LOVE or HATE FP+ Anyone's mind been changed ??

[lauradis]

I certainly wasn't trying to insult anyone. When I said "that don't care" I meant anyone who doesn't care about the loss of legacy or care about the difference between it and legacy or whatever, educated or otherwise. I'm amazed at how much fuss over words pops up in these threads.

By the way, I don't believe that LT mean to insult anyone either.

Most of us liked legacy, but you know what most of realize we don't have any power over what Disney does.

If we still want to go we have to find a way to work it best for our individual families.

Period...... End of story.

Lt is just frustrated legacy was awesome and it was great time, but it's over.

 

[perditax]

Had my first experience with FP+ today. My experience is probably abnormal; it was raining and the crowds were a bit thin for a Saturday, I suspect. I had gotten a set of three for BTMRR, HM and Space Mountain starting at a window of 10:20. The problem was that it worked too well. I thought with crowds and walking and lines that the three hour window MDE had given me for the three rides would be about right, but even sleeping late ish, walking from the parking lot/skipping tram and moseying, we were still five minutes early for BTM. Walked right on. Skipped POTC because I've read too many horror stories, and we were way too early for our HM fastpass. Which was fine, because the standby line was only 15 min and moved fast. By the time we got out of there it wasn't even 11, and our last fastpass window didn't open till 12. So we stopped by BOG and were able to walk right in for lunch (which means, hilariously, that I will have to pay a cancellation fee for the 1:45pm ADR I was so excited to get back when I thought the park would take all day.) after lingering over lunch and walking slowly, still too early for our final fastpass at space mountain, although it was noon and the standby line was only ten minutes. That can't be normal, right?

Part of the problem is that for smaller rides that we could have used as fillers, like People Mover or smaller rides in Fantasy Land, the lines were much much longer.

Short version: I liked walking onto headliners, that was sweet. Smaller rides seemed to suffer. Timing overall was made very weird and cumbersome.

 

[flicx]

I see the collation between universal and Disney uptake in guest. So not comparing them would be silly. If universal builds a new attraction, like HP then crowded volume for Disney may go up too. Which if you look at the increase after HP, then yes Universal has impacted Disney s crowds. Longer lines and less fp+ to go around. etc.

Higher demand, higher prices. economics 101.

Do you know of a corp that isn't money hungry.

I wish Disney would follow the pattern that universal has set in recent years. It used to be what Disney did and did well, build new attractions and parks. Always bringing in something new. Universal probably is responsible for a portion of Disney's uptick. I think they have taken the ball and ran with it. Meanwhile Disney is just interested in basically cutting back what the customer receives while steadily increasing price. One thing that can't be argued. The last decade is the absolute worst for building new attractions at Walt Disney world. As far as the simple economics lesson higher demand higher prices theory goes. Maybe someone forgot to tell Disney that 101 lesson. One thing they have always done is raise prices every year at least once, maybe twice irregardless of economic or attendance figures. They have also in my opinion strayed from what got them their reputation. They used to have sterling customer service , outstanding training for employees and attention to detail. When these things were in order money took care of itself. They didn't need to cut things and squeeze every last cent out of the customer. Somewhere along the way they got lost. Just my opinion!

 

[flicx]

I see nothing wrong with the price increases. Disney and Universal both should charge what the market will bear. What's ridiculous is to think they should underprice just to be nice I suppose. They're a business- if people are willing to pay it, they will and should raise their prices.

I guess your right cake. Heck Disney should just raise their prices to 200.00 dollars a day. Heck they still could probably make the same amount of money. After all it should only be about the money. They should make it ultra exclusive! Why even care about the lower class. We don't need their ilk anyway. Yeah that was the original vision!

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I guess your right cake. Heck Disney should just raise their prices to 200.00 dollars a day. Heck they still could probably make the same amount of money. After all it should only be about the money. They should make it ultra exclusive! Why even care about the lower class. We don't need their ilk anyway. Yeah that was the original vision!

To be fair, would you not have to go and research the demographic that could afford Disneyland in 1955? Granted $1 admission and 25 cents per ride (18 total) is extremely modest---how many folks could afford the trek?

While the vision was a place that families could enjoy and ride rides together, it was not opened as a charitable endeavor.

A nice walk down memory lane here. I wonder what the disboard reaction would have been. The give it a chance folks versus the watch it fail as this was a terrible mistake.
http://thisdayindisneyhistory.homestead.com/DisneylandGrandOpening.html

 

[wisblue]

I guess your right cake. Heck Disney should just raise their prices to 200.00 dollars a day. Heck they still could probably make the same amount of money. After all it should only be about the money. They should make it ultra exclusive! Why even care about the lower class. We don't need their ilk anyway. Yeah that was the original vision!

It sounds like you're being sarcastic, but there are posters, including some on this thread, who would support even higher price increases in an effort to reduce crowding in the parks.

