Line cutting

[raidermatt]

I essentially agree with the original post. Getting out of line to use the bathroom and returning is fine. Why should I care if somebody stays and suffers? I'm 10 spots behind them whether they stay or leave and come back. I personally don't want to have to go through the hassle of getting by people with them not even knowing for sure what I'm doing, so I try and have succeeded in avoiding this for myself and my family. But stuff happens, and I take no pleasure in forcing somebody to "hold it".

I also don't have a problem with one person joining a group. For the same reasons stated above, we wait until we can all join together, but I don't really care what somebody else does. In most cases, it was a bathroom break or a FastPass run, and that's fine.

People just flat out cutting, or using their kid as an excuse to move up is different, but even then, I can't see getting overly upset about it. If that's how they want to live their life, so be it.

Remember, "Cheetahs never prosper."

 

[Mariposa]

I appreciate your post. It is well mannered and intelligent. However, theoretically, they may never get to the blasted ride if the line is that long and they keep havin gto get out and then back to the end again. Or even more realistically, turn a 45 minute wait into a 3 hr wait. and EVERYONE should enjoy Disney. No one should miss out on account of something like that.

You also mentioned that 10 other people may be suffering..my answer to that is WHY? Why should anyone suffer. If one person meets their family in line ahead f me..am I suffering? No. I will get the next row or the next seat.

So why should someone else stand there and suffer, just so I don't get huffy over something that will delay me for, oh maybe...1 minute???

As for the suffering, I meant that there may be other people who refuse to leave the line or are unable to leave the line because they have no one to hold their place- not that it would cause suffering to allow someone to go ahead of me. I'm not that impatient.

Honestly, I don't know how to answer your question.. I would hope Disney would be understanding and give guest assistance cards to anyone who had a condition that made it impossible for them to wait in line. Maybe they don't? And I'd hope anyone that would need one would be able to ask.. (I really understand how embarrassing this kind of thing could be.) but understand that may not be the case. I mean, I'd like to think that anyone who would frequently need to leave a line would be eligible for a GAC? (Honestly, I want to know, not being rude- I'm appalled if this isn't the case.)
And I know that the GAC doesn't let you skip the line and just puts you in an alternate line, but I'd assume that situation would be much more forgiving if you had to leave the line for a few minutes.

Beyond that, I wish I had a better answer to your question, seriously. I have no way of knowing if someone has a condition they needed to leave the line for or if they just feel that they should be allowed to skip everyone- so I generally just invite people to wait behind me instead of skipping me.

(Although, honestly, if someone explained they had a chronic condition that caused them to leave the line and their family was up ahead waiting for them, and I believed they were telling the truth, I'd let them pass me-- it's just that this never happens to me. What happens to me is someone tries to barrel through me, I tell them no, they tell me that they're going to meet their friends and try to shove past again, I tell them no, and then they call me special names.. which is fun.)

 

[TinkNH]

I agree with line cutting being a pet peeve of mine as well.
I also want to say thank you to all of you who understand that sometimes a just turned 4 yr old does not have the forsight to "go" before getting in line EVEN if asked! I have had to run out and take her several times at other parks, and sometimes there is someone who is so snarky about it, and trust me I do say excuse me and please! And DH even waits at a turn where we can easily get back to him by going over or under a rope..letting ppl pass him till we return, so we don't have to excuse ourself through the whole line. I was a little worried about this scenario in our upcoming trip (I had a woman at Sesame place yelling at me last year for this!) Its good to know some ppl understand

 

[ilovepooh]

Letting a parent and a small child back through after a legitimate trip out of line is not going to get you onto a ride or attraction that much faster. I guess those that would object never bothered to bring a child to an amusement park or their children were the perfect ones with a bladder the size of a watermelon.

I agree. What's the big deal? It's common courtesy to let someone (already in line) get out of line and get back to their spot.

Cutting is when someone gets in line and then waves on a few to several others to go up to where they are-hence cutting in front of people who were there BEFORE THEY got there!!

 

[TinkNH]

Kaytieeldr who posted this..Put yourself in my place. I generally visit WDW alone. I wait in line, and just before I reach the loading area, I get that Detrol LA condition. Now I've got to get out of line, and start over from the beginning. There's nobody for me to catch up WITH.--

-I would hold your place for you if you needed to use the bathroom....

Sorry for those of you who disagree, but's that's the way I feel. And I hope you read my 3 consecutive posts, sorry for so many, BEFORE you disagreed..

