Line etiquette

[Dismom55]

Quite honestly, at first I thought those waiting in wheel chairs in the designated area, waited until their able to stand friends/family members got to the CM, then all would be put on the attraction together. I really thought that was the way it happened, only after some careful observation did I realize that was not totally the case.

However, I think that would be fair.

Got the pm, Thanks!

 

[Ms_Butterfly]

However, I think that would be fair.

You think it would be fair for somebody to have to wait alone while their friends had a good time in line just because that person had a disability? Would you like it if you were forced to wait alone because of something you couldn't change, like the color of your skin or your nationality? It is the same thing.

People who need accommodations for the lines or rides at Disney usually wait just as long, if not much longer (sometimes 30+ minutes longer), than everybody else. Thankfully, many of the lines are now wide enough to accommodate wheelchairs and ECVs through most or all of the line. Even after getting to the loading area, if a person has to wait for the one (or one of two) accessible car, that's an even longer wait. You could be in line for your next ride when they're just getting on this one.

Sometimes CMs handle accommodations correctly and sometimes they don't.

 

[webstah]

MS Butterfly,
You missed a good chunk of that

"I thought those waiting in wheel chairs in the designated area, waited until their able to stand friends/family members got to the CM, then all would be put on the attraction together"

Yes, it would be fair to give people with a disability a place where they can wait for their families to get to the same point so they can all ride together.
Disney goes one step further however.
When we were their last year, with my MIL in an ECV, they had the whole group of us go to the disabled entrance so that my MIL was not waiting alone.

 

[PrincessAli]

And people complain about ECV on the buses--Ü I do believe that should be the LEAST of their problems!

 

[MNWDWMANIAC]

I don't think there was anyone complaining about "ECV's on buses" specifically.

I don't think anyone has a problem with that.....

I believe the point of the other thread (that is being explained out of context) is that someone was upset that 14 people boarded a bus because they were traveling with someone you was using a EVC in front of all the other guests waiting in line.

The OP was merely expressing her their that something like that would be allowed. It might be best to read about and discuss that subject in that thread instead of bringing half the story to this one.

 

[DCLMan]

Cultural Issues: Lining up for Mickey

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/18/weekinreview/18fountain.html

excerpts:

"Europeans, Mr. Rasulo added, "have very different attitudes about how they wait for things." At the Disneyland Resort Paris, while British visitors are orderly, French and Italians "never saw a line they couldn't be in front of."

After the French park opened, Mr. Rasulo said, the company made the lines narrower by moving handrails closer together to try to prevent people from pushing ahead of others. He said the Peter Pan attraction at the Paris park was so popular that it is the only Peter Pan ride in all of Disney's parks to have Fastpass, which allows people to come back at a specific time and is an effective way to control pushy crowds."


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The line jumpers/queue dodgers in DLRP would drive the calmest person to drink. The other problem you have there is the language issue. No one understands "please don't push past me".

Character meetings are the worst. Imagine a rugby scrum with Mickey Mouse as the ball.

 

[Karnak]

... what if he had to use the restroom or go throw something away or get some first aid?

What if he didn't have to go throw something away? Or whatever. How in the world is the person who is being passed supposed to know WHY the cutter is cutting the line?

If he/she had to go to the bathroom, or throw something away, or get some first aid, it seems to me like the people in his party should have waited for him/her instead of getting in line before the late member of the party could get there. That way, they could all be in line together instead of causing that tardy person to be a line cutter.

Karnak

 

[karen2669]

Am I the only person who understands BostonRob's issue? Blockading people, even the rudest of the rude, is not smart nor is it good behavor. Especially for all of you parents who are smart enough to teach their kids about waiting, and being polite. I would not cut the line, nor would I blockade someone else. First: I don't know their situation or reason for trying to get ahead. Second: I would never want my children or anyone elses children to see me act like that. Some would say that the cutter is selfish, okay. So what.

Also, I like the idea of getting a CM. Unfortunately, this is the first time I had ever heard that. (I am relatively new to these boards) and I am sure that since only a fraction of the visitors in the parks read these boards that many others haven't thought of getting a CM either.

As for the disabled, or anyone needing assistance..life is harder on you already, take whatever steps needed to make your vacation enjoyable.

However, I think our logic in the midwest (I am from Indiana) must be a little different than that in the "bostonish" area...there is another poster on these boards from the "bostonish" area that is doing the same kind of unreasonable arguing on other threads...it just does not me sense, they argue non-sense, cut-and-dry areas until the thread is closed

This was from mkycrzy1971. (I cut and pasted..nor really tech savvy)

Oh and I am from New England (Maine actually) so not the midwest. And I took exception to the comment about the people from the Bostonish area made earlier. We are all human and make mistakes. I however, will try to not make character judgements because someone has a different opinion from mine.

