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[disney david]

here a job posting for a fedreal police officer for the va it took awhile looking throug all the agencys but you will see their appiontment are perment meaning they are perment employees they have to serve a 1 year probation. and then they get a letter saying they are perment alot of the va staff frame it when they get it. If your a police officer i strongly suggest you go on usajobs.com put in police officer and the state and see if they have an offer. They are looking for k-p officers in hi for the navy and other types of polic officers. Plus the secret service and the capital police are looking for people.

this is just an example if you leave in the az feel free to apply.


http://jobview.usajobs.gov/GetJob.aspx?JobID=91611731&JobTitle=Police+Officer+(Training+Officer)&FedEmp=Y&FedPub=Y&sort=rv%2c-dtex&vw=b&re=134&caller=basic.aspx&jbf574=VA*&AVSDM=2010-10-21+09%3a41%3a00

 

[livie1205]

Here in CT.your not allowed to carry.end of that story........and you feel your need to carry a consealed weapon maybe instead of the law you may use some common sense and courtesy and not being it on private property with out permission

Like I siad before.........just becuase legally you can carry, doesn't mean you should.

AKK

except LEO

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_Enforcement_Officers_Safety_Act

 

[joandegennaro]

My dh HAS to carry when off duty unless at the beach or in a park...he does carry on wdw property just not in the parks.If he does NOT carry and is caught he will be in IA. It is the policy of his dept. not a ego thing.They use to give them a choice,2 years ago it was made a policy...he HATES having to always wear clothes to hide his firearm but hey thats life.We ALWAYS inform check in that he has a fire arm and that when we are in the parks it is put away in a safe location.WDW has never had a issue with it.He would never even WANT to carry in a park with all the rides and all that...

This is exactly why I think the OP was trying to get clairification on Disney Property policy with respect to his weapon. Here in Canada we don't have that "Right to" use a weapon. Not even sure if you have the "right" to use a weapon(gun) to protect your family and home. The police officer's I do know usually leave their police issue weapon at work rather than have it at home and those that do have to bring it home follow a lock up proceedure to ensure safety. What I do know it that in dangerous situations where an off duty officer happens to be on scene I as a civilian would appreciate any and all help from a trained professional...hopefully without having to use the weapon but you never know.

 

[A_Princess'_Daddy]

here a job posting for a fedreal police officer for the va it took awhile looking throug all the agencys but you will see their appiontment are perment meaning they are perment employees they have to serve a 1 year probation. and then they get a letter saying they are perment alot of the va staff frame it when they get it. If your a police officer i strongly suggest you go on usajobs.com put in police officer and the state and see if they have an offer. They are looking for k-p officers in hi for the navy and other types of polic officers. Plus the secret service and the capital police are looking for people.

this is just an example if you leave in the az feel free to apply.


http://jobview.usajobs.gov/GetJob.aspx?JobID=91611731&JobTitle=Police+Officer+(Training+Officer)&FedEmp=Y&FedPub=Y&sort=rv%2c-dtex&vw=b&re=134&caller=basic.aspx&jbf574=VA*&AVSDM=2010-10-21+09%3a41%3a00

In that context, permanent does not mean the employee can never be fired, it means that the job is not a temporary position. That doesn't mean that it's easy to be fired from a government job, but "permanent" in that context doesn't mean the holder is guaranteed a job forever.

 

[Rhonna]

I talking about federal jobs as long as they do not break the law they can't be fired. I am talking about the federal police they use for the va hospital my mother works as a nurse manager and nobone their can get fired since it a federal job and that the one vendor they love. They can force you to quit or if you do something that breaks the law and get arrested that another story but as long as you don't break the law you be fine. you can still be suspended but most of them are retired police from the local area so they just working thier for the federal vendors and pension so they don't care about their record.

