MNNSHP- without ticket

[freediverdude]

Hi everybody-

I thought there were some other threads about this, like people were questioning how they're doing the opening of the MNNSHPs now, but I couldn't seem to find any of those old threads to resurrect and update, so I thought I would just post this to update people. Were those other threads deleted? LOL

Anyway, my co-worker, who agrees with me that they shouldn't let people just stay and watch the parade and fireworks at the parties, decided to do a little experiment this past week. She was there on vacation, and just stayed and watched the parade and fireworks without a ticket. I believe she said it was Thurs. Anyway, just to post an update on that. She did say, however, that there were castmembers posted at a lot of the shops, restaurants, and of course rides, not letting anyone into those without a wristband (although she went into Cosmic Ray's through another entrance and got away with it anyway). But she said that if she stayed in the Main Street and hub area, that nobody was asking anyone to leave who didn't have a wristband. So basically she got to see the parade and fireworks that I paid somewhere around 40 bucks to see. Now I'm wondering about the Christmas party, whether I should purchase a ticket again this year for that........

 

[Disney4Drew]

Hi everybody-

I thought there were some other threads about this, like people were questioning how they're doing the opening of the MNNSHPs now, but I couldn't seem to find any of those old threads to resurrect and update, so I thought I would just post this to update people. Were those other threads deleted? LOL

Anyway, my co-worker, who agrees with me that they shouldn't let people just stay and watch the parade and fireworks at the parties, decided to do a little experiment this past week. She was there on vacation, and just stayed and watched the parade and fireworks without a ticket. I believe she said it was Thurs. Anyway, just to post an update on that. She did say, however, that there were castmembers posted at a lot of the shops, restaurants, and of course rides, not letting anyone into those without a wristband (although she went into Cosmic Ray's through another entrance and got away with it anyway). But she said that if she stayed in the Main Street and hub area, that nobody was asking anyone to leave who didn't have a wristband. So basically she got to see the parade and fireworks that I paid somewhere around 40 bucks to see. Now I'm wondering about the Christmas party, whether I should purchase a ticket again this year for that........

Whether someone else "got away" with it or not wouldn't dictate what I do. I bought a ticket for MVMCP because that's what your supposed to do.

 

[karrit2000]

Whether someone else "got away" with it or not wouldn't dictate what I do. I bought a ticket for MVMCP because that's what your supposed to do.

Me too. However if they are not clearing the non-paying guest out before the Parade & the Fireworks and I see party crashers without wristbands, you can be sure that I will be complaining to Guest Relations. I'm paying big bucks to attend the party and I have a problem with freeloaders getting what I am paying extra for.

 

[AJKMOM]

Last year, it was too crowded even with the wristband regulations. I wouldn't go again, especially now. I felt it was a rip-off before.

 

[freediverdude]

I guess what I am wondering is, if they just let everybody linger around the main street area and hub and watch everything, what is the incentive for people to purchase a ticket? Some people who don't even know what's going on will probably stay and watch everything and not even realize they were supposed to have purchased a separate ticket. It doesn't make sense to me. Yes, we the people here on the DIS know what's going on and what we're supposed to do and what Disney intended, but I don't think Joe Q. Public does. Anyway, that's my two cents.....

 

[orljustin]

So basically she got to see the parade and fireworks that I paid somewhere around 40 bucks to see. Now I'm wondering about the Christmas party, whether I should purchase a ticket again this year for that........

You didn't pay $40 to see Fireworks and the Parade. You paid $40 for candy, 5 hours of ride time, access to restaurants, special characters, photo ops, etc. The Fireworks and Parade are a part of the package.

 

[DianeV]

Yes part of the "package"..the one the others didnt pay for

 

[p2oh]

At the party I attended on 9/22 they were most definetely checking wrist bands on Main Street, I saw a mother go ballistic because she was aked to leave because she didn't purchase herself a ticket. She bought one for earch of her four children and thought she didn't need one because she wasn't riding rides or trick or treating.

 

[TravelinGal]

I guess it all depends on the selfish theiving intent of the person. It is made clear the park is closing and CM were standing all around the park in bright orange shirts with the MNSSHP logo on them. Case and point - by Pecos Bills we headed up to Splash Mountain. We saw guest coming from the "mountain" area and the CM, upon seeing they did not have wrist bands on, directed them to the front of the park. (and there were other CM along the way to keep them moving) The people in the parks know full good and well that it is a special event and what time the park closes to the general public.

Therein comes the intent to steal from Disney or not. They follow the guidance given and depart or they try to sneak around. Those that choose to decieve and cheat are the ones that make it more expensive for the honest ones the next year. Just because some people did it 'successfully' does not justify anyone else doing it.

Besides - starting on Oct 15th they are now showing HalloWishes every night - not just on MNSSHP nights. (that kinda irritates me - first off, I wanted to see 2 different fireworks displays and second, I paid extra to see hallowishes and now everyone can see it.) That asside - there you go - HW is free, so don't STEAL and try to sneak around during the private event.