I guess I am just more lienient, passive or pliable....however you want to characterize it...You can blast me all you want.....I just don't consider holding a place in line for ONE person who has to go to the bathroom or ONE person (and a kid) a big deal.

You are not alone! Id hold the spot too...I mean a little compassion for other people goes a long long long way don't it?

 

[Mariposa]

I agree. What's the big deal? It's common courtesy to let someone (already in line) get out of line and get back to their spot.

Cutting is when someone gets in line and then waves on a few to several others to go up to where they are-hence cutting in front of people who were there BEFORE THEY got there!!

Well, I guess it all depends on your definition of "cutting", then. I was always taught that cutting is when you try, in a line, to get in front of anyone you are not CURRENTLY in front of. So, while I'll let a parent and a kid back in life if they were there before and have family in the line, I've never done it and never allowed DD (currently 8) to do it, either. If she had to go pee-pee we all left and rejoined the back of the line. I found that it ensured she tried to go before we got in a line and made sure she REALLY had to go before we left the line.

 

[Tiffer]

I have no way of knowing if someone has a condition they needed to leave the line for or if they just feel that they should be allowed to skip everyone- so I generally just invite people to wait behind me instead of skipping me.

(Although, honestly, if someone explained they had a chronic condition that caused them to leave the line and their family was up ahead waiting for them, and I believed they were telling the truth, I'd let them pass me-- it's just that this never happens to me. What happens to me is someone tries to barrel through me, I tell them no, they tell me that they're going to meet their friends and try to shove past again, I tell them no, and then they call me special names.. which is fun.)

Yo are exactly right..you have know way of knowing who is legitimate and who is not...again, I am talking about one person or an adult with a kid or senoir citizen...Certainly you seem like an intelligent person and I'm sure you are compassionate and would not except or subject someone to the demeaning humiliation, in line, at WDW to explain their chronic condition to you and/or each guest in line....as such, you should just let the ONE/one adult with a child, just meet their party.

There is no skin off your nose..and may be some off of theirs...
Not to say that some people don't or won't take advantage, but it is worth even if 9 out of 10 people take advantage, because you are helping the one person who may need it...legitimately!

 

[cabanafrau]

Plenty of the minor scenarios posted on here wouldn't constitute line cutting in my book, but I can understand the points some of you have made.

I posted what happened to our family earlier this month on another thread, but it's a perfect fit for this one, too. We had gotten in a smallish line for Spaceship Earth -- all 4 together, no one stopped @ Starbucks, got a manicure, ran for fastpasses to BTMRR or did anything but stand in line together. A middle-aged couple pushed past us rather rudely, but we let them go w/o much thought, assuming they were joining the rest of their party. Imagine our surprise when they merely stopped directly ahead of us -- joining no one else! We still didn't think much about it when, a few minutes later, yet another middle-aged couple pushes rudely to get past us -- have I forgotten the part where they couldn't be bothered to say excuse me? Both couples, no less! You probably guessed it, they were joining the rest of their party -- couple # 1 who pushed through to be ahead of us!! The really fabu bonus prize was when they turned to give us the stink eye, as if we were the ones who pushed past them & not vice versa!

Yeah, it was pretty annoying, but I have the feeling that it's actually going to turn into one of our special, one-of-a-kind, family souvenirs of the trip, as we have talked about it several times since we've been home & it seems to be getting funnier & funnier to us the more we tell the story.

 

[TinkNH]

"Line cutting can most definitely be a pain in the you know what but it's funny that most of the guide books/tour guide websites that I have seen advise guests to line cut inorder to save time (fast pass runner) or to give a fussy toddler a break while mom or dad wait in line..... "

It's funny you should mention this! I also was wondering about that. The Unoffical Guide promotes the Hail Mary pass ("allows children and one adult to rest, snack, cool off or go potty while another adult stands in line. Other guests are understanding about this stragedy when used for young children")
and the Chuck Bubba relay ("Mom and Bubba enter waiting line, Dad gets specific number of people in front of him then gets in line; Mom hands Bubba to Dad to ride a second time"). The U/G seems to think both stragedies are fine.
Seriously, if I hadn't stumbled across Disboards and discovered that these techniques seem to really irk people, I would've thought it was fine. I wonder if a lot of people read the guides, and then do this because they think it is fine?