For example

I would. As someone who has gone annually for...well....forever, I can say that Disney prices have really risen quite modestly in comparison to almost any other entertainment option. I used to look at a day at WDW in the same vein as I would a day on a great golf course of a day at a major ski area. Those latter two are now way, way more expensive than a day at WDW. I have no issue with Disney's price increase, and in fact, could withstand a greater price increase in an effort to balance out crowds.

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You can count me among those who would like to see WDW charge much more for admission.

Maybe you should take up this discussion with them.

 

[Laketravis]

Lt is just frustrated legacy was awesome and it was great time.....

No, I'm not.

 

[Angel Ariel]

I moved things around a lot, too. So I have a hard time understanding this complaint. The big-ticket items aside... but then in FP- days, it's not like you could move your TSMM paper ticket around. It gave you an hour window, and you couldn't change it. Your option was to go or not go. So aside from the main headliner or two at each park, which were always pretty immobile in the past, what is hard to move around?

My comment wasn't about comparing it to legacy. Fp+ is supposed to be a flexible system. Disney advertises is that way. If I had found the flexibility that Disney advertised,.I may have liked it. It would have compensated a little at least for having to decide fp+ times 60 days before being in the park if I could have changed fp+ we found we didn't need (no line). That wasn't what our experience was. When we tried to change fp+ in the app, we had very little success.

I'm glad you had.more success than we did, that's great. Doesn't change what we experienced, though. And it has little to do with comparisons to legacy.

 

[lauradis]

I wish Disney would follow the pattern that universal has set in recent years. It used to be what Disney did and did well, build new attractions and parks. Always bringing in something new. Universal probably is responsible for a portion of Disney's uptick. I think they have taken the ball and ran with it. Meanwhile Disney is just interested in basically cutting back what the customer receives while steadily increasing price. One thing that can't be argued. The last decade is the absolute worst for building new attractions at Walt Disney world. As far as the simple economics lesson higher demand higher prices theory goes. Maybe someone forgot to tell Disney that 101 lesson. One thing they have always done is raise prices every year at least once, maybe twice irregardless of economic or attendance figures. They have also in my opinion strayed from what got them their reputation. They used to have sterling customer service , outstanding training for employees and attention to detail. When these things were in order money took care of itself. They didn't need to cut things and squeeze every last cent out of the customer. Somewhere along the way they got lost. Just my opinion!

Amen, I wish Disney would follow Universal example and charge for front of the line passes to on site guest only. But they didn't. I wonder why???? that would be right in line with the idea of cut things and squeeze every last cent out of customers line of thinking.

My experience with their customer service has been excellent, I wouldn't call it sterling, because they stopped kissing but long time ago.

Have you stop to think that maybe the guest have changed too, not just Disney its only in the past 10 years that I started hear, I paid x and x for this from guest.

 

[cakebaker]

I guess your right cake. Heck Disney should just raise their prices to 200.00 dollars a day. Heck they still could probably make the same amount of money. After all it should only be about the money. They should make it ultra exclusive! Why even care about the lower class. We don't need their ilk anyway. Yeah that was the original vision!

I'll assume your post is heavily laden with sarcasm because I'd hope you really don't feel that way about the less fortunate among us.

That said, I don't think it's WDW's responsibility to price their product so that the lower class can afford it. It never was. I'm pretty sure the poor have been priced out of WDW since the day the doors opened.

But if you think the price increase is so horrid, you might want to discuss it with the others on this thread who don't have a problem with that increase and even more.

 

[Laketravis]

Amen, I wish Disney would follow Universal example and charge for front of the line passes to on site guest only. But they didn't. I wonder why????

Companies charge for products and services when they are able to quantify the value of those products and services. Other posters have accurately pointed out how those who purchase Express Pass (which uses it's own version of "surge" pricing and can be relatively expensive) don't complain about it. It isn't out of sheer benevolence that Disney doesn't charge for FP+. They may have simply decided they can't.


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[Laketravis]

I wish Disney would follow the pattern that universal has set in recent years. It used to be what Disney did and did well, build new attractions and parks. Always bringing in something new. Universal probably is responsible for a portion of Disney's uptick. I think they have taken the ball and ran with it. Meanwhile Disney is just interested in basically cutting back what the customer receives while steadily increasing price. One thing that can't be argued. The last decade is the absolute worst for building new attractions at Walt Disney world. As far as the simple economics lesson higher demand higher prices theory goes. Maybe someone forgot to tell Disney that 101 lesson. One thing they have always done is raise prices every year at least once, maybe twice irregardless of economic or attendance figures. They have also in my opinion strayed from what got them their reputation. They used to have sterling customer service , outstanding training for employees and attention to detail. When these things were in order money took care of itself. They didn't need to cut things and squeeze every last cent out of the customer. Somewhere along the way they got lost. Just my opinion!

In all fairness to Disney, it's not so much Disney's initiative as it is that of it's stockholders who demand short term profitable results. Stockholders don't care about what the situation might be/could be/would be in 2 years or 10 years, just this quarter. So C-level directs and management acts in a squeeze-break-fix, squeeze-break-fix operational strategy.