I try to be a reasonable person - I don't flame people who bought the resort mugs when they were "lifetime" use and still use them - they were told they were good for lifetime- so go for it! (But I do think it's wrong to use the new single trip use mug on your next trip - still don't flame them, but I do think it's wrong/stealing.) I don't even flame people who use children's dining credits for an adult CS (especially when they don't even give kids a freaking slice of pizza at PIZZAfari!). But stealing admission for a $40 event just burns me up.

 

[CindyBella]

I can tell you that just this past Thursday on 10/19. They were checking like crazy!! We were sitting on Main Street waiting for the parade. We were enjoying a little something from Casey's Corner when 2 very peppy CMs came by at seperate times and asked the crowd to show their wristbands! So twice, we raised our wrists.

I am all for wrist checks. If the guy next to me did not pay for the party and I did....I want him out of there!! There....I said it!

 

[Redbudlover]

I am confused! My understanding was that CMs don't ask people to leave the park - that people can stay for the parade and fireworks and eat at the restaurants, but that they cannot ride any of the rides??? I guess now that I think about it that if the park closes they will expect people to leave, but people often arrange an ADR to start at a park's closing time to avoid the mad rush of people leaving.

And I have to say - anyone who feels ripped off because the fireworks display is now available to all the common guests has got a bigger problem than he thinks. No one forced him to buy a ticket and no one made him more worthy than anyone else. Good grief - talkabout a non-disney attitude!

 

[Eoywin]

I am confused! My understanding was that CMs don't ask people to leave the park - that people can stay for the parade and fireworks and eat at the restaurants, but that they cannot ride any of the rides??? I guess now that I think about it that if the park closes they will expect people to leave, but people often arrange an ADR to start at a park's closing time to avoid the mad rush of people leaving.

And I have to say - anyone who feels ripped off because the fireworks display is now available to all the common guests has got a bigger problem than he thinks. No one forced him to buy a ticket and no one made him more worthy than anyone else. Good grief - talkabout a non-disney attitude!

Actually, it's my understand that if you don't have a wristband, you aren't suppose to be in the park. It's a hard ticket event, meaning that only people who have tickets are truly allowed in the part at that time.

No 'common' guests should be in the park, and if they, they are essentially stealing from Disney.

You should know all the facts before posting.

 

[Redbudlover]

Actually, it's my understand that if you don't have a wristband, you aren't suppose to be in the park. It's a hard ticket event, meaning that only people who have tickets are truly allowed in the part at that time.

No 'common' guests should be in the park, and if they, they are essentially stealing from Disney.

You should know all the facts before posting.

You should read the post - I didn't say I knew the facts. I SAID it was my understanding...

 

[tjmw2727]

I am confused! My understanding was that CMs don't ask people to leave the park - that people can stay for the parade and fireworks and eat at the restaurants, but that they cannot ride any of the rides??? I guess now that I think about it that if the park closes they will expect people to leave, but people often arrange an ADR to start at a park's closing time to avoid the mad rush of people leaving.

And I have to say - anyone who feels ripped off because the fireworks display is now available to all the common guests has got a bigger problem than he thinks. No one forced him to buy a ticket and no one made him more worthy than anyone else. Good grief - talkabout a non-disney attitude!

Not quite, the parties are an after hours hard ticket event and you must have a ticket to get the wristband and stay for the event. This includes parades and fireworks. This is unlike lingering a bit after the park closes to avoid the rush when there is nothing going on. In addition the parade and fireworks times are a few hours after official park closing so it would be obvious to someone without a ticket they shouldn't be there.

During the party on 10/2 it was very obvious that the park closed at 7 and anyone wishing to remain must purchase the ticket. The were quite actively clearing the park to day guests. The CM's were checking wristbands at every popcorn/icecream stand, store, ride and restaurant. My youngest dd had sleeves that kept sliding down and covering her wrist band so was often asked to show it. We were also asked to to the wrist band hi five twice while waiting for the parade but the CM's were kind and made it a game of sorts.

I didn't seen anyone without a wristband but wasn't really looking either. Honestly I would be dissapointed it many were getting for free what I had paid for.

OTOH, I don't mind them doing Hallowishes on regular park days - they do this at Christmas as well and IMHO its only one part of the party.

I imagine in the OP's case if it were one person it could be gotten away with but probably not often and probably not with a family. I can't even imagine the stress involved!!

TJ

 

[Eoywin]

You should read the post - I didn't say I knew the facts. I SAID it was my understanding...

Well, you shouldn't condemn people for an 'Un-Disney like' attitude if you don't know all the facts.

I think people have the right to be upset with gatecrashers, after paying as much as it costs to get into MNSSHP.

 

[mickeyluv'r]

Eowin - that seems a little harsh.

Yes, it's possible to get an ADR at park closing, or close to park closing. So yeah, after your meal is done, you'd leave the park. Indeed, if you have an ADR for 9pm at say, Crystal Palace, I'm betting you have to wait past nine until you're seated.