Kelly

When I read this part of the UG I was a tad horrified! I mean I understand ppl having the NEED to go..esp little ones (the under 9 set) and older folks but sendign one person to the line and then doing something else seems wrong to me..and dont even get me started on the chuck bubba relay! That seems REAL innapropriate. Besides the fact that it is not teaching children a very good lesson is it? My DD is 4 and rather impatient, but she needs to learn that you have to wait your turn a lot in life! But if any of you need to "go" and are infront of me in line..please go and i will let you back in front of me with a smile (as long as you are polite )

 

[sleepyone]

I was always taught that cutting is when you try, in a line, to get in front of anyone you are not CURRENTLY in front of.

I totally agree with this. If someone in our family needed to exit the line for a bathroom break, we'd all get out of line and just get to the back of the line on our return.

 

[ilovepooh]

I agree Tiffer. I'm not going to ask one person to tell me their personal medical information before I allow them to pass me. If it's one person with a small child or just one person-what's the big deal! Again, more than that is not acceptable!

One person is not going to make that much of a difference in my wait time. I was taught to have compassion for others, but not to let people take advantage of my kindness either.

 

[Markstudy]

I agree. What's the big deal? It's common courtesy to let someone (already in line) get out of line and get back to their spot.
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The problem is... that in a long line, there could be 100 people that didn't see that "someone" leave, and now when that person comes back, you have 100 people feeling cheated, even though you knew that the "someone" left the line just to come back to the same spot.

It is the collective bad energy of all the people in line, that think they might be getting cut-in-front-off, that makes this seemingly small little deal into a big deal



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[Markstudy]

One person is not going to make that much of a difference in my wait time. I was taught to have compassion for others, but not to let people take advantage of my kindness either.

Yes, but 50 people like yourself, each let one person in line durring my day, I lose about 30 minutes, over a 12 hour period.

Over a weeks stay... that's 3.5 hours that your line-of-logic has robbed from good people (who were trying to follow the rules), and paid to all the people that don't have their act together





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[Dicecatt]

I'm going to gingerly stick my neck out to ask this question...

We are a family of 6...Me, DH, DD11, Twins 7, and baby, 1. As far as I'm concerned, if the twins can't tell me they have to go before they get on the ride, they can either hold it or miss the ride while everyone else in our family rides.

HOWEVER...what if baby 1 needs a sudden diaper change? And we are 20 minutes into a 40 minute wait? I mean seriously, no one around us would want to stand there for 20 more minutes, her little hiny wouldn't want to stand there for 20 more minutes...what if I took the baby out to change her and rejoined my family?

I honestly don't have a problem with an adult taking one young (not age 13) out and rejoining the line for a potty need. I wouldn't do it the ages of my children, but if a three year old has to go, they have to go! But would everyone really expect me to either miss the ride due to changing the baby, or the rest of my family to leave the line? I think this is getting really extreme...what happened to the magic? This is such a little thing. And I have to say, having been at Disneyland and Disneyworld when the twins were 3 and 5, we never left a line at all, so I am not advocating this as a common practice, I'm talking immediate need only.

 

[DumboDash2006]

Ok, really how often does this happen? Granted two weeks ago was my first trip in 10 years, but in 4.5 days I can only think of ONE time someone cut in front of us and not once did anyone get out of line and try to get back. If they had and it was one adult with a small child or a polite adult, I wouldn't have had a problem with it. It's WDW, I'm happy, peace and love and all that lol.

 

[aurorasleeping]

I was a cast member in MK attractions for about 3.5 years (2002-2005), and saw a lot of instances of "cutting". Some I let go, some I stepped in and stopped. Disney's "offical" policy is pretty lenient, but each cast member usually enforces it to a different degree (more often than not, stricter).

On most rides 1 person joining their party (or one person and a *small* child) will not effect when *I* get on the ride. On many rides, parties are sat together usually in thier own ride vehicle (i.e. dumbo, magic carpets, winnie the pooh ride, etc...), so whether they have 3 people or 4 it won't matter, it'll take the same number of ride vehicles.
I'm apparently in the minority because I have no problem with the "hail mary" (I think that's what it's called...sorry if I've got that wrong...I've never heard that before...) pass. If it is only 1 *young* child being passed to another parent. PLEASE don't flame me for this, it's just my opinion (and, no I don't have kids. It doesn't bother me (nor most cast members) because it actually makes no difference to the wait time. (If it's 1 young child, and their 4 brothers and sisters, aunts, uncles, etc... then I have a problem with it)

As far as adults "cutting".... If it's *one* polite adult catching up with their family, that they had to leave for a particular reason, that's ok. (I wanted to shop...is not a good reason).
If one person gets in line and then 20 minutes later their 14 friends try and join them - that's not ok. (I once actually stopped a family who did this (2 adults waited in line and 13 yes thirteen others (kids & adults) tried to join them about 85% of the way through the *long* line...yes I got called a lot of special names by those people...and then security came...I got called a racist *bad name for a girl* and then the mean people went away).

