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The purchase just needs to occur at the time you're making the reservation that requires them.

You don’t need to have no points left. You do need to be making a reservation that uses them to buy them and that reservation date must be less than 7 months away.

OTUP through MMB is a good deal. Often I book a DVC trip months before we buy airfare. Sometimes we’ll add a day to get much cheaper flights and need somewhere to sleep that first or last night. With up to 24 OTUPs at basically $10 each I’d feel much better about taking whatever DVC has left at 3 or 4 months out. I value my points over $16 each and wouldn’t love booking a single SSR pref studio night for 19pts on Sat but at $200 it’s likely the best onsite value at that point.

You could also work this OTUP deal to stretch your points further as long as you have a way to use them within 7 month availability. Say I just want to book 2 nights for my sister from FL to join us in a separate room. Instead of borrowing all those points from my next UY, I might find 2 nights at AKL for 30pts and call member services to make that reservation using 6 of my existing points and 24 OTUP for $240. Sweet! She’ll be staying at AKL for under $175/nt.
You do need to have no points in the current use year. And you can only purchase the number of points needed to complete the reservation. Read the DVC website page on this topic. I’ve purchased several times, including this year.
 
Current rules don’t allow you to buy if you have your own points in the current use year.

https://disneyvacationclub.disney.go.com/faq/add-on-one-time-use-points/how-to
I don’t see that on that page.

If that is the case (it is not), you could just book something then later cancel. Just make sure it’s before banking date (and 30+ days out to avoid holding) if you didn’t plan to use the points until next UY. Not a bad idea if you’re planning a big trip next year and want to pad your available points with 24 $10 points (use them toward trip this year so you have more to bank for the bigger trip).

Putting these OTUP to use every year is like adding up to 24 points on your contract for $240 or less each year. Much cheaper than adding on a small contract if you kept finding yourself having slightly less points than you’d like.
 
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3) Disney knows their theme park business better than anyone. No their decision-making isn’t infallible. But when it comes to consumer spending data…they’re holding all the cards. And we have none. For that reason alone, I have a tough time buying into the idea that we know better than Disney.

Well.....(cough)...Galactic Starcruiser....(cough)...
You bolded the wrong sentence. Fixed it for you.
 
Want the long list of ticket specials they have had over the last few years?

Sure, hit me. We’ve got the rigidly-structured summer 2024 promo which limited buyers to visiting each of the four parks just once, with no option to add park hopping. (Should we segue into debating whether a cheaper ticket with heavy restrictions is more or less preferable to a more flexible ticket with a modest discount?)

And the perpetual military salute tickets—which just happen to target one of Disney’s own tenants (DOD) and are more PR campaign than business driver.

What other recurring ticket discounts do they offer, particularly to groups who make up 20-25% of on-site guests at WDW at any given time?

Look, I’m not questioning Disney’s willingness to occasionally discount to a variety of groups for a variety of reasons. I’m questioning the broad declarations that pretty much any better WDW MMB ticket program would still be a win for Disney. It is what it is. MMB hasn’t even begun yet. I fully expect them to evaluate results in the coming years and consider more attractive offers if it’s viewed as a net positive gain.
 
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You do need to have no points in the current use year. And you can only purchase the number of points needed to complete the reservation. Read the DVC website page on this topic. I’ve purchased several times, including this year.
I don’t see anything about having to be out of all points to purchase OTUP or the OTUP going into holding if canceled on that link.

What it says:
  • In the event that your trip does not unfold as planned and your reservation must be cancelled, be aware that one-time-use Vacation Points expire at the end of your Use Year.
 
You do need to have no points in the current use year. And you can only purchase the number of points needed to complete the reservation. Read the DVC website page on this topic. I’ve purchased several times, including this year.
Like @Genie+ stated I do not see that in the FAQ section.

OTUP are designed to help families book something when they do not have enough points to do so. That means you could have 0 and buy enough for a night at a cabin or you could have 26 points but in order to stay one more night in a one bedroom at Aulani in June you would need 24 more points to make that happen.

OTUP follow the same rules for holding and if your reservation is canceled at 30 days they will go in holding. If you cancel at 31+ days they return to you and you can still use them in the use year you purchased them in as OTUP can not be banked.
 
