Line JUMPER at DW?

[HappyLawyer]

there is nothing wrong with that, you did not just walk up in line, you were there, if people have a problem with it, that is their problem, not yours, you did nothing wrong and don't concern yourself with it.

 

[pepperw23]

I have let several people by even a bit begrudgingly since I wish I hadnt had to stand there the whole time....almost wishing for the chance to go find one of those nasty toilets for my kid. Anyway I never even really give it another thought unless it is group (not even when it is just one) of teenagers pushing there way through not even saying excuse me but actually saying things such as "get out of the way I have to join my group". Our first trip on splash Mountain, I though my son was big enough but after being in line a few minutes we come up on a sign measure him and he wasnt so I run him back out to my mom and then try to rejoin my group. Several people let me through with comments of "next time wait your turn like everyone else". I was very polite explained when needed to get allowed to pass. Finally when I could see my group getting into the finall aread where they were like 2-3 boats away and I was up a bit two people blocked my way and refused to let me pass even when I said please and explained the situation and everything then they actually laughed at me. So anyway people can be quite rude but for the most part we understand that well...we wouldnt want to sit in the wet seat your child would have left lol.

I wish, just one time, to catch my two teens talking to someone that way! Their trip to Disney would come to a RAPID end.

 

[abeyst]

I don't mind it either. DH or grandma could be holding your place in line until they get to the front and you show up with your 4 kids and I wouldn't care.

C'mon people, are 2, 3, or 4 people meeting the family at the front of the line going to suck so much 'time' out of your day that you're going to miss half the rides in the parks? it's not like they're teenagers, they're kids! But I guess you'd probably stand there and complain and make faces if the kids were in line the entire time and playing, moving around, and probably complaining about what's taking so long.....

Kids are kids, and they can't stand in a line for 2 hours or travel parks all day without it making them tired or having to pee. Add to that all the visual stimulation (shows, characters, gift shops)......

Its funny 'cause people tend to complain about screamin kids all over the parks, when you try to do something to keep your kids in check (like not making them stand still in a 2 hour line like an adult), that's a problem, too.

It's excellent for you to have enough people with you to be able to do that. I wish I did!

Do what you feel you need to do to have a great trip, and most importantly that your kids have a great trip. That's what's important.

 

[The Sweetness]

Add me to the list of forbidden *joiners* I feel that by having my 2y old waiting nearby until the line shortens up a bit w 1 other person is doing the whole line a service. (2y olds who thoroughly enjoy the rides and shows just havent developed the patience for a long wait yet. So me and dd or dh will wait in line, while the other waits with dd2 nearby until closer to *go time*. This will keep the wait much more calm and peaceful for the whole group. Just my opinion, based on experience

Now if we are talking about more than one adult or older child, or more than 2 shorties, then things change a bit. The way I see it, if the ride vehicle seats 4, and 2 pp wait, and 2 join (one of them a tot), then its still one <car>

 

[Disneyhappy]

I don't mind it either. DH or grandma could be holding your place in line until they get to the front and you show up with your 4 kids and I wouldn't care.

C'mon people, are 2, 3, or 4 people meeting the family at the front of the line going to suck so much 'time' out of your day that you're going to miss half the rides in the parks? it's not like they're teenagers, they're kids! But I guess you'd probably stand there and complain and make faces if the kids were in line the entire time and playing, moving around, and probably complaining about what's taking so long.....

Kids are kids, and they can't stand in a line for 2 hours or travel parks all day without it making them tired or having to pee. Add to that all the visual stimulation (shows, characters, gift shops)......

Its funny 'cause people tend to complain about screamin kids all over the parks, when you try to do something to keep your kids in check (like not making them stand still in a 2 hour line like an adult), that's a problem, too.

It's excellent for you to have enough people with you to be able to do that. I wish I did!

Do what you feel you need to do to have a great trip, and most importantly that your kids have a great trip. That's what's important.

