More FastPass+ Testing Coming This Month

[sweetpea29488]

I totally agree. With this system, does this mean that I will only get to ride two first level rides all day and then only two second level rides? If that's the case, why would anyone come? It also means that people will only be coming into the park for a few hours at a time. I mean, you're already considered lucky if you get two TSMM FPs in one day or three PPs. It also means that your stand by line times are going to go through the roof because you are forcing everyone into them.

I'm a little confused. Wouldn't you still have the stand by line?

 

[Brian Noble]

And likely for many, not being able to get a TSM FP -at all-

So, nothing's changed!

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[ghtx]

I'm a little confused. Wouldn't you still have the stand by line?

There will definitely still be standby lines. But I think it is unknown whether the traditional FPs will still be around, or whether the only option for FP that you will have is the FP+, booked in advance option.

 

[MouseEarsForAll]

According to Jim Hill, and based on the prior FP+ test, practically EVERY attraction will include FP.
Apparently, it almost marks the return of the E-ticket --- You'll be able to book a couple headlining attractions per day, and book a couple of secondary attractions.
So you can walk into the park with 4 scheduled fastpasses... but 2 of them would be for rides like Haunted Mansion and It's a Small World.

There is always such apprehension about change.
While I suspect the system may have pros and cons, and likely bugs to work out at first,
I also suspect that people will ultimately favor the new system.
Not having to run to collect fastpasses. Not having to worry about TSM FPs "selling out" by 11 am.
So being able to walk into Magic Kingdom, without running for Rope drop... and knowing you have a secured FPs for Big Thunder Mountain at 10:00 a.m., Haunted Mansion at 11:00 a.m., Dumbo at 12:00, and Space Mountain at 1:00 p.m., and the freedom to fill in the rest of the day with standby or traditional FPs.
Walking in to DHS, with TSM already secured for 1:00 p.m., Tower of Terror at 2:00 p.m., and additional passes for Backlot Tour and Great Movie ride.

I'm sure most people won't miss having to constantly run around and back track for FPs, for checking the clock to see when they can collect another FP, etc.

When FP was introduced, there were people who moaned that it would ruin the experience. But we didn't have such active internet message boards to amplify these concerns.

So, from what I'm understanding...

• You'll be able to "secure" 4 FPs a day...
• Two of those will be for "hot" attractions (TSM, Soarin')
• The other two will be for "cooler" attractions (Pooh, IASW)
• There will still be standby lines...

Have I done everything right? I might be changing my mind about this...I hope Jim Hill is right...

 

[GraceMonica]

This is giving me a headache.

 

[Robo]

They will reduce the number of conventional fastpasses available in the park by the number of fastpasses already reserved in the new system. The same number of total fastpasses. I suspect they will limit the reservations to reserve a certain minimum pool to still be available in the parks.

The numbers just don't work.

If this is a "big new system" and they don't have a significant number of FP's for E-ticket attractions...
even AVAILABLE for those who wish to reserve the E-ticket attractions, the system will not work.

So, they must take virtually ALL of the FP positions for (let's say) TSM in a given day for X-Pass.

If there ARE any "left" for walk-up guests... they will all be taken within...
What?

The first 60 minutes of the day?
The first 120 minutes of the day?

 

[MouseEarsForAll]

The numbers just don't work.

If this is a "big new system" and they don't have a significant number of FP's for E-ticket attractions...
even AVAILABLE for those who wish to reserve the E-ticket attractions, the system will not work.

So, they must take virtually ALL of the FP positions for (let's say) TSM in a given day for X-Pass.

If there ARE any "left" for walk-up guests... they will all be taken within...
What?

The first 60 minutes of the day?
The first 120 minutes of the day?

So, the FP as we know it will be removed?

 

[havoc315]

And likely for many, not being able to get a TSM FP -at all-
if they are not quick enough on the draw to reserve one
on the day(s) they are visiting DHS -something they most know well in advance-
and/or are not staying at the right "level" of resort.

Complexity: squared.

We don't know all the details. What we have is a combination of rumor, and reports from the first FP+ test.
Obviously, there will still be standby lines.
And many people already can't get FPs for TSM, because they simply don't arrive at the park on time.

So there are a couple of possibilities, depending on how the system is implemented:
FP+ (for onsite guests) is implemented alongside traditional FPs (for everyone) --- Since many TSM FPs will have already been distributed along the FP+ route, now traditional FPs will sell out by 10:00 am instead of 11:00 a.m.

OR
FP+ implemented for everyone, and they get rid of traditional FPs, in which case all people will basically get the same advantages and disadvantages. So just as it is now, if you don't plan out your day, you may be stuck in a standby line. That's already the case now -- The only change, is you might have to make plans a few weeks before your arrival, instead of being able to make a plan early that morning.

Either way, you aren't making massive negative changes for most guests. Many people already plan their parks weeks in advance (or months) due to ADRs.

 

[ghtx]

If there ARE any "left" for walk-up guests... they will all be taken within...
What?

The first 60 minutes of the day?
The first 120 minutes of the day?