FP+ is a part of that. Squeeze as much out of existing attractions, some aging and not popular and suffering from lack of use despite a sufficient number of guests in the parks looking for something to do. Congest (break) and then increase (fix) the pathways and transit infrastructure so they have enough bandwidth to support efficient guest churn to allow more guests into the parks and onto the same attractions in the same or even less number of hours each day.

Cha-ching. More money to send billions to Shanghai to build another park to repeat the process in a country with 20% of the world's population, many of whom have not had the opportunity to experience the magic so it's only fair that we subsidize construction of the park that will allow them to do so, in much the same way DVC owners help to subsidize construction of on-site resorts for the rest of us to enjoy.

And the stockholders loudly applaud (imagine golf clap here).


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[lauradis]

Companies charge for products and services when they are able to quantify the value of those products and services. Other posters have accurately pointed out how those who purchase Express Pass (which uses it's own version of "surge" pricing and can be relatively expensive) don't complain about it. It isn't out of sheer benevolence that Disney doesn't charge for FP+. They may have simply decided they can't.


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Your wrong there. Tons of guest thought fp- was for on site guest, so they didn't even try to use the machines. Actually helping people understand and use legacy fp is what I miss most about fp-.

I think Disney could up charge and should to on-site, dvc, annual pass holders for front of the line passes.

I would and have paid for front of the line passes in every other park that has them, they are worth it to me.

 

[Laketravis]

Your wrong there. Tons of guest thought fp- was for on site guest, so they didn't even try to use the machines. Actually helping people understand and use legacy fp is what I miss most about fp-.

I think Disney could up charge and should to on-site, dvc, annual pass holders for front of the line passes.

I would and have paid for front of the line passes in every other park that has them, they are worth it to me.

I said they may have decided they can't. Companies charge for something when they decide they can. If you've had no problem paying for such a service at other parks, then how much do you think they could charge for FP?

Better yet - how much would YOU be willing to pay for it?


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[Laketravis]

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[lauradis]

I said they may have decided they can't. Companies charge for something when they decide they can. If you think Disney doesn't charge for FP out of the goodness of their heart, then how much do you think they could charge for FP?

Better yet - how much would YOU be willing to pay for it?


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Depend on how long the wait times are in express line, time of year, crowds level in general. In the range of $30-50 extra every day per ticket. That's what other parks charge.

 

[lauradis]

I said they may have decided they can't. Companies charge for something when they decide they can. If you've had no problem paying for such a service at other parks, then how much do you think they could charge for FP?

Better yet - how much would YOU be willing to pay for it?


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How much would you pay? Or would you pay for it?

 

[flicx]

To be fair, would you not have to go and research the demographic that could afford Disneyland in 1955? Granted $1 admission and 25 cents per ride (18 total) is extremely modest---how many folks could afford the trek?

While the vision was a place that families could enjoy and ride rides together, it was not opened as a charitable endeavor.

A nice walk down memory lane here. I wonder what the disboard reaction would have been. The give it a chance folks versus the watch it fail as this was a terrible mistake.
http://thisdayindisneyhistory.homestead.com/DisneylandGrandOpening.html

Charitable endeavor is not what I am speaking about. I think you know it too. The last decade has definitely been a change in strategy for Disney World.

It sounds like you're being sarcastic, but there are posters, including some on this thread, who would support even higher price increases in an effort to reduce crowding in the parks.

For example



and



Maybe you should take up this discussion with them.

No need to. They have stated that value has dropped at Disney.

Amen, I wish Disney would follow Universal example and charge for front of the line passes to on site guest only. But they didn't. I wonder why???? that would be right in line with the idea of cut things and squeeze every last cent out of customers line of thinking.

My experience with their customer service has been excellent, I wouldn't call it sterling, because they stopped kissing but long time ago.

Have you stop to think that maybe the guest have changed too, not just Disney its only in the past 10 years that I started hear, I paid x and x for this from guest.

So all you derive from universal is paid front of the line access? Really. Not the tireless building of new and exciting attractions almost every year. Let's not forget the front of the line access is free for guests at universal hotels. As far as guests stating they paid x for this and for this. Of course they would. A Disney vacation is about the half the cost of a new car nowadays. Expectations should and will be super high!

 

[Laketravis]

How much would you pay? Or would you pay for it?

Personally? My gut response is that I wouldn't. Then when I think about it, I come to the realization that it depends on which park, which leads to the question what exactly am I paying for? Because I certainly wouldn't pay extra in Epcot or HS where I don't feel it's worth it to only pick one headliner and two from what's left, I wouldn't pay extra for it at AK where I don't feel it's absolutely necessary, which leaves me with MK and a pure question of what do I get for what I'm paying for. I'm not interested in A&E or 7DMT so it's a reduced subset for me in which to compare price versus "what" received. In other words, I wouldn't pay much if anything at all.


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[StormyCA]

I'll preface by saying I haven't even used it yet. I'm a DLR regular so I was prepared to 'hate it'. But after my 60 day window opened and I got all the rides I wanted at exactly the times I wanted them, I think I love it.