Little Girls in the Mens Room?

[chicagodisneyfan]

I'm sorry but that's just disgusting. You had your daughter climb on a dirty bathroom floor because you (or the older lady) couldn't wait? I would NEVER ask my child to do that, not for me, and not for anyone else.

You are kidding right? Why would you not help an older woman in need.

What is this world coming to!

I would and have crawled on the bathroom floor - to help out a drunk friend. I wouldn't think twice about helping someone.

 

[perkinsrose]

http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/jersey/index.ssf?/base/news-10/1212555445197660.xml&coll=1

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2008/01/a_convicted_sex_offender_from.html

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0DE6DF1639F93BA25756C0A96E958260

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/19/nyregion/19child.html

Obviously these incidents didn't happen at Disney, but they are 3 incidents (the first two links are the same case) which happened here in NJ/NY within the past year or so A quick google search yielded these results. Are you trying to say that pedofiles don't go on vacation? I'm sorry, but if a mom wants to bring her son into the ladies restroom, so be it. And for those who reference moms who don't want their children in the stall with them, there is certainly "that time of the month" to consider. I always brought my DD with me during "that time" and made her stand outside the stall with her feet under the door so I could see her at all times. I don't think dads have the same issue. I would think that 8-10 is an appropriate cut-off age for bringing opposite sex children in restrooms, but I think people need to cut each other a little slack.

I did a quick search too...

www.lostinlimaohio.blogspot.com/2007/05/pedophiles-in-church.html Feb 2008 Boy is molested in church bathroom

YouTube - Sex Offender Allegedly Molests Teen In Bathroom Stall
9 Nov 2007 ... A registered sex offender who just got out of prison was arrested again for child
molestation Friday. Police said James Walker, 38, ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krjoNxT75Hs - 94k - Cached

June 17, 2008 Florida man molests 10 yr old girl in grocery store restroom

Library sex offender incident fuels Internet filter push

November 21, 2005, DesMoinesRegister.com | Submitted by admin
Written By Abby Simons
A homeless sex offender accused of molesting a toddler in a Des Moines library restroom last month told police he used library computers to view pornography many times.

Also, though likely to be a very small percentage of those entering parks, pedophiles may seek out places where children frequent including Disney. Remember that self-proclaimed, proud pedophile Jack McClellan in the news last year? An article said that he posted on his website good places like fair, festivals and parks --for the purpose of "watching" young girls.

 

[Megsmachine]

Can not figure out the quote thing so livndisney is in black, I am in red.


livndisney;25783187 -How is 3 little girls in the girls room the same as using stalls as a "holding" area for boys in the girls room?



As I stated in my other post 99% of the time when I take my boys with me it is for THEM to use the restroom and yes I go too. There are the few times that it may be myself that needs to use the facilities and they have to come with me. In this discussion so far I am pretty much in someones bad graces.
1) using a stall for a holding "room"
or
2) Have them stand outside of the stall and make sure they keep their eyes to the ground for fear they are accused of being peeping Tom's.

FTR I have had many a little girl look under my stall at me too, but they are not considered "peeping toms" just cute little curious girls, which is exactly what they are and the little boys that do it too. If my boys had ever done it they would have gotten a talking to, but people, it is just natural curiosity.

We just had a situation where we went to the ladies room. There were two stalls. One stall was locked (per the employee stationed there-"someone" locked the door of the stall and climbed under and left). The other stall was in use. There was an older lady in NEED of the restroom. I asked my dd to climb under and unlock the door for the lady. This poor lady was soooo grateful as was the employee. So yes, in some cases I would begrudge 1 STALL.

Well this is something you wouldn't have to even worry about! If that was the case it would have been ME using the stall, and if my boys had to go I am sure MOST women wouldn't mind waiting the 1 minute it would take for ALL the boys to potty.

The bottom line as with most of these threads. People are going to do what THEY want. It does not matter to them HOW they affect other people. Some people have even come right out and SAID they don't care if they affect others.[/QUOTE]

Speaking for myself, generally I try not to annoy my fellow man, or trample on their rights etc. In this case, sorry when my boys have to go and there is no one but me to take them you will see them in the womens bathroom.

 

[Megsmachine]

To each their own!

And this is exactly what this entire discussion comes down too.

 

[In a hurry]

You are kidding right? Why would you not help an older woman in need.

What is this world coming to!

I would and have crawled on the bathroom floor - to help out a drunk friend. I wouldn't think twice about helping someone.