Sorry I was talking about federal jobs the federal police atleast at the va can no be fired my mother works their in by as a nurse manager and you would he shocked at what the nurse do and get away with. The police work hard so they don't have anything to worry about but they can't be fired they had one police officer hold another empolye at gun point just to give her a ticket for talking on her cell phone in the parking lot. They complian and they was told they would by take the ticket away. It makes me feel better that the police are their so I don't have to worry snot her wary like I did when she worked for non gov hospital. I don't know where you dh works but I was saying that alll police can't be fired I should o nuclear that up. Local police I'd sheriff state troopers and so on can still be fired

Okay, that is more understandable. They can be fired if breaking the law. Unfortunately, the other story you mentioned at the VA hospital about one officer holding another employee at gun point to give her a ticket for talking on her cell phone in the parking lot, but he didn't get into trouble. Good grief. I wouldn't be encouraging that kind of "cush" job when they obviously allow all sorts of behavior. It almost sounds like: "take this job, you can get away with anything short of murder and still get great benefits and not get fired". And I'm sure your mom has other stories too, unfortunately. That's just a sad attitude for people to take.

Sorry, but this is a huge reason why my father, a 100% disabled vet will do ANYTHING he can to avoid going to the VA facilities. He purposely lives far enough away that the VA allows him to go to local doctors. On rare occasions he has had to go up to the VA facilities. However, he's had some horrific experiences that if they had happened in the "real world" would have resulted not only in one VA physician getting fired and losing his license (probably for life) in addition to being charged legally with assault with a deadly weapon and (possibly attempted murder) but a big legal suit in my Dad's favor also. Back when that occurred, no one even considered that you could sue the US government and win. So you just kept your mouth shut.

And before any VA nurses, workers, etc. get upset with me. I've had ex-VA nurses tell me my dad was NOT exaggerating. They got out after things they saw happen. I know there are good and bad employees in all areas but it does seem like the standards are lower and unfortunately many of those who don't make it into regular clinics and hospitals end up at the VA or nursing homes. I find that a sad commentary on the state of the VA system. "Give us whatever you have left over and we won't fire them."

 

[disney david]

In that context, permanent does not mean the employee can never be fired, it means that the job is not a temporary position. That doesn't mean that it's easy to be fired from a government job, but "permanent" in that context doesn't mean the holder is guaranteed a job forever.

i know what your saying i knew someone would say that but if you look under that it will tell you if the job is a full time job or not. here an example in bay pines they are looking for a nurse for mental heath but they put 13 month period which mean they will only have a job for 13 months. their nurse that been working for over 30 years that should of been fired along time ago but since they cant they are stuck unless they have enough to force them to quit. I using nurse because most of those fedreal police just use the va to get into the fedreal system then move on to another agency becuase most other require expernice in fedreal law enforcement. And the other are retired police that are working their for the fedreal pension The gov use the last 5 years as to how much you get in retirement so a police officer could work there for only 5 years as long as he the age to retire and et a great pay day. I not sayin every fedreal officer is like that i not sure about the secret service but think they are the same. the fedreal gov use the word perment in the context that you cant be fired yes they could try their best to make you quit if you did something really bad.

 

[disney david]

Okay, that is more understandable. They can be fired if breaking the law. Unfortunately, the other story you mentioned at the VA hospital about one officer holding another employee at gun point to give her a ticket for talking on her cell phone in the parking lot, but he didn't get into trouble. Good grief. I wouldn't be encouraging that kind of "cush" job when they obviously allow all sorts of behavior. It almost sounds like: "take this job, you can get away with anything short of murder and still get great benefits and not get fired". And I'm sure your mom has other stories too, unfortunately. That's just a sad attitude for people to take.

Sorry, but this is a huge reason why my father, a 100% disabled vet will do ANYTHING he can to avoid going to the VA facilities. He purposely lives far enough away that the VA allows him to go to local doctors. On rare occasions he has had to go up to the VA facilities. However, he's had some horrific experiences that if they had happened in the "real world" would have resulted not only in a one VA physician getting fired and losing his license (probably for life) in addition to being charged legally with assault with a deadly weapon and (possibly attempted murder) but a big legal suit in my Dad's favor also. Back when that occurred, no one even considered that you could sue the US government and win. So you just kept your mouth shut.

