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Just talked to MS and they are very confident in the OTUP being able to be purchased regardless of how many points you currently have in your UY. In other words, you don’t have to be at zero points or even need the 24 OTUP to complete the reservation. Also-they confirmed that the points will go back into your account (not holding) if cancelled outside of the 31 day window.
What they weren’t confident in is if someone can buy two MMB and therefore buy two sets of the 24 OTUP.
 
You have to read the entire page on OTUP. It starts out stating that your situation is that you want to make a reservation but you are a few points short. You can’t buy OTUP currently unless you have no points in your current use year. Not sure if there is an exception if you own multiple contracts with different use year and thus different accounts when booking, but otherwise you have to have used all your current year points and can only buy the number you need to complete the reservation. I have purchased multiple times, including this year. I do have OTUP right now in my holding account because we had to cancel due to a family emergency.

Just to clarify, many of us have been allowed to buy OTU points when we have current UY points available.

Also, you only end up with holding when you cancel less than 31 days out…that applies to OTU or your own points.

If you cancel a trip made with OTU points more than 31 days out, they go back into your account with no holding restriction…but they do expire at the end of the UY of the trip.

I bought some last year since I was booking less than 7 months out and wanted to save my own points for an 11 month booking. No issue at all.
 
Just talked to MS and they are very confident in the OTUP being able to be purchased regardless of how many points you currently have in your UY. In other words, you don’t have to be at zero points or even need the 24 OTUP to complete the reservation. Also-they confirmed that the points will go back into your account (not holding) if cancelled outside of the 31 day window.
What they weren’t confident in is if someone can buy two MMB and therefore buy two sets of the 24 OTUP.

Just to clarify…it wouldn’t be the same owner buying int MMB….it would have to be two different owners but who each are on multiple UYs.

The program is per person. Thr question is really whether owners in the same household can each buy and the bet the OTU BOGO free benefit in more than one of their UYs…see my example above.
 
Absolutely. And a 5-day weekday only ticket is a non-starter to even more guests...
I don't know how you can claim to have reached that conclusion. And that's probably why we are just spinning our wheels here.

Personally I have zero interest in a ticket that forces me to one park per day over any 4-day span. You have no interest in a weekday ticket. I get that. But checking my bias at the door, I have no idea which approach is more or less appealing to hundreds-of-thousands of DVC owners.
 

Just to clarify, many of us have been allowed to buy OTU points when we have current UY points available.

Also, you only end up with holding when you cancel less than 31 days out…that applies to OTU or your own points.

If you cancel a trip made with OTU points more than 31 days out, they go back into your account with no holding restriction…but they do expire at the end of the UY of the trip.

I bought some last year since I was booking less than 7 months out and wanted to save my own points for an 11 month booking. No issue at all.
I concur. Just bought a few today and didn't exhaust my UY pts yet. I have plans for that 👹
 
Just to clarify…it wouldn’t be the same owner buying int MMB….it would have to be two different owners but who each are on multiple UYs.

The program is per person. Thr question is really whether owners in the same household can each buy and the bet the OTU BOGO free benefit in more than one of their UYs…see my example above.
Exactly what I was saying that MS told me. You just said it better or at least clearer. She said they might not really have that answer until the first day it goes on sale. Regardless, I’m for sure going to buy MMB to get the BOGO 24 pts and have a 3 day, weekday, stay at DL that my wife and I can take advantage of.
 
I don't know how you can claim to have reached that conclusion. And that's probably why we are just spinning our wheels here.

Because the 4 day ticket is feasible for any guest staying 4 or more days. Regardless of check-in day.

Let's say you want to 6 days worth of tickets: A 6 day in the middle of April 2025 would be $753. A 2 day ticket would be $330.
So you could buy the 4 day promotional ticket, PLUS a 2 day ticket -- Get 6 days for $730, and it would STILL be cheaper than buying a regular 6-day ticket. The only thing you lose is the ability to buy parkhopper. (and most guests don't buy park hopper).
For the record, for 5 and 7 day tickets, it would be cheaper to just buy the ticket.
But you can save money on a 4 day or 6 day ticket, regardless of when you check in.

