Line etiquette

[BostonRob]

Wikipedia excerpt, Interesting definitions

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cutting_(in_line)

"Covert cutting
In lieu of following the procedure mentioned above, some will cut in line by joining up with family members or friends already standing in line. This action is usually more acceptable, but can still be considered "cutting". Many times, this action is purely out of convenience, when one member of the group "saves a place" for the other members, especially when the wait is lengthy. However, this is not always the case. It is more acceptable when the two people are simply together to conduct one transaction, however if both people plan to conduct one transaction each, it is particularly disrespectful (especially in queues with slow cycle times due to high individual transaction times)."

This definition fits some of what has been discussed in this thread, but not all of it.
First, lets remember that wikipedia carries zero authority anywhere in the world. So this definition doesn't necessarily mean anything and there's certainly no reason to believe that Disney has accepted or adopted this definition.
This definition would seem to apply to those families that choose send one or more people for fastpasses while the rest of the family gets in line for another attraction, with the intention of letting the fastpass runners cut the rest of the line to join them.
This definition doesn't seem to apply to somebody who's in line who has to leave to go to the bathroom, because it doesn't say anything about somebody who left the line, then returned.

 

[MNWDWMANIAC]

Not at all. Most people don't understand that legally, an assault is merely a threat of physical violence - nobody has to get hurt for an assault to take place. As soon as you lead somebody to believe they're about to be touched in an offensive way, you've assaulted them.
So what are you saying when you make your blockade? I think you're saying that you're physically going to stop somebody from coming through. That doesn't sound very different from assault to me - its a threat of physical contact.

Assault/Battery

In most states, an assault/battery is committed when one person 1) tries to or does physically strike another, or 2) acts in a threatening manner to put another in fear of immediate harm. Many states declare that a more serious or "aggravated" assault/battery occurs when one 1) tries to or does cause severe injury to another, or 2) causes injury through use of a deadly weapon. Historically, laws treated the threat of physical injury as "assault", and the completed act of physical contact or offensive touching as "battery," but many states no longer differentiate between the two.


So if this person finds someone not letting them pass by say stretching across the que area and this person PUSHES or SHOVES into the people standing and "blocking" who then has moved things to a physical level?

I revert back to my previous answer. Go get a CM. Get CM before you have the issue.

If you get into the issue and someone is blocking you go get a CM. I have a feeling you will still get the same outcome, you will get to your family, the only thing is you will have experienced a blockade in the process. Which you could have avoided by just using common sense and being considerate to everyone.

You can't answer the problem by saying people shouldn't take it upon themselves to block the line and then say but someone who is blocked can go ahead and push past.

 

[Buzz Litebeer]

I don't have a low opinion of you or any other cast member. I merely said that CM's are generally young and inexperienced. Let me know if you disagree with this. I've been in management positions before and you don't generally place too much responsibilty on or require too much judgement from young, inexperienced employees. That doesn't imply a low opinion, that's just good sense.

I do disagree. Every CM must make judgement calls every day, each one of which can impact a Guest's vacation in a variety of ways. And for the record, I work with men and women of every age, race, color, creed, and experience level.

I got involved to try to prevent imperfect situations from escalating to violence.

This is coming from the same guy who wrote:

If somebody tried to "blockade" me to keep my from my family, there would be trouble.

Niiiiiice.

 

[perkinsrose]

This definition fits some of what has been discussed in this thread, but not all of it.
First, lets remember that wikipedia carries zero authority anywhere in the world. So this definition doesn't necessarily mean anything and there's certainly no reason to believe that Disney has accepted or adopted this definition.
This definition would seem to apply to those families that choose send one or more people for fastpasses while the rest of the family gets in line for another attraction, with the intention of letting the fastpass runners cut the rest of the line to join them.
This definition doesn't seem to apply to somebody who's in line who has to leave to go to the bathroom, because it doesn't say anything about somebody who left the line, then returned.

Personal opinions on Disney carry zero authority anywhere in the world.

I'm not attempting to be a voice of authority. I was offering another perspective on the topic. I am not suggesting this is Disney policy.

While you seem to have a definate and individualized point you are trying to argue, I was offering an outside source to consider.

I think there is alot of overt and covert cutting of many forms happening at WDW; justified in the minds of some and maybe others know that what they are doing is not right.

 

[BostonRob]

I do disagree. Every CM must make judgement calls every day, each one of which can impact a Guest's vacation in a variety of ways. And for the record, I work with men and women of every age, race, color, creed, and experience level.

This is coming from the same guy who wrote:

Niiiiiice.