I don't see why anyone would be bothered by this. You are allowed to do this on any given night at WDW. If WDw allows guests to have ADR's close to park closing, then they are certianly willing to have them walk through that part of the park after their meal.

In fact, they often keep the shops on Main St open after park closing.

Personally, I also don't think the idea of a few extra parade watchers is something to get upset over, assuming that's about all they can do. As far as I've ever seen, if you don't have the required bracelet, you can't go on any of the rides, and WDW has always enforced that.
Generally, on regular park nights - we don't even watch the parade. Yeah, we watched it during the MVMCP, but that's only cause it was something supposedly special. It's not like they don't run the parade twice each night, so there's plenty of opportunity to watch the parade. It's just a parade anyhow.

 

[NewEnglandDisney]

And I have to say - anyone who feels ripped off because the fireworks display is now available to all the common guests has got a bigger problem than he thinks. No one forced him to buy a ticket and no one made him more worthy than anyone else. Good grief - talkabout a non-disney attitude!

Uh, what if EVERYONE did that?

What if everyone felt entitled to hang out in the park during the party, taking up space in viewing areas for parades and fireworks?

It's not about "I'm selfish and I don't want anyone else to see the magic!", it's "I paid to get in to this event, and non-paying guests are taking up space and making it harder for me and my family, paying guests, to see the attractions". Have you ever lined up for a busy parade, or tried to get a good spot in front of the castle for the fireworks? The more people, the more difficult it is.

Saying "no one made him more worthy" simply isn't true; let's say there is a rock concert. What makes people more worthy to go than others? Those that buy the tickets get a license to attend, it has nothing to do with "worthy", it has to do with who paid for the ticket and is authorized to be there.

That story above about the mother freaking out because she didn't buy herself a ticket is ridiculous. Do you just show up to the MK with a kid on a normal day and say, "Gee, I'm not going to do much, so I'm just going to pay the child's price for him. Okay?" I mean, how crazy are some people. You buy a ticket, you get in. You don't buy a ticket, you don't.

Again, it's not about begrudging others the experience. It's about the fact that part of this experience is the limited nature of tickets, and the additional shows, etc. take this into account. A line simply needs to be drawn. You can't say, "well, if it's only a few people it doesn't matter...", because eventually it would be more and more people as it became the "norm".

It's really sad that Disney has to pay CM's all night to be policing people, because it isn't very magical and I'd rather those CM's be able to do things to increase the magic instead. Unfortunately, too many people have tried to steal the experience instead of rightfully paying for their ticket, and now it's necessary. I'll help them in any way I can, because if there is one thing I can't stand, it's freeloaders who try to get something for nothing. If someone can't afford it, wait until you can.

NED

 

[tjmw2727]

Eowin - that seems a little harsh.

Yes, it's possible to get an ADR at park closing, or close to park closing. So yeah, after your meal is done, you'd leave the park. Indeed, if you have an ADR for 9pm at say, Crystal Palace, I'm betting you have to wait past nine until you're seated.

I don't see why anyone would be bothered by this. You are allowed to do this on any given night at WDW. If WDw allows guests to have ADR's close to park closing, then they are certianly willing to have them walk through that part of the park after their meal.

In fact, they often keep the shops on Main St open after park closing.

Personally, I also don't think the idea of a few extra parade watchers is something to get upset over, assuming that's about all they can do. As far as I've ever seen, if you don't have the required bracelet, you can't go on any of the rides, and WDW has always enforced that.
Generally, on regular park nights - we don't even watch the parade. Yeah, we watched it during the MVMCP, but that's only cause it was something supposedly special. It's not like they don't run the parade twice each night, so there's plenty of opportunity to watch the parade. It's just a parade anyhow.

ITA, - for the most part. I do want to point out, that in my experience on hard ticket nights you have to have a ticket to be seated for an ADR at or near regular park closing. I do agree that having a few people in the park without tickets just after closing isn't a big deal but I don't think its fair to compare it to lingering during a regular closing either.

Also during the party we attended wrist bands were required to shop and eat as well as ride and watch the parade.

TJ

 

[Eoywin]

Eowin - that seems a little harsh.

I don't think it's harsh. I think people have the right to be upset if they are paying for a priviledge that others haven't. Those people who try to stay in the park without paying are thieves, plain and simple.

Plus, I don't think it's a good idea to condemn people, especially when you admit you don't know the facts.

 

[Karnak]

I am confused! My understanding was that CMs don't ask people to leave the park - that people can stay for the parade and fireworks and eat at the restaurants ...

I'm not so sure of the restaurant comment. When I asked for a dinner reservation (on the phone) at Tony's for 6:30 pm on a Christmas Party date, the CM said none were to be had. But when I mentioned that I had a ticket for the Party, he said he could (and did), make my reservation.

In other words, I doubt that one could make a reservation without a ticket at or near time for the park to close for the general public. Perhaps one could get away with eating at a counter service spot. Don't know about that.

Enjoy.