Thanks

 

[mkycrzy1971]

Am I the only person who understands BostonRob's issue? Blockading people, even the rudest of the rude, is not smart nor is it good behavor. Especially for all of you parents who are smart enough to teach their kids about waiting, and being polite. I would not cut the line, nor would I blockade someone else. First: I don't know their situation or reason for trying to get ahead. Second: I would never want my children or anyone elses children to see me act like that. Some would say that the cutter is selfish, okay. So what.

Also, I like the idea of getting a CM. Unfortunately, this is the first time I had ever heard that. (I am relatively new to these boards) and I am sure that since only a fraction of the visitors in the parks read these boards that many others haven't thought of getting a CM either.

As for the disabled, or anyone needing assistance..life is harder on you already, take whatever steps needed to make your vacation enjoyable.

Oh and I am from New England (Maine actually) so not the midwest. And I took exception to the comment about the people from the Bostonish area made earlier. We are all human and make mistakes. I however, will try to not make character judgements because someone has a different opinion from mine.

Thanks

Your right...it is about as smart as trying to cut line in front of 100-200 people...again, as you stated, "Especially for all of you parents who are smart enough to teach their kids about waiting, and being polite" and also, as you stated, "I would never want my children or anyone elses children to see me act like that."...it IS very rude, immature, selfish (or whatever else you want to call it) to teach your children to have such bad manners as to cut in line for ANY reason...Sorry, it is just that I was taught good manners "here in the midwest"...last time I checked not cutting in line WAS good manners

 

[Sleeping Becca]

I would not cut the line, nor would I blockade someone else. First: I don't know their situation or reason for trying to get ahead. Second: I would never want my children or anyone elses children to see me act like that.

I think preventing obvious cutters from moving forward, and informing them in a civilized manner that the line starts back there, is not setting a bad example for my children. Just like if I see someone stealing something at a store, I tell them in front of my child I saw what they did and if they don't put it back I'm getting security. If someone is using bad language in line, I will also tell them to please stop.

A majority of people in this thread are not going to block every person who tries to pass them. Every situation is different, there is no blanket answer, we are not speaking in absolutes here. For some reason everything said on this board is taken as black or white absolutes. If someone says they got run over by an ECV, someone comes in and accuses them of hating the handicapped. Silly IMHO.

It is a personal judgement call to block or not to block, but I wouldn't say that if I choose to block a group of kids from passing my family in line is setting a bad example for my kids.

 

[karen2669]

but I wouldn't say that if I choose to block a group of kids from passing my family in line is setting a bad example for my kids.

I don't think it sets a bad example. That is not what I meant. I think that rudeness is rudeness no matter which side of "right" you are on.

When you get thousands of people in one place, there will be some people who are rude or selfish. I am just saying that two "wrongs" do not make a right!

As for bad language...that is just intolerable.

And I wouldn't, on my morality scale, equate line cutting with stealing. That is another thing entirely.

Just my opinion.

 

[darlak]

I don't think it sets a bad example. That is not what I meant. I think that rudeness is rudeness no matter which side of "right" you are on.

When you get thousands of people in one place, there will be some people who are rude or selfish. I am just saying that two "wrongs" do not make a right!

As for bad language...that is just intolerable.

And I wouldn't, on my morality scale, equate line cutting with stealing. That is another thing entirely.

Just my opinion.

I think we would all agree that 2 "wrongs do not make a right!". Where I think some of our opinions take a different direction is in the fact the stopping the line cutters (let's call it the 1st wrong) is not in fact "wrong" at all. Rather, some of us see it a logical consequence and reasonable reaction to the line cutters rude behavior.

I also see a real parallel between stealing and line cutting. Both actions are taking something that rightfully belongs to someone else. While one may have a monetary value and the other doesn’t, it is no less wrong, in my opinion. It tends to be a slippery slope when we try to paint misdeeds with different shadings according to how wrong we think they are.

 

[CanadianGuy]

If you have any concerns with how Disney manages the lines and queues at their rides and attractions -- those concerns are best addressed by contacting Disney directly at :

wdw.guest.communications@disneyworld.com

or

Walt Disney World Guest Communications
PO Box 10040
Lake Buena Vista, FL 32830-0040

I would encourage people to avoid a confrontation of any aggressive variety as that is as likely as anything to get you ejected from Disney parks and possibly even Disney resorts.

I swear, I have been going to Disney since 1994 and have more visits under my belt than I can count.. and I can't say that this has EVER been a problem I've noticed.

Regardless, arguing about it here isn't gonig to change anything... including other peoples minds. Contact Disney with your concerns, they and only they can address them.

Thanks.. nothing to see here..

Knox