I was waiting for that to come back at me. Yes, earlier I said that if somebody blockaded me from my family there's be "trouble" and "yelling." I got carried away with the argument when I posted that - it was a stupid thing to say. If I were really in that situatiuon, there would be a bit of an argument, and maybe a raised voice, but I would never get myself into a full-blown yelling/shouting sort of altercation in front of my kids or anybody elses.
But its a good illustration as to why people shouldn't blockade. I got frustrated because it just seems very wrong to me for people to encourage one another to form "blockades." Its vigilanteism and it is the first step in an escalation toward physical violence. If I get carried away on the internet at the mere suggestion of it, I think its safe to say that when actually faced wit this situation, there are many people who would really get carried away.

 

[Becx N Gav]

Just wanted to add my bit about letting young kids stand in front of you at parades. We were in AK and waited 40 mins or so in the perfect spot for the JAmmin Jungle parade. About 5 mins before a group arrived with some kids which basically they pushed in front of us (he was small we didn't mind). However we were trying to film the parade and every 2 seconds this little one (who wasn't being watched) kept whacking our camera! I basically had to stand and guard our borrowed camera (DH's Dad lent it to us for the trip) for fear of it being knocked off the tripod. Never again.

 

[scammermom]

"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"

- from The Original Rule Book

 

[Kaler131]

I've always wanted to handle the problem this way...

Butter: Excuse me, I'd like to join my group ahead of you.

Me: NP, I'd be glad to help you out. What's your name?

Butter: Umm, John?

Me, yelling: Hey John's friends!!! He's waiting back here for you to come join him!

LOL! Excellent idea!!!

 

[perkinsrose]

There's somebody on these boards who hates fast-pass because he feels its institutionalized line-cutting. I don't see how either fastpass or this editorial have anything to do with actual line cutting.
Despite how my arguements here have been interpretted, I'm 100% against line cutting.
But fastpass is a tool for time management - it's a way to start logging your time in line without physically standing in line.

And this guy's editorialy isn't really about line cutting, its really just a rant about businesses offering tiered services for people who pay more. I know a lot of people don't like that sort of thing, but it really isn't line cutting. How about the person who gets on the plane first and off the plane first because he paid 5 times as much to sit in first class - would you say he's cutting in line?

Or, even closer to home - how about EMH for people who have payed more to stay onsite - are they cutting line?

So someone holding your place while you go to the bathroom is kind of like logging on..?

This definition fits some of what has been discussed in this thread, but not all of it.
First, lets remember that wikipedia carries zero authority anywhere in the world. So this definition doesn't necessarily mean anything and there's certainly no reason to believe that Disney has accepted or adopted this definition.
This definition would seem to apply to those families that choose send one or more people for fastpasses while the rest of the family gets in line for another attraction, with the intention of letting the fastpass runners cut the rest of the line to join them.
This definition doesn't seem to apply to somebody who's in line who has to leave to go to the bathroom, because it doesn't say anything about somebody who left the line, then returned.

I'm saying that I've read people here say that they'll blockade anybody except an adult bringing a young kid back from the bathroom. So if I'm standing in line for a half hour, and suddenly I (a full grown adult) have to go to the bathroom, I expect to be able to re-join my group in line upon my return to the bathroom.

I'm no line-cutter. If somebody tried to "blockade" me to keep my from my family, there would be trouble. So I suggest that people try to use a little bit more discretion and figure out if somebody is actually a line-cutter, or if they're a normal person who's owed a little common courtesy and allowed to rejoin their family.

My point is--there are many forms of "cutting" some of which are outlined in the wikipedia site--the entire page, not just the quote i posted. Someone who is 100% against cutting has their own idea about what "cutting" is.

As i explained in previous post, i'm not claming to be (or claiming wikipedia is) the voice of authority on the matter. I acknowlege there is so much open to interpretation, it seems the most peaceful thing to do is let Disney & the CM at hand make the call.

 

[Lilogirl]

I was waiting for that to come back at me. Yes, earlier I said that if somebody blockaded me from my family there's be "trouble" and "yelling." I got carried away with the argument when I posted that - it was a stupid thing to say. If I were really in that situatiuon, there would be a bit of an argument, and maybe a raised voice, but I would never get myself into a full-blown yelling/shouting sort of altercation in front of my kids or anybody elses.
But its a good illustration as to why people shouldn't blockade. I got frustrated because it just seems very wrong to me for people to encourage one another to form "blockades." Its vigilanteism and it is the first step in an escalation toward physical violence. If I get carried away on the internet at the mere suggestion of it, I think its safe to say that when actually faced wit this situation, there are many people who would really get carried away.

So getting "carried away" and arguing a point on the internet is ok?

If you feel it is wrong for people to form a blockade-then don't form a blockade. If you feel you are being "blocked" unfairly, consult a CM for assistance.

Problem solved.