Amen. A little dirt never hurt ANY normal kid.

 

[Disney8704]

If I had a DS and I was with him by myself (will never happen, but just saying) I would DEF. take him in the bathroom with me up to a certain age say 12. Reason being is what am I supposed to do with my child? Just leave him there outside waiting for me? Are you crazy? With kidnappings increasing every yr, NO WAY!! Just because your in Disney, doesnt mean you should feel 100% safe and let your guard down. I dont see anything wrong with those 2 fathers taking their DDs in the bathroom with him. He was being a protective parent, which I wish more people would be that way these days. People instantly think stay here, dont move, I'll be back and their child will be OK. But childern LOVE to go exploring especially when they see something interesting. And when someone see's a child just standing there waiting, they could very easily get grabbed and end up getting kidnapped.

I agree with others that there should be family restrooms. Disney should just do away with ALL mens and womens restrooms and just turn them all into family restrooms. It would make everyone a lot happier.

 

[PrincessKsMom]

You are kidding right? Why would you not help an older woman in need.

What is this world coming to!

I would and have crawled on the bathroom floor - to help out a drunk friend. I wouldn't think twice about helping someone.

No, I'm not kidding. I don't care how many paper towels you put on the floor, you still need to put your hands on the floor and push/pull yourself under the door. Help an elderly person yes, subject my kid to who knows what diseases, etc. -- NO. I wouldn't ask her to do it for me, so I certainly wouldn't ask her to do it for someone else. I understand the gesture, but in my opinion it's not worth it. How do you know what's on the floor, and whose body it came out of? Would you run your hands through a strangers urine and feces and trust that washing your hands after was going to be enough? I don't know how old OP's child is, but children tend to put their hands in their mouths, put toys, etc. in the mouths all the time. If it was anyone's job it was the employees job to crawl under the door.

 

[asmit4]

You are kidding right? Why would you not help an older woman in need.

What is this world coming to!

I would and have crawled on the bathroom floor - to help out a drunk friend. I wouldn't think twice about helping someone.

Different strokes, different folks....I agree with you though. I've done some strange, odd, stupid things before to help someone in need, even strangers. That's just me.

 

[perkinsrose]

No, I'm not kidding. I don't care how many paper towels you put on the floor, you still need to put your hands on the floor and push/pull yourself under the door. Help an elderly person yes, subject my kid to who knows what diseases, etc. -- NO. I wouldn't ask her to do it for me, so I certainly wouldn't ask her to do it for someone else. I understand the gesture, but in my opinion it's not worth it. How do you know what's on the floor, and whose body it came out of? Would you run your hands through a strangers urine and feces and trust that washing your hands after was going to be enough? I don't know how old OP's child is, but children tend to put their hands in their mouths, put toys, etc. in the mouths all the time. If it was anyone's job it was the employees job to crawl under the door.

Do you dip your shoes in santizer when you leave the bathroom?? but wait, all the other people's shoes who touch the floor will be transferring the urine & feces everywhere!! Do we wash our hands when we put on and take off our shoes too??

 

[tlens]

Do we wash our hands when we put on and take off our shoes too??

I actually do after helping my son put his on and I've touched the bottoms. ICK.

 

[DCLMan]

I must be weird. I don't care who is in the bathroom. I just want to get in, do what I gotta do and get out to have more fun. As long as the bathroom is clean, has TP and towels, I'm a happy camper. Bring grandpa, your five cousins and the marching band in for all I care. Just do it quickly so the line doesn't back up!!

I love your attitude.

 

[Need An E Ticket]

If I had a DS and I was with him by myself (will never happen, but just saying) I would DEF. take him in the bathroom with me up to a certain age say 12. Reason being is what am I supposed to do with my child? Just leave him there outside waiting for me? Are you crazy? With kidnappings increasing every yr, NO WAY!! Just because your in Disney, doesnt mean you should feel 100% safe and let your guard down. I dont see anything wrong with those 2 fathers taking their DDs in the bathroom with him. He was being a protective parent, which I wish more people would be that way these days. People instantly think stay here, dont move, I'll be back and their child will be OK. But childern LOVE to go exploring especially when they see something interesting. And when someone see's a child just standing there waiting, they could very easily get grabbed and end up getting kidnapped.

I agree with others that there should be family restrooms. Disney should just do away with ALL mens and womens restrooms and just turn them all into family restrooms. It would make everyone a lot happier.

