is...really, I'm lost on that one. If it works for LT and he has a great time- does he care if he's their target? Same for me- if what I do works, I could care less if I'm their target.
 
Mission accomplished, as this whole thread was likely just a way to poke at FP+ and Disney, if you ask me (not that anyone did). However, there were other larger factors involved in the Lake tribes move to other Orlando activities.

That's a nice way to look at it I guess. Our family has changed our vacation plans significantly because of FP+. Since we won't ever wait in long lines, and are pushed into less rides than before in a day at WDW, it makes sense, and saves us money to add more off-site activities. For us it will certainly save a ton of money while still being able to get enough Disney time even if we stay in expensive off-site hotels and eat at nice restaurants.

I still don't see what that has to do with who Disney's target market is...really, I'm lost on that one. If it works for LT and he has a great time- does he care if he's their target? Same for me- if what I do works, I could care less if I'm their target.

My intended joke was the idea that spending $0 in the parks isn't what WDW would really want. Didn't come across well, I guess.
 
I'm not upset at all. I'm actually excited to attempt this and apply what I've learned to another trip in June. What I don't understand is the hostility towards anyone who suggests doing something differently. That really isn't necessary, since nobody is forced to read any of these threads. I'm glad you enjoy your trips, and I'm going to do my best to enjoy mine.

It's probably because of the insulting way you address those who choose not to vacation your way. You can couch it in sarcasm, but it's insulting nonetheless and you mean for it to be:

"No problem, this obviously isn't for you and I can understand why it might be a painful read for you. Some people would rather pay premium prices to eat at WDW buffets that many compare to "Golden Colon" quality, pay 4 star prices for 2 star onsite accommodations, and never step foot outside the "bubble" for fear it might impact their emotional experience and because they've been told it takes forever to get anywhere else and you'll simply fall off the edge of that flat world anyway."

So in your opinion, people who choose to not visit attractions outside WDW are afraid to drive in traffic, think the world is flat, pay high prices for bad food, and pay top rates for bad hotels. In order words, they're stupid. And you want to say you're met with hostility?

Most everyone knows what your goal here is, you aren't really fooling too many people.
 
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