Good post! I guess my family probably has more patience for this sort of thing becuse of our ADHD son and PDD nephew. We planned our trips to minimize wait time but I appreciate that not everyone is a compulsive planner like me. I would never think of giving a parent of a young child a hard time about having to go potty or just needing to get out of an extra long line line for a break. I have learned not to judge parenting on first impressions because if people had seen some of my son's breakdowns when he was little, they were probably thinking we were the worst parents in the world and we were raising a monster! Fortunately, our soon to be 14 year old is an honor student and student of the month as he is outgrowing his ADAD. When he was young, I was fortunate to only have to take him out of line one time to burn off some energy and the CM was more than understanding and assisted us to join DH in line. There were other times when we could tell after standing in line just 2 minutes that it wasn't going to work and decided to leave the line and come back later. One other thought - I'm sure all parents can vouch that a pre-emptive trip to the bathroom does not ensure that a little one will not have to go again within 30 minutes, or even just 10 minutes.

I thinkit is a good idea to ask the people in abck of you and definitely let a CM know what you are doing in case you need their help for those guests who may refuse to let you back in.

 

[Miss Inga Depointe]

Don't you think this is just one of those things that, well, it depends on where you are and who is around you? I mean, I really don't think it's much of a problem at WDW because so many people there are parents and would want the same courtesy for themselves.

It's not a question of right or wrong, but what people will put up with, and I do think they are fine with a mom taking a kid on a potty break, but not very open to you saving a place in line for many other people. And I can see why. I get in line, I think there's 20 people ahead of me, then more people join one person who got in line for all of them and now I'm 25 people back? That's ticks me off.

 

[seashoreCM]

(I did not read the entire thread)

As you plan to leave the line to take you child to the rest room, ask two or three parties (in separate conversations) just behind you if they would not mind your leaving and coming back.

Are you anxious, angry, or impatient when you accompany your child to the rest room anywhere?

Children often clam up when in the bathroom, it often takes them a long time to get started going. If you don't see them get going and pull them away and out, then you have the problem of their really having to go at inopportune times such as in line.

Add to this the cry-wolf effect of children wanting to get your attention by asking to go to the bathroom very often and then they deliberately take a long time.

My feeling for today (Feb. 19, 2006) is for you the parent to make the sacrifice and show patience long before you get to Disney, make sure your children can go when you want them to by waiting patiently and quietly (outwaiting them if you will) in the bathroom. It will dawn on them that they really don't achieve happiness by dragging you into the bathroom and wil eventually go promptly when you take them in (except when they clam up).

Also, do not take children into the rest room for the purpose of disciplining them, that will increase the chance of their clamming up in there in the future.

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[CT- Mouse]

As a parent of two children my wife and I would totally understand that these things happen. We'd have no problem if you decided to rejoin the line.

For the group of people that want to meet their friend who is already in the line and come to the "party" late ... that's a different story !!! Just my opinion...

 

[kpm76]

As I stated in an earlier post, it does not bother DH and I at all. Even if you bring a child to the bathroom before getting in line there are no guarantees that they will not have to go again before the ride is over. We try to be very sympathetic to parents with young children.....that could be us someday and we would want the same courtesy. For those that get worked up about parents who leave the line to tend to their children and their needs, perhaps WDW is not the place for them to vacation. The only thing that gets me upset are the older kids and teens who plow through the line claiming their parents are ahead...other than that, I'm very understanding.

 

[Miss Inga Depointe]

I just wouldn't expect anything anyplace. It's usually cool at WDW, but maybe not, as someone said at Cedar Pointe. It's just about being polite, not a commiting a crime or anything after all, isn't it? I would always ask the people around me if they minded before I did anything like that.

 

[Kimberly815]

As a parent of two children my wife and I would totally understand that these things happen. We'd have no problem if you decided to rejoin the line.

For the group of people that want to meet their friend who is already in the line and come to the "party" late ... that's a different story !!! Just my opinion...

I agree. A little one and adult leaving to go use the bathroom and coming back. . .Cool with me.

More than 3+ people jumping in line who were never there before- Not so cool.

 

[Beca]

As I stated in an earlier post, it does not bother DH and I at all. Even if you bring a child to the bathroom before getting in line there are no guarantees that they will not have to go again before the ride is over. We try to be very sympathetic to parents with young children.....that could be us someday and we would want the same courtesy. For those that get worked up about parents who leave the line to tend to their children and their needs, perhaps WDW is not the place for them to vacation. The only thing that gets me upset are the older kids and teens who plow through the line claiming their parents are ahead...other than that, I'm very understanding.