That is what i was trying to say earlier. I am a father who may be out with my 6 yr old daughter, or my 4 yr old daughter, or both for that matter. Let's say I have to go to the bathroom, I can't leave my daughters just standing outside waiting for me, can I? I would surely hold it if possible, but I am not about to let my daughters stand outside and wait for me, and I don't think the other men would appreciate me not taking them in a stall with me. At what age would you deem that I allow my daughters to stand outside of a bathroom and wait for me? I believe the circumstances would warrant my actions.

 

[fey_spirit]

It's obvious that some people here are giving opinions who have no experience dealing with other people's children...
(sounds silly doesn't it?)

I don't have to have a child to have the right to an opinion, I receive that right when your actions and your child's actions come into contact with me.

It is obvious than some people here giving opinions have no children.

 

[fey_spirit]

Yes, but following this logic - they came into the world a year ago, and at the age of one are still going into opposite gendered bathrooms with their parents as we speak... hey maybe that's what's going to scar them for life and make them "creeps"

Actually there are more "creepy people" now than there were 1 year ago... populations increase and accepting that X% of the population are perverted wierdos... the number of "creepy people" increases every day... that much is pretty much a logical fact.

 

[Disney8704]

Ugh I hate it when people dont help others. What if the roll was reversed and you needed help? And people and their germphobia. MY GOD. If you are that STRICT on germs, then why in the world are you even in WDW? Let me guess, those who wouldnt crawl on that floor are probably the same people who wipe down the car they sit in on every ride and try their best not to open a door with their hands. People who carry lysol wipes with them all day long and sanitizing lotion. All I can say is I hope you people never get sick. Cuz your only hurting your immune system by being so germ cautous. Your not building your immune system, you destroying it. Im sorry I much rather get on the floor to open the door, even naked if I had to, get a little dirty, encounter maybe some germs, wash my hands and wash off any part of me that got dirty, then to stand there not help someone, become so germphobia that later on down the road I get sick and I feel like I want to just die. Just IMHO.

 

[SuperTink]

Paranoid, much?

Your rational also means that there are a higher number of good people watching out for kids. That would be crowds of them if you are talking about WDW.

Haha. No kidding!

 

[PrincessKsMom]

Ugh I hate it when people dont help others. What if the roll was reversed and you needed help? And people and their germphobia. MY GOD. If you are that STRICT on germs, then why in the world are you even in WDW? Let me guess, those who wouldnt crawl on that floor are probably the same people who wipe down the car they sit in on every ride and try their best not to open a door with their hands. People who carry lysol wipes with them all day long and sanitizing lotion. All I can say is I hope you people never get sick. Cuz your only hurting your immune system by being so germ cautous. Your not building your immune system, you destroying it. Im sorry I much rather get on the floor to open the door, even naked if I had to, get a little dirty, encounter maybe some germs, wash my hands and wash off any part of me that got dirty, then to stand there not help someone, become so germphobia that later on down the road I get sick and I feel like I want to just die. Just IMHO.

First off, I'm not a germophobe. I don't carry hand sanitizer and I don't lysol wipe everything under the sun. I've got a great immune system and hardly ever get a cold. My DD was 5 months old when she was at a sitter with 10 other children. Kids get sick, and I agree about wiping out our immune systems by using too many disinfectants. However, putting my child at risk because I feel the need to help someone else, not going to happen. Maybe OP should have climbed under the door instead of having her kid do it. I'm sorry, but I don't think most adults would do it, and I don't think it's fair to ask your kid to either. Not just what they touch, but probably get "stuff" all over their clothes and then spend the day like that?

As far as helping strangers, I have been trained as a fire warden in my high rise NYC office building for many, many years and have also been trained in the use of an AED and CPR. During our last recertification training for CPR our instructor posed a question -- you come across someone who needs CPR breathing and you don't have your face shield. What do you do? I said, well I'd perform CPR breathing anyway. WRONG! He said under no uncertain terms should we even consider it. Do whatever you can to help WITHOUT putting yourself in danger. He suggested doing the chest compressions without the breathing because "something is better than nothing." But as he said, in this case, the person may be beyond help anyway -- why put yourself at greater risk if the conclusion might still be the same anyway? He also pointed out that no EMT would ever do breathing without a mask, so why should I feel compelled? My point being, these are decisions we made as adults, and deal with the consequences as adults. I don't feel you should ask your kids to do something you might regret later and crawling through urine and feces is definitely something you might regret later. Or to put it another way, wouldn't you scold your child if you turned around and found them crawling around on a public restroom floor? So it's okay if you ask them to, but not if they decide to do it on their own.