 

[MikeAidanEoinMom]

Just wanted to add my bit about letting young kids stand in front of you at parades. We were in AK and waited 40 mins or so in the perfect spot for the JAmmin Jungle parade. About 5 mins before a group arrived with some kids which basically they pushed in front of us (he was small we didn't mind). However we were trying to film the parade and every 2 seconds this little one (who wasn't being watched) kept whacking our camera! I basically had to stand and guard our borrowed camera (DH's Dad lent it to us for the trip) for fear of it being knocked off the tripod. Never again.

OR the adult who shoved his way next to us and woke up my little one. @@ IT was a double stroller and my middle child was awake watching the parade with me and DH standing behind. He came 1 min before Block party bash came to us and had a huge camera and was taking pictures ..leaning in front of me and knocking our stroller waking up out little one. We waited an hour in our spot and picked it to avoid people bumping into us to the right of us was a area you could not stand. We put the stroller there so the little one would not be disturbed ...he just weasled his way in. I just do not get this kind of attitude. Later in the week we were going to see spctromagic and got stuck in the monorail so we were late and did not get a good seat OH well we stood in back and made the best of it... We did not shove our way to the front

 

[MNWDWMANIAC]

I was waiting for that to come back at me. Yes, earlier I said that if somebody blockaded me from my family there's be "trouble" and "yelling." I got carried away with the argument when I posted that - it was a stupid thing to say. If I were really in that situatiuon, there would be a bit of an argument, and maybe a raised voice, but I would never get myself into a full-blown yelling/shouting sort of altercation in front of my kids or anybody elses.
But its a good illustration as to why people shouldn't blockade. I got frustrated because it just seems very wrong to me for people to encourage one another to form "blockades." Its vigilanteism and it is the first step in an escalation toward physical violence. If I get carried away on the internet at the mere suggestion of it, I think its safe to say that when actually faced wit this situation, there are many people who would really get carried away.

Just think... if people took a moment (and possibly a shorter route) and asked a CM to assist them in getting back to their family there would be nothing to get carried away about

 

[ntsammy5]

You know, no matter how carried away people get here, I think this is an exaggerated problem - we've never, ever had a problem with line etiquette in hundreds of trips to the parks! However, pool hoopers can be brutal!

 

[BostonRob]

So someone holding your place while you go to the bathroom is kind of like logging on..?

I don't know. I've said I don't know what disney's policy is on this, I've said that I don't think I've ever done it, but, as I've said, I am sympathetic and courteous to people that do have to make a bathroom trip; I'm not sure why anybody wouldn't extend that courteousy to other people. Yes, if people won't allow you back to you family, you should certainly get a CM to help you out. No doubt that would be the best thing to do. But I think all this talk of blockading is reckless, immature, and disturbing. I don't think I have anything else to say about it.

Oh yeah, and Lilogirl, it isn't OK to get carried away and post stupid things on the internet. I think I apologized for saying there would be trouble if somebody blockaded me from my family. If I didn't, I'll do it right now. I'm sorry for saying that. I hope nobody felt threatened or offended by that comment. I would never encourage or approve of "trouble," be it physical or threats or shouting in Disneyworld or anywhere else.

 

[MNWDWMANIAC]

You know, no matter how carried away people get here, I think this is an exaggerated problem - we've never, ever had a problem with line etiquette in hundreds of trips to the parks! However, pool hoopers can be brutal!

You just had to say it.. didn't you ..... anyone hear what I'm thinking?.....

Rhymes with "refillable mug"

 

[Lilogirl]

You just had to say it.. didn't you ..... anyone hear what I'm thinking?.....

Rhymes with "refillable mug"

 

[brunette8706]

Hi ALL!

I don't mind one or even two people meeting up with their party, but when you have like 3-and MORE (I've seen as much as 8 people butting in line to meet their party) then I think that is unacceptable! I think it's just GUTSY for people to do this!

Brunette

 

[MNWDWMANIAC]

What if I cut in line to get towels at the pool in a hotel I'm not staying at while drinking frozen coke in a refillable mug from last year?

Disclaimer: If this is the first post you are reading, I am completely kidding.

 

[Lilogirl]

What if I cut in line to get towels at the pool in a hotel I'm not staying at while drinking frozen coke in a refillable mug from last year?

Disclaimer: If this is the first post you are reading, I am completely kidding.

That depends, will you be eating your condiment bar salad? Or your brought from home bun?

Disclaimer: totally kidding!

 

[darlak]

That depends, will you be eating your condiment bar salad? Or your brought from home bun?

Disclaimer: totally kidding!

Well speaking for myself only of course, I will be eating my complete meal that I cooked in my crock pot or electric skillet that I brought from home! If I do happen to have my brought from home bun, it will be toasted in my toaster oven, also brought from home, of course.

Disclaimer: also totally kidding!