And before any VA nurses, workers, etc. get upset with me. I've had ex-VA nurses tell me my dad was NOT exaggerating. They got out after things they saw happen. I know there are good and bad employees in all areas but it does seem like the standards are lower and unfortunately many of those who don't make it into regular clinics and hospitals end up at the VA or nursing homes. I find that a sad commentary on the state of the VA system. "Give us whatever you have left over and we won't fire them."

my mother works for the va as amanger and feel bad that the vet have to put up with these nurse and wish she could do something she spends her day just writing them up. She had one nurse put ear drop in some ones eyes all she got was a 1 day suspension my mom wanted to fire her because that a bg mistake. The sad thing it happen again to this patient they do these stupid things when my mom not their. As for the police most of them are nice to the vets that one officer proberly wanted to spice up his day but freaked the nures all she was doing was moving her car so another employee could get out and move a little and the next thing she know she has this officer with his gun out order her out and put her in hand cuffs. the dir of nurising had to call the police cheif to complain he said well the 225 ticket not going any where and he talk to the officer to this day we dont really know what the ticket was for she guessed it was for her cell phone. my mom works in mental health and when the patient start to go crayz they call a code 2000 which police and people from my moms unit have to respond most of the time once they see the police they chill out because they see the uniform and go back to their day in the army. But sometimes they want to fight and take of 6 or more officer untill they can put them in a restraint bed.


you are right the bad nurse will never make it any where else that why some have been their for 30 plus years. It sad because everyone in the va know how bad some of the nurse are and cant do anything. The sad thing is that the doctor make out the best they get paid highly and don have to pay any malpratice insurence so they should have nothing to complain about and be the nicest people since their makeing more then their counter part on the out side. well sorry to hear about your dad wish things change so he can use the va. plus the va is claiming they are haveing money issues well atleast in the new york area and slowing down hiring or atleast giving start dates it they want to save money they need to get rid of the union. but they have so much in ot because the nurse call out all the time forceing other nurse to stay and cover and if their luky the next shift will come in so they dont have to stay for anther shift.

 

[livie1205]

This is exactly why I think the OP was trying to get clairification on Disney Property policy with respect to his weapon. Here in Canada we don't have that "Right to" use a weapon. Not even sure if you have the "right" to use a weapon(gun) to protect your family and home. The police officer's I do know usually leave their police issue weapon at work rather than have it at home and those that do have to bring it home follow a lock up proceedure to ensure safety. What I do know it that in dangerous situations where an off duty officer happens to be on scene I as a civilian would appreciate any and all help from a trained professional...hopefully without having to use the weapon but you never know.

wow they leave their weapon at work?! holy cow...that would never be ok here....that is THEIR weapon and they MUST know where it is at all times.Do LEOs there have a take home car? They do here therefore when they are in their cars they are either in uniform with ALL weapons or have badge on belt or on neck with their weapon (showing) and when off duty have their weapon and badge on them unless swimming or things like rides in a theme park where its not safe.If we go to mall,food store,starbucks,parks,ect ect he has to have it.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

except LEO

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_Enforcement_Officers_Safety_Act

So livie, your saying a LEO should not use common sense and courtesy when deciding where and when to carry?

If so then you are proofing my point.....Just becuase you can carry, doesnt mean you should......



AKK

 

[mdsoccermom]

i know what your saying i knew someone would say that but if you look under that it will tell you if the job is a full time job or not. here an example in bay pines they are looking for a nurse for mental heath but they put 13 month period which mean they will only have a job for 13 months. their nurse that been working for over 30 years that should of been fired along time ago but since they cant they are stuck unless they have enough to force them to quit. I using nurse because most of those fedreal police just use the va to get into the fedreal system then move on to another agency becuase most other require expernice in fedreal law enforcement. And the other are retired police that are working their for the fedreal pension The gov use the last 5 years as to how much you get in retirement so a police officer could work there for only 5 years as long as he the age to retire and et a great pay day. I not sayin every fedreal officer is like that i not sure about the secret service but think they are the same. the fedreal gov use the word perment in the context that you cant be fired yes they could try their best to make you quit if you did something really bad.

My husband has been in federal law enforcement for 21 years and yes, an officer can be fired. And they don't have to break the law to do it. They just have to screw up. Most of the time they'll ask the officer to resign, but yes they can be fired.

Retirement calculations vary from agency to agency. My husband's agency takes the last 3 years and it would be impossible to work for just 5 years and get retirement.