I couldn't have said it better myself!! WDW is a place where people should expect to have great patience for others who have all sorts of "challenges" in life. Certainly, bringing small children the park has its challenges.

The other point to remember is, I have a dd with a TINY bladder....and, even so, we maybe have to pull her out of line to go potty once every trip, and now that she is 4, I expect that to start becomes less often. No parent has the desire, or patience to be pulling their child out of line constantly...these are rare occasions. I know when you are at the park, it can seem like an awful lot of parents are doing this an awful lot of the time....but, seriously...we are not.

I have pulled her out of lines which did not have shaded cues, when the temp at DL was 101 (this was Dumbo). We did notify the CM before we left, and asked if I could bring her thru the exit when it was her time to get on. The CM's response was "Absolutely." Then, she looked at my dd who was beet red and sweating profusely, and replied, "Gosh, on a day like to today, I wish more parents would think to do the same thing. It's miserable out here with no shade." And, it was. We went into a shop for her to cool off. When dh got close, he called us and we went to the exit where the cm let us in. We did think about pulling her out of line, and just skipping the ride, but we had waited about 35 minutes of 55 minute line wait in the heat. It would've seemed too mean to tell her she couldn't ride, when it's not that she was being bad....her little body just couldn't take the heat. But, it worked out okay....we came in the exit, and didn't bother anyone by asking them let us by.



Beca

 

[kaytieeldr]

I don't mind it either. DH or grandma could be holding your place in line until they get to the front and you show up with your 4 kids and I wouldn't care.

C'mon people, are 2, 3, or 4 people meeting the family at the front of the line going to suck so much 'time' out of your day that you're going to miss half the rides in the parks? it's not like they're teenagers, they're kids! But I guess you'd probably stand there and complain and make faces if the kids were in line the entire time and playing, moving around, and probably complaining about what's taking so long.....

I think it depends on the attraction. If it's a continous loading ride like Spaceship Earth, or an 'out one side, in the other' such as Splash Mountain, not a problem. But for an attraction where, for example, only x number of Guests can enter the preshow area at one time (i.e. Haunted Mansion) or the attraction itself (e.g. Star Tours) and I'm supposed to board/enter next, well, my park time is just as valuable as that of the line jumpers.

For those that get worked up about parents who leave the line to tend to their children and their needs, perhaps WDW is not the place for them to vacation.

That's a good point - and if a couple of people get out of line and come back, it's only reasonable to let them rejoin their party. But if four or five or ten people who weren't there when you got into line behind a party of two suddenly appear, NOPE.

 

[VSL]

Going to the toilet - not a problem, IMO.

Having one person queue for a party of 3+, is a problem, IMO, as the 'wait time' at the entrance of the attraction gets distorted, and my time is just as valuable as theirs. Maybe one party doing this wouldn't have an effect, but when it's a number or seperate parties doing this, it does. Just wait in line like the rest of us have to - as another poster said (although in a slightly different context), if you can't handle the wait, 'perhaps WDW is not the place for [you] to vacation'*.

*does not apply to children/people with certain disorders, such as autism, etc.

 

[Beca]

Guys...I think a lot of this discussion really comes down to the definition of "line jumping", and I think a lot of that definition comes down to intent. If you enter the line as a family, or group with the intention of standing in that line until the ride is completed, and then find yourselves with a small child (or, in some cases an adult who simply had too much Iced Tea at lunch ) who has a "potty emergency" and needs to step out an rejoin their party. That is an "unplanned" event which you did not intend to occur. It happens.

However, if one person, who did not want to ride Splash Mountain allows her buddies to go, and then join her in line of Big Thundermountain RR once they have finished their ride....then, the intent to "line jump" was there all along, and is, most definitely breaking the rules, IMHO. However, most of the time people will not be inconvenienced at these rides by small children needing to go potty....they are simply too short or too scared to ride these rides.