Now, let's check the 5 day ticket for the same April dates. Only planning on staying 4 days, then the 5 day ticket is worthless. Want 6 days of of tickets?
Well, I picked April dates that would give the MMB offer the biggest advantage -- Dates with an actual 10% off -- So the MMB is $635. But, if I want 6 days-- it would be another $184 to add that extra Magic Kingdom date. A total of $819 -- So even with the maximum 10% discount, that 5 day ticket is useless if you want to add extra days. It's obviously useless if you want to stay less than 5 days.
If you are staying 5-6 days -- It's useless if your check-in date is Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday or Saturday. It's also useless for 5 day vacations with a check-in date of Sunday. So for 5 day vacations, it's only useful if you check in on Sunday night/Monday morning. It would be useless for any other check-in date. For 6 day vacations, it would only be useful if your check-in is Sat/Sun or Monday morning.
For example, if your flight gets in on Friday evening, and it's a 6 day trip -- It means your 6 on-property days are Sat/Sun/Mon/Tue/Wed/Thur --- Only 4 weekdays.

You dislike that you can't add park hopper. The minority of guests add park hopper. But a ticket is not useless without park hopper -- Again, the majority of guests don't add park hopper.

On the other hand, the 5 day ticket is literally useless on weekends. So if your vacation window does not include 5 weekdays, then the ticket is indeed useless. And the majority of vacations do not include 5 weekdays. (I seem to remember reading a few years ago some data that the average on-property stay was 5 nights.. obviously some people longer, some shorter).

So in conclusion: The 4 day ticket is feasible for any guest staying 4 or more days, regardless of check in day.
The 5 day MMB ticket is feasible for any guest staying 7 or more days, OR guests staying 5-6 days -- But only with limited check-in days.

Pretty obvious that the option #1 is less limiting than option #2.

Personally I have zero interest in a ticket that forces me to one park per day over any 4-day span. You have no interest in a weekday ticket. I get that. But checking my bias at the door, I have no idea which approach is more or less appealing to hundreds-of-thousands of DVC owners.
 
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Just to clarify…it wouldn’t be the same owner buying int MMB….it would have to be two different owners but who each are on multiple UYs.

The program is per person. Thr question is really whether owners in the same household can each buy and the bet the OTU BOGO free benefit in more than one of their UYs…see my example above.
So the best practice is to make a reservation at 7m out from your UY at any resort that has a room for 24 points, cancel the reservation, and then use however you see best. (Including swapping out with any other reservation made at 7m)?
 
Because the 4 day ticket is feasible for any guest staying 4 or more days. Regardless of check-in day.

Let's say you want to 6 days worth of tickets: A 6 day in the middle of April 2025 would be $753. A 2 day ticket would be $330.
So you could buy the 4 day promotional ticket, PLUS a 2 day ticket -- Get 6 days for $730, and it would STILL be cheaper than buying a regular 6-day ticket. The only thing you lose is the ability to buy parkhopper. (and most guests don't buy park hopper).
For the record, for 5 and 7 day tickets, it would be cheaper to just buy the ticket.
But you can save money on a 4 day or 6 day ticket, regardless of when you check in.

Now, let's check the 5 day ticket for the same April dates. Only planning on staying 4 days, then the 5 day ticket is worthless. Want 6 days of of tickets?
Well, I picked April dates that would give the MMB offer the biggest advantage -- Dates with an actual 10% off -- So the MMB is $635. But, if I want 6 days-- it would be another $184 to add that extra Magic Kingdom date. A total of $819 -- So even with the maximum 10% discount, that 5 day ticket is useless if you want to add extra days. It's obviously useless if you want to stay less than 5 days.
If you are staying 5-6 days -- It's useless if your check-in date is Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday or Saturday. It's also useless for 5 day vacations with a check-in date of Sunday. So for 5 day vacations, it's only useful if you check in on Sunday night/Monday morning. It would be useless for any other check-in date. For 6 day vacations, it would only be useful if your chceck
You are completely discounting that people could just make the weekend resort only days. So for a Wend to Wend trip you could do Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Monday, Tuesday as park days.
 