Tell me why this is such a bad outcome. As it is now, to ride TSM without a huge wait I have to make it at RD, or at least early enough to get a FP before they're all out. With FP+, I can get a spot in advance and not have to do either option if I don't want to.

Now, FPs for TSM run out after several hours. Why is it such a travesty if they run out after one or two hours?

 

[Robo]

So, the FP as we know it will be removed?

I gave what I figured would be the case.

Take (at least) MOST of the current FP positions and make them "X-Pass Reserved" for a given day.

Any that are left...

Well, look at how quickly FP's for Soarin' , TSM, Space Mtn. are gone NOW...

What will happen if that number is cut down by, say, 80%?

 

[Robo]

Tell me why this is such a bad outcome. As it is now, to ride TSM without a huge wait I have to make it at RD, or at least early enough to get a FP before they're all out. With FP+, I can get a spot in advance and not have to do either option if I don't want to.

Now, FPs for TSM run out after several hours. Why is it such a travesty if they run out after one or two hours?

That is analogous to saying, "What's the travesty if you can't ride TSM?"

 

[gwmort]

I gave what I figured would be the case.

Take (at least) MOST of the current FP positions and make them "X-Pass Reserved" for a given day.

Any that are left...

Well, look at how quickly FP's for Soarin' , TSM, Space Mtn. are gone NOW...

What will happen if that number is cut down by, say, 80%?

Presumably some of the ones being taken NOW are used by guests staying on property. If those people already had them, they would be less inclined to run there first thing in the am and pull them, so the rate of distribution would be lower.

I am not saying some people wouldn't still show up at rope drop and pull even more than they reserved, but I don't think that would be typical, the extra time spent getting there early and running all over for the fastpass would probably negate the time saved by the fastpass.

 

[havoc315]

The most extreme FP situation is Toy Story Mania.

Current: Ride at Ropedrop, Get there in the first 1-2 hours, then make a dash for TSM, get in line just to use the FP machines, and then possibly collect a FP that you won't be able to use for 5-6 hours. Alternatively, long standby line.

Likely FP+ system: Ride at Ropedrop. Or get there in the first 30 minutes to make a mad dash for FPs. Or, reserve your ride weeks in advance. No need to arrive at the park hours before you want to ride TSM.

Imagine you want to just have an evening at Disney Hollywood Studios. Perhaps you want to have dinner and see Fantasmic. And, you'd like to ride TSM while you're there.
Current system: The only way to do it is to wait in a 60-120 minute standby line.
FP+ system: You'll be able to walk into the park with a 7pm TSM slot in your hand.

Not saying the new system won't be without negatives. Some people, in some situations, will undoubtedly face a negative impact. But I see the likelihood of far more pros than cons.

 

[ghtx]

That is analogous to saying, "What's the travesty if you can't ride TSM?"

I don't understand. As you've mentioned a bunch of times before, there is still the same number of total rides available at TSM per day. Any one person who can't ride because old-school FPs are sold out by 10 am is one additional person who can ride because of FP+.

Of course there are winners and losers (just like with old-school FP). I think overall this will be better, since for a lot of people (in particular people who like to pre-plan) it will reduce backtracking through the parks for FPs.

But I could be wrong.

 

[Robo]

Let's just say that I doubt that I, personally, will have a lot of trouble riding attractions under the new "system."
I kinda know my way around the place.

But, I'm not exactly a typical first time guest.

And, since Disney seems intent on concentrating their efforts on THEM...


Tick... tick... tick...

 

[theblondebee]

So, from what I'm understanding...


[*]You'll be able to "secure" 4 FPs a day...
[*]Two of those will be for "hot" attractions (TSM, Soarin')
[*]The other two will be for "cooler" attractions (Pooh, IASW)
[*]There will still be standby lines...


Have I done everything right? I might be changing my mind about this...I hope Jim Hill is right...

Seriously, is anyone going to waste a FP on IASW ?

 

[MouseEarsForAll]

I gave what I figured would be the case.

Take (at least) MOST of the current FP positions and make them "X-Pass Reserved" for a given day.

Any that are left...

Well, look at how quickly FP's for Soarin' , TSM, Space Mtn. are gone NOW...

What will happen if that number is cut down by, say, 80%?

Yow. See your point.

 

[Robo]

Seriously, is anyone going to waste a FP on IASW ?

First

time

guests.



Just the tip of the iceberg.

 

[gwmort]

Let's just say that I doubt that I, personally, will have a lot of trouble riding attractions under the new "system."
I kinda know my way around the place.

But, I'm not exactly a typical first time guest.

And, since Disney seems intent on concentrating their efforts on THEM...


Tick... tick... tick...

I think the new system will be better for first time guests.

The first time guests are less likely to know that they have to go to a park hours before they want to ride something, go to the ride and get a ticket to ride it later. It seems more likely they will be able to be informed of the new system on making their reservations and prepare better, run around less, and see more.

 

[MouseEarsForAll]

Seriously, is anyone going to waste a FP on IASW ?

I just needed an example.