You can currently only buy OTUP at 7 months or less, and only if you have no points left in the current use year, and only the number of points needed to make the reservation.
You might have your facts on this a bit wrong or maybe just outdated if it used to be like that? You definitely do not have to have zero points in your current UY. I purchased in June this year, had plenty of points in my 2024 UY at that time and had no trouble having them book a night at Grand Cal for us in September. The reservation required like 40 something points so I purchased the 24 I could and just used the rest of my own. They didn’t even question it. Did something similar last year.
If you cancel a reservation, the OTUP go into the holding account and can only be used 30 days out. So how are all these members going to just buy 24 each year and roll 24 regular points? You can’t buy if you still have points to roll. And even if not, how many times are you exactly 24 points short?
The points only go into holding if you cancel them within 30 days of the reservation, just like normal rules (also, not the point here, but holding restrictions give you a 60 day window to use them, not 30 days). Otherwise, the only restriction with OTUP is that they are not bankable and will expire at the end of the UY you purchased in. That same VGC reservation I had them make, I ended up canceling a week later as our plans changed. No issue, I was able to add/swap something around use them for our upcoming December trip.

It’s more flexible than people realize, I guess.
 
Maybe but last I knew CMs got only 10% discounts.

I just wanted to point out that they may have other reasons why they will give military special priced tickets when they wouldn’t other subsets like DVC.

Agreed, part of it is simply "good will" which is hard to quantify in terms of profit. It definitely helps in profit, but not easy to measure.

But the part that is measurable: Ideally, but generally not really possible, you want to charge each individual guest the most they are willing to pay. If you have 100 tickets, and you have only 10 people willing to pay $1,000 per ticket, you sell 10 $1,000 tickets..
Then you have another 50 people willing to pay $500 per ticket, so you sell another 50 at $500. Yet, you still have 40 more tickets you can sell..... but no longer have anyone willing to pay $500... but you have 40+ people willing to pay $100, so you sell those at $100.

Now, practically speaking, it's hard to realize this ideal profit scenario. Those people that are willing to pay $1,000 -- would still rather be $100. (What companies like Disney do, is create premium product variations to give those free spenders an opportunity to spend that entire $1,000... like Premier Pass, park hoppers.... extra more room seats on airlines.. iphones with more memory than anyone would ever need on the device).

But there are still other ways to move towards this price segmentation. And the military discount is part of that -- Unsurprisingly, military members may have lower budgets than many other Disney guests. You're not selling out all your tickets at "full price." But if you cut the price for everyone, then you won't capture the "full price" for those that can afford to pay it, and are willing to pay it.
So you target a discount to a subgroup of the population. Preferably, a subgroup that are unwilling or unable to pay "full price."

And thus, the profitability of those military tickets -- it sells "excess tickets" at a discount, without having to offer that discount to everyone. It's why they sell party tickets at a discount to DVC members -- and also why that discount keeps getting smaller as the parties sell out more often. If they sell out a full price, then no reason to offer anyone a discount. If they aren't selling out, then you can try to increase sales without sacrificing profit, by offering a lower price to just a subgroup of customers.

Smart DVC promotions work similarly -- What are things/prices that DVC members are less willing to pay for than other guests, and target a discount to those specific thing. I gave the dining plan as an example -- DVC members are low adopters of expensive dining plans, given they have at least kitchenettes in their units.

My gut tells me that the MMB team thought up the 5-day weekday ticket as a possible discount program, and then went to the ticket teams, finance teams, etc.... and it was far from finalized when they announced the program. My gut tells me if they had worked in the other order, gone to the ticket and finance teams first, and said, "can you give us some good promotions to give a select DVC members that are willing to pay an annual fee" -- My guess is the ticket and finance teams could have come up with something with greater perceived value. Might be something entirely different than a 5-day weekday ticket, but something.
 
Sure, hit me. We’ve got the rigidly-structured summer 2024 promo which limited buyers to visiting each of the four parks just once, with no option to add park hopping. (Should we segue into debating whether a cheaper ticket with heavy restrictions is more or less preferable to a more flexible ticket with a modest discount?)

Think you just proved my point. The MMB ticket is heavily restricted -- No weekend use, must be exactly a 5 day ticket. To me, the MMB ticket is far more restricted -- Useless for those that are not visiting for a minimum of 5 weekdays.
The 4 park ticket was useful to anyone staying 4 or more days, whether those days were weekends or weekdays.

So yes, that "rigidly structured" summer 2024 promo is a far far better deal --- Yes, it's a restricted ticket. But at a significantly discounted price.
While the MMB ticket is restricted even worse, but without the significant discount.