So the best practice is to make a reservation at 7m out from your UY at any resort that has a room for 24 points, cancel the reservation, and then use however you see best. (Including swapping out with any other reservation made at 7m)?
That is exactly what I do.

December use year I call on May 1 and ask to buy 24 OTUP for a 1 BR at VB at exactly 24 points.

I then cancel and then I have the points for any 7 month booking from Dec-Nov 30th
 
You are completely discounting that people could just make the weekend resort only days. So for a Wend to Wend trip you could do Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Monday, Tuesday as park days.

No they can’t, unless their trip is 7 days. That does not work for any trip under 7 days.

I don’t discount anything— my exact words:

“The 5 day MMB ticket is feasible for any guest staying 7 or more days, OR guests staying 5-6 days -- But only with limited check-in days.”
 
No they can’t, unless their trip is 7 days. That does not work for any trip under 7 days.

I don’t discount anything— my exact words:

“The 5 day MMB ticket is feasible for any guest staying 7 or more days, OR guests staying 5-6 days -- But only with limited check-in days.”
I think your posts have more fine print than the MMB….

The point that it’s not a “deal” for everyone at WDW has been made.
 
Interesting. We were allowed to get them.
That is interesting. Whenever I have gotten them, the CM either checked to see that all my points were used by the reservation, or had to put me on hold to check with a supervisor to make sure everything checked out. And again, I could only purchase what I needed for the reservation. Again, if they are changing this with the Magical Extras, which they could, it would make a difference.

Did you also notice that if you have bought OTUP it puts them under a Disneyland Villas contract and then when you search your 11 month window, that comes up? You can click on a stay, but once you click to reserve it you get an error. But it puts the points for OTU under the Disneyland contract.
 
Did you also notice that if you have bought OTUP it puts them under a Disneyland Villas contract and then when you search your 11 month window, that comes up? You can click on a stay, but once you click to reserve it you get an error. But it puts the points for OTU under the Disneyland contract.
No it puts the points from wherever they have available points. Currently I have Grand Cal points but I have had others such as AKL and OKW as well.

It does show up as a contract but OTUP are to be used at 7 months so there is no 11 month booking even though that is where the points are from.

I would love to have used my VGC OTUP at 11 months instead of hoping to switch from VDH on a waitlist…..
 
I think your posts have more fine print than the MMB….

I’m just pointing out the implicit MMB fine print. It’s an exceptionally limited offering.

The point that it’s not a “deal” for everyone at WDW has been made.

Yes. You were the one who asked me to explain my conclusion that it was such a bad deal. I think we have now established, that it’s only a “deal” for a very small subset of guests. If you fall into this small subset, that is good for you.
 
No it puts the points from wherever they have available points. Currently I have Grand Cal points but I have had others such as AKL and OKW as well.

It does show up as a contract but OTUP are to be used at 7 months so there is no 11 month booking even though that is where the points are from.

I would love to have used my VGC OTUP at 11 months instead of hoping to switch from VDH on a waitlist…..
You can’t actually use those points for 11 month, but they automatically show when I search 11 month availability.

So, if they keep the you can only buy OTUP when you have to use them, if my current use year is down to 45, and I want to use to renew a sorcerer pass and ‘need’ 65, would that be a need that allowed me to purchase 20 and then renew with them???
 
You can’t actually use those points for 11 month, but they automatically show when I search 11 month availability.

So, if they keep the you can only buy OTUP when you have to use them, if my current use year is down to 45, and I want to use to renew a sorcerer pass and ‘need’ 65, would that be a need that allowed me to purchase 20 and then renew with them???
Because if so, in that case I could roll all but 45 and then buy the rest as OTUP two for one and renew.
 
So, if they keep the you can only buy OTUP when you have to use them, if my current use year is down to 45, and I want to use to renew a sorcerer pass and ‘need’ 65, would that be a need that allowed me to purchase 20 and then renew with them???
Based on the website provided earlier the answer would be no. OTUP can only be used for accommodations.
 
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