 

[BlondeAlligator]

Ugh I hate it when people dont help others. What if the roll was reversed and you needed help? And people and their germphobia. MY GOD. If you are that STRICT on germs, then why in the world are you even in WDW? Let me guess, those who wouldnt crawl on that floor are probably the same people who wipe down the car they sit in on every ride and try their best not to open a door with their hands. People who carry lysol wipes with them all day long and sanitizing lotion. All I can say is I hope you people never get sick. Cuz your only hurting your immune system by being so germ cautous. Your not building your immune system, you destroying it. Im sorry I much rather get on the floor to open the door, even naked if I had to, get a little dirty, encounter maybe some germs, wash my hands and wash off any part of me that got dirty, then to stand there not help someone, become so germphobia that later on down the road I get sick and I feel like I want to just die. Just IMHO.

Could you possibly be more judgemental and insensitive???

I have OCD...I struggle with it everyday...but I push through it and take my DD to WDW so that my mental illness does not impact her life in a negative way. I use Purell, I wash my hands, she washes her hands at appropriate times, and I am proud to say she only missed 2 days of school this year for being sick.

If I could be free of my OCD I would, but it's the card I was dealt & if Purell makes it possible for me to enjoy WDW then what do you care???!!!

RUDE.

 

[Disney8704]

Theres a BIG difference between someone who has an illness then someone who just decides to do it because they can. If someone had to remain clean at all times, then fine, whatever. Do what you need to do. Its your health. And for safety concerns and reasons you need to stay clean. But to those who decide to not get a little dirty from time to time is being ridiculous.

Could you possibly be more judgemental and insensitive???

I have OCD...I struggle with it everyday...but I push through it and take my DD to WDW so that my mental illness does not impact her life in a negative way. I use Purell, I wash my hands, she washes her hands at appropriate times, and I am proud to say she only missed 2 days of school this year for being sick.

If I could be free of my OCD I would, but it's the card I was dealt & if Purell makes it possible for me to enjoy WDW then what do you care???!!!

RUDE.

 

[Disney8704]

Your crawling on the floor. Not through a toilet. How do you get crawling through people's waste on the floor when its not on the floor? And the CPR teacher..yeah. Im not even gonna go there. Im sorry but If I see someone who needs CPR, and I know how to give it, Im gonna give them CPR. Putting yourself at risk? What are you putting yourself risk of? Germs? See this is exactly what Im talking about. Seems like more and more people these days are so worried about germs, they would rather have someone die then have to deal with germs. What if it was your spouse or childern? And you were somewhere without your mask. Would you not do everything in your power to save them? What about kissing? Do you not kiss your kids or your spouse? When you kiss someone, your facing germs.

First off, I'm not a germophobe. I don't carry hand sanitizer and I don't lysol wipe everything under the sun. I've got a great immune system and hardly ever get a cold. My DD was 5 months old when she was at a sitter with 10 other children. Kids get sick, and I agree about wiping out our immune systems by using too many disinfectants. However, putting my child at risk because I feel the need to help someone else, not going to happen. Maybe OP should have climbed under the door instead of having her kid do it. I'm sorry, but I don't think most adults would do it, and I don't think it's fair to ask your kid to either. Not just what they touch, but probably get "stuff" all over their clothes and then spend the day like that?

As far as helping strangers, I have been trained as a fire warden in my high rise NYC office building for many, many years and have also been trained in the use of an AED and CPR. During our last recertification training for CPR our instructor posed a question -- you come across someone who needs CPR breathing and you don't have your face shield. What do you do? I said, well I'd perform CPR breathing anyway. WRONG! He said under no uncertain terms should we even consider it. Do whatever you can to help WITHOUT putting yourself in danger. He suggested doing the chest compressions without the breathing because "something is better than nothing." But as he said, in this case, the person may be beyond help anyway -- why put yourself at greater risk if the conclusion might still be the same anyway? He also pointed out that no EMT would ever do breathing without a mask, so why should I feel compelled? My point being, these are decisions we made as adults, and deal with the consequences as adults. I don't feel you should ask your kids to do something you might regret later and crawling through urine and feces is definitely something you might regret later. Or to put it another way, wouldn't you scold your child if you turned around and found them crawling around on a public restroom floor? So it's okay if you ask them to, but not if they decide to do it on their own.