 
You have to read the entire page on OTUP. It starts out stating that your situation is that you want to make a reservation but you are a few points short. You can’t buy OTUP currently unless you have no points in your current use year. Not sure if there is an exception if you own multiple contracts with different use year and thus different accounts when booking, but otherwise you have to have used all your current year points and can only buy the number you need to complete the reservation. I have purchased multiple times, including this year. I do have OTUP right now in my holding account because we had to cancel due to a family emergency.
 
You are allowed up to 24 per UY. You can purchase them as many times as you want to make reservations until you reach 24. So, you could buy 5 today and two months from now buy another 10, etc.
What do people think about the max OTUP allowable? Is it linked to membership number (as @Sandisw states above, “per UY”)?

Thus people with two UYs can purchase two MMBs and have access to 48 OTUPs per year?

Someone I saw on the rofr thread recently has 6 UYs…!

I hope this is the case.
 
I am underwhelmed by the Magic Beyond offering. I just wanted to be able to buy the Pixie Pass. This is a little like that, but not. My guess is that Disney figures if you have enough $$ to shell out to buy DVC, you have enough $$ to shell out for unreduced or slightly reduced prices on things like tickets. Those of us who bought years ago when the price was much more reasonable may be happy keeping our memberships and just going to the resort and not shelling out for those things, like we have. But that’s likely a small minority. However, if we have grandkids in the future we may be back to shelling out as well.
 
You have to read the entire page on OTUP. It starts out stating that your situation is that you want to make a reservation but you are a few points short. You can’t buy OTUP currently unless you have no points in your current use year. Not sure if there is an exception if you own multiple contracts with different use year and thus different accounts when booking, but otherwise you have to have used all your current year points and can only buy the number you need to complete the reservation. I have purchased multiple times, including this year. I do have OTUP right now in my holding account because we had to cancel due to a family emergency.
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Think you just proved my point. The MMB ticket is heavily restricted -- No weekend use, must be exactly a 5 day ticket. To me, the MMB ticket is far more restricted -- Useless for those that are not visiting for a minimum of 5 weekdays.
And the 4 park ticket was limited to one visit per park with no ability to upgrade to park hopping. Those are absolute non-starters to many, many guests.

They both have restrictions. You personally like one set of restrictions better than the other. Others see it differently.
 
And the 4 park ticket was limited to one visit per park with no ability to upgrade to park hopping. Those are absolute non-starters to many, many guests.

Absolutely. And a 5-day weekday only ticket is a non-starter to even more guests, who either need weekends or need more/less than 5 days.
The 4 day ticket worked for any length of vacation, no matter which day of the week your vacation started on, as long as you were ok with just 4 days in the parks. You could have a Thursday through Monday vacation, a Monday through Friday vacation, etc, etc.
The 5-day ticket only works if you are there for 5 weekdays, and those are the exact 5 days you want to spend in the parks.

They both have restrictions. You personally like one set of restrictions better than the other. Others see it differently.

Absolutely -- different restrictions work differently for different people. But the fact remains -- They are both heavily restricted and would be non-starters for many guests. The 4 day ticket would work for any guest in terms of time frame, as long as they only want 4 days without parkhopping. The 5 day ONLY works for guests who are there for 5 weekdays and want exactly a 5 day ticket. One of the restricted tickets is heavily restricted and receives a good sized discount. The other ticket is heavily restricted and receives a minimal so-called discount.
 
I do have OTUP right now in my holding account because we had to cancel due to a family emergency.
Sorry about the emergency but the only reason the OTUP were in holding was because a reservation was cancelled less than 31 days away from your arrival. The same would happen with any normal banked, borrowed or use year points.
 
What do people think about the max OTUP allowable? Is it linked to membership number (as @Sandisw states above, “per UY”)?

Thus people with two UYs can purchase two MMBs and have access to 48 OTUPs per year?

Someone I saw on the rofr thread recently has 6 UYs…!

I hope this is the case.

When o read the T and C for this program, the person is going to be allowed to take advantage if the deal once.

So, if you have more than one UY, it’s not going to unlock the benefit in all of them…unless I am reading it wrong

However, the owner would still be be to buy OTU points based on the regular rules.

As I posted earlier, there would be a way to unlock more, depending on what Disney allows.

For example, both DH and I buy…he uses his benefit in the Dec UY and I do it in June UY…

But, until we get that clarification, we don’t know if this will actually be allowed.
 
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