 

[livie1205]

That is a silly thing to say...period.LEOs KNOW where and when they can carry safely.That is THEIR choice,they are trained to make a call like that...BUT most off duty cant just say "its not safe to carry at the mall or publix" because its simply not true, you have made no good point except how YOU feel about it.I do not know one LEO who would think it is safe to carry in a park while riding rides ect ect .The bottom line is your feelings on the matter do not really mean a thing.LEO are given that right by the Gov. to carry off duty EVEN if their state or county says "no do not".They can carry over state lines off duty with their weapon on them as long as they are not breaking the law ....better then that they CAN carry IN wdw if they are not caught and if they are wdw can simply say you can not come in but they can not get in any trouble for it....wdw can not tell them not to carry at DTD being a open to the public area (needing no extra ticket).

I know many people have their own thoughts on the subject and you can BUT it does not change the facts.This law does NOT apply to people that are NOT LEO and just have a CWP, with those you have to follow all state and county laws in each state.

once again ...it is NOT safe to carry inside a park that has you riding rides and doing all that bumping around..nor do I know anyone who would want to.

WHEN i SAY THEY MAKE A CHOICE ITS THINGS LIKE "OK i CANT NOT SWIM WITH MY GUN OR I CAN NOT RIDE A ROLLORCOASTER WITH MY GUN" NOT "oh I am going to joans bbq I should leave my gun at home"If they go to joans bbq and they see another member of their agency and it gets back that they are not carrying their sidearm well its never good!

 

[livie1205]

So livie, your saying a LEO should not use common sense and courtesy when deciding where and when to carry?

If so then you are proofing my point.....Just becuase you can carry, doesnt mean you should......



AKK

This whole "doesnt mean you should" stuff your throwing around does not even apply to most LEO...now days most are are made to by policy, in case you do not know what that means....if they break policy they dont get a slap on the wrist they go to IA...so you know what that entails, try going to get a rectal exam EVERYDAY for months...

 

[Dr.Girlfriend]

From WDW:

1. Head east on Center Dr toward Floridian Way

2. Turn right at Reams Rd

3. Turn left at County Rd 535/Winter Garden Vineland Rd

4. Turn right at Chase Rd/Lake Sawyer Dr

5. Turn left to stay on Chase Rd

6. Turn left at Main St

7. At the traffic circle, take the 1st exit onto E 6th Ave

8. Continue onto Conroy Windermere Rd

9. Continue onto Conroy Rd

10. Turn left at Millenia Blvd

Destination will be on the right

Krispy Kreme Doughnuts
4080 Millenia Boulevard, Orlando, FL 32839-2426‎



Sorry...Couldn't resist.

PPPPSSSTT!

There is one closer in Kissimmee

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

That *doesnt mean they should stuff* is just the point..........And I question judgement when as you posted yourself....* hubbyand 1,every year or so goes out for a casual evening and drinks.........locking the weapon in the car becuase of the drinks.........yet he when leaving hes back with his weapon..God forbide something happens and he uses his weapon after drinking..seems he would indeed have a problem proffesionally.

Was it so inportant to bring the weapon in the first place?...............seems his choice would be better to leave his weapon home!


My whole point here is some places a LEO off duty can and should carry........but the parks, is not one of the places. Some here have said.........***hooo........I carry hidden, no one ever knows...and if they don't catch it....its their fault.......I beat thier system! Good choice there....its game to beat the system???

No one is allowed on my property with a weapon consealed or otherwise except a LEO on duty or When I ask someone if they are carrying...they tell me they are carrying!

Otherwise its a threat to myself and my family, I call 911.

I am off to work.I'll be happy to pick this up Friday if you like!

 

[@mouseofzen]

I am a police officer. To say no reason to carry off duty is crazy.
Almost every cop has at least one story about running into a crazy acting person they have once arrested while off duty with the family or even alone. Cops in a gas station that just happens to get robbed. Face it, in today's society, the police need to carry 24/7. Not an ego thing. Even at wdw, the chance of a terrorist attack is always a possibility and I bet everyone here would change their tune if an off duty cop ended a bloody mess cause he had his gun. Chances of a wdwattack are low but anything is possible with these terrorists

 

[princessmom29]

Traveled with an LEO last year. WDW is a no carry zone. It doesn't matter who you are, no weapons allowed nito any park. An LEO is allwed to have it in the room. They ask that it be locked in the safe when you are nto in the room. I am with other who say there is NO reason to need to carry off duty. Period.

 

[livie1205]

Traveled with an LEO last year. WDW is a no carry zone. It doesn't matter who you are, no weapons allowed nito any park. An LEO is allwed to have it in the room. They ask that it be locked in the safe when you are nto in the room. I am with other who say there is NO reason to need to carry off duty. Period.