Most of the potty breaks occur in line for IASWAF, Pooh, and Peter Pan. And, in that case, I do think people should try to be more understanding. Last Friday night, we took our dd to see "Curious George". The theatre was filled with families and children who behaved as children...they talked to the screen, they laughed at strange times (because laughing is fun), and more than once, we had to let people by to take their child to the potty during the show. I look at it like this....we go to a "G rated" film, I expect children to be children...these things hapen. If, I had gone to see "Firewall", I would be a little upset at a noisy theatre.

To me, WDW is the same way....if you're standing in line for Pooh, please be understanding of a mom carrying her little one out, and don't give her dirty looks as she comes back in...it's Pooh!!! If you're standing in line for Rockin' Roller Coaster, and a team of cheerleaders (or other groups...I don't mean to pick on Cheerleaders, here) tries to come from the back to the front...well....do what you need to do.



Beca

 

[smjj]

I have no problem with it at all. I had small ones once myself. Our situtation at MGM was one where a couple of teenage girls were in line infront of us at TOT(this was before Fastpass) and about the last turn where you turn to enter the mansion, about 4 or 5 of their friends decided to join them. Us and several others put up a strong protest but to no avail and the CM's acted like it was no big deal, they got away with it...smjj

 

[Lizzybee]

This is more of a comparison of parks than anything I guess but we live near Six Flags Great America and have season's passes there. There is a strict no line jumping policy "for any reason". It is a different kind of park than WDW. There are kiddie rides and there are big kid/grown up rides but not alot of family rides. My 8 yr old is too big for the kiddie rides, she can ride them but chooses not to because they are really geared for Kindergarten and below. In those areas, I'm pretty sure that getting out of line to go to the bathroom and come back would be fine, but usually those lines aren't long enough to do that without having missed your original turn to begin with. I absolutely refuse to let groups of teens "join up" with their group of friends in the big ride lines. Their friends however are more than welcome to join them where they are in line, and I've told them the same thing. There are lots of "family rides" at WDW where the lines can be relatively long and so it only make sense that small kids may have to take a potty break. My kids are 8 and 11 so if someone has to go to the bathroom and it can't wait til the ride is done, we get out of line and start over when they are done because they are too old for that stuff.

 

[Sammie]

As I stated in an earlier post, it does not bother DH and I at all. Even if you bring a child to the bathroom before getting in line there are no guarantees that they will not have to go again before the ride is over. We try to be very sympathetic to parents with young children.....that could be us someday and we would want the same courtesy. For those that get worked up about parents who leave the line to tend to their children and their needs, perhaps WDW is not the place for them to vacation. The only thing that gets me upset are the older kids and teens who plow through the line claiming their parents are ahead...other than that, I'm very understanding.

I also think that some parents need to be respectful of others also though. I have been line to have someone come up behind me and immediately the child ask to go to the bathroom and instead of simply turning around and going to the bathroom, the parent tells the child to Just Hold It. Of course as the line progresses, then the child can't hold it any longer and asks to leave and come back and get in line.

So the courtesy needs to work both ways. Including not plying kids with tons of soda during the day and water instead.

 

[Beca]

I also think that some parents need to be respectful of others also though. I have been line to have someone come up behind me and immediately the child ask to go to the bathroom and instead of simply turning around and going to the bathroom, the parent tells the child to Just Hold It. Of course as the line progresses, then the child can't hold it any longer and asks to leave and come back and get in line.

So the courtesy needs to work both ways. Including not plying kids with tons of soda during the day and water instead.

Yeah....lucky for you it wasn't a different kind of Pooh that you experienced on that trip!!!!

Sorry, Sammie....I just couldn't help it!!!



Beca

 

[KPeterso]

As a group of all adults, we do not care at all if you need to take your child out of line and come back. It happens. Several times with my Mom at Disneyland, I have gotten in line while she sits down for a few minutes. She is in her mid 60s and has horrible knees. She needs a few minutes of rest. We only do this when it is the 2 of us and we know the ride car is built for 2 seated together. Otherwise, it would just be me riding alone with an empty seat, so we do not put anyone back a spot. Otherwise we wait together, and I will sit down too. I look at it as I want people to let us let a person join us the same way I would give them that respect.