I think everyone is agreed no weapons IN park...no one has said otherwise...

 

[disney david]

My husband has been in federal law enforcement for 21 years and yes, an officer can be fired. And they don't have to break the law to do it. They just have to screw up. Most of the time they'll ask the officer to resign, but yes they can be fired.

Retirement calculations vary from agency to agency. My husband's agency takes the last 3 years and it would be impossible to work for just 5 years and get retirement.

Yes pesiojn do vary between agency the va dlbase your last 5 years on how much you get so that why when an employee reach thee 5 year they try t transfer to new york because NYC va pay the second highest out if all the vas and is easierto get in. And if you don't mind Whig federal police officer is your husband if you can't answer because his job classified then okay. Like I said in another post it might depend on the agency and the wording they use the va coming it with new position that they can fire staff but it in certain positions. If they ask you to resin it sounds like then can't fire you because they wouldn't ask you to resin if they could fire you. See your husband smart he spent most his career with the federal gov i wish other police officer would work for the fed you get better benefits and yes each agency might be different but most the same. I understand why the federal poloice have them spend at least 6 months at a va according to what a police officer told my mother because it can be boring and not much action. The officer like more action you don't get to drive around in apolice car at some but all have atleast one marked police car to transport paient to federal court. It was funny once my mom has to go with the police because they need a nurse to go song with and while they waiting the officer and the pieteint star to tell my mom how easy it is to rob a bank and how to. I guess the pieteint been in and out of the manhattan va over the year and would get ap *** to out and go across the street and rob the chase bank they cUght him running into the va with money falling out if his pants and ot two and two together when he their the bank get robbed. so know my mom has everyone else looking at them for a police officer giving tips on how to rob a bank and get away with it. Most of the federal police are nice and dedicated to their job and don't do anything to get fired any way they wear their ca police jacket on the way home and the new big thing thief is they are become training officers so know they are walking high and proud and not want g to get in glfight they try to leave that to the other officers.

 

[mdsoccermom]

Yes pesiojn do vary between agency the va dlbase your last 5 years on how much you get so that why when an employee reach thee 5 year they try t transfer to new york because NYC va pay the second highest out if all the vas and is easierto get in. And if you don't mind Whig federal police officer is your husband if you can't answer because his job classified then okay. Like I said in another post it might depend on the agency and the wording they use the va coming it with new position that they can fire staff but it in certain positions. If they ask you to resin it sounds like then can't fire you because they wouldn't ask you to resin if they could fire you. See your husband smart he spent most his career with the federal gov i wish other police officer would work for the fed you get better benefits and yes each agency might be different but most the same. I understand why the federal poloice have them spend at least 6 months at a va according to what a police officer told my mother because it can be boring and not much action. The officer like more action you don't get to drive around in apolice car at some but all have atleast one marked police car to transport paient to federal court. It was funny once my mom has to go with the police because they need a nurse to go song with and while they waiting the officer and the pieteint star to tell my mom how easy it is to rob a bank and how to. I guess the pieteint been in and out of the manhattan va over the year and would get ap *** to out and go across the street and rob the chase bank they cUght him running into the va with money falling out if his pants and ot two and two together when he their the bank get robbed. so know my mom has everyone else looking at them for a police officer giving tips on how to rob a bank and get away with it. Most of the federal police are nice and dedicated to their job and don't do anything to get fired any way they wear their ca police jacket on the way home and the new big thing thief is they are become training officers so know they are walking high and proud and not want g to get in glfight they try to leave that to the other officers.

They ask people to resign before firing them because it makes it easier on the person being dismissed down the road when seeking other employment, not because they can't be fired. They are not out to destroy someone's future job potential.

Sorry, can't tell you who my husband is with.

 

[disney david]

They ask people to resign before firing them because it makes it easier on the person being dismissed down the road when seeking other employment, not because they can't be fired. They are not out to destroy someone's future job potential.

Sorry, can't tell you who my husband is with.

Your right I guess they care but your your career after leave the fed sorry to ask about your husband totally under stand I don't want him to get into trunk or in danger him. I was talking about the va so I don't know ahoy other agency I should of made that more clear. Tell your husband thanks for coin out there everyday and keeping us safe.