I'm usually pretty easy going at the parks, and as long as you are POLITE I will let you and your young child catch up with your family. Because in my experience it won't really make a difference in how long I wait. (Also I do not want to wait around a screaming/smelly child)

Also, as far as the Guest Assistance Passes are concerened, (when I worked there) there were only about 2 reasons a guest could get a "front of the line/no wait" pass. (1 of which were make a wish kids), other passes either got the group (up ot 6 people) free fast passes, or a trip through the regular que with everybody else. (in some instances we allowed the person who couldn't wait in line, with maybe (depending on age/situation) one other person wait outside of the ride que, but close by and they were allowed to board the ride when the rest of the party made it to the front of the line (by waiting with everyone else).
Most ride que's are fully wheelchair accessible, so not waiting in line because you can't stand for a long period of time, shouldn't be an issue. But if you have a condition such as IBS or something that causes frequent dire need for a restroom, you can't get a front of the line pass for that, nor can you get a fast pass on all rides, so if the person needs to get out of line run to the rest room, come back and join their family, thats fine. I don't want anyone to be in pain while waiting for a ride. Especially when they don't have to be in pain. (Nor do I want that person to have to expain their, often embarssing, medical condition to everyone (or anyone) in line.)

Sorry if I kinda rambled... Hope my point came across though.

 

[Mariposa]

Also, as far as the Guest Assistance Passes are concerened, (when I worked there) there were only about 2 reasons a guest could get a "front of the line/no wait" pass. (1 of which were make a wish kids), other passes either got the group (up ot 6 people) free fast passes, or a trip through the regular que with everybody else. (in some instances we allowed the person who couldn't wait in line, with maybe (depending on age/situation) one other person wait outside of the ride que, but close by and they were allowed to board the ride when the rest of the party made it to the front of the line (by waiting with everyone else).
Most ride que's are fully wheelchair accessible, so not waiting in line because you can't stand for a long period of time, shouldn't be an issue. But if you have a condition such as IBS or something that causes frequent dire need for a restroom, you can't get a front of the line pass for that, nor can you get a fast pass on all rides, so if the person needs to get out of line run to the rest room, come back and join their family, thats fine. I don't want anyone to be in pain while waiting for a ride. Especially when they don't have to be in pain. (Nor do I want that person to have to expain their, often embarssing, medical condition to everyone (or anyone) in line.)

Sorry if I kinda rambled... Hope my point came across though.

Just wanted to make something clearer than I did.. When I said that if someone who had a chronic condition wanted to get back to their family and I believed them that I'd let them pass, I meant that if I believed they'd left their family--not that I'd expect someone to explain any condition to me. My fault for not making it clear, but I'd never expect that.

I was unaware that you physically could not get a GAC for ailments that would make you have to leave the line rather frequently (and I'm rather disgusted with the policy). In that case, I'll gladly amend my only allowing 1 adult with 1 small child past me to include single polite adults.

My main annoyance with people trying to get past me is less that I'll miss 1 boat, etc, and more that for some unknown reason someone has taken it upon themselves to decide they are more important than the rest of the line. Like I said, it's never the polite people who want to cut me, it's the people who are literally shoving me while announcing, "Move lady, d***!" Maybe if I'd just met kinder, gentler line-cutters I wouldn't have such a problem with it.

 

[Samantha/NC]

I agree with the poster that said -there is no reason to cut in line--we did fp for everything and yes we sent dh and bil for the fp-but we NEVER got into line until they got there, we would wait at the entrance to the line and then go on. At times if we somehow got seperated while in line-we always let families pass us so that we could get back with our party! To me it is just rude--but lots of people are rude these days!!

 

[Tiffer]

Just wanted to make something clearer than I did.. When I said that if someone who had a chronic condition wanted to get back to their family and I believed them that I'd let them pass, I meant that if I believed they'd left their family--not that I'd expect someone to explain any condition to me. My fault for not making it clear, but I'd never expect that.

I was unaware that you physically could not get a GAC for ailments that would make you have to leave the line rather frequently (and I'm rather disgusted with the policy). In that case, I'll gladly amend my only allowing 1 adult with 1 small child past me to include single polite adults.

My main annoyance with people trying to get past me is less that I'll miss 1 boat, etc, and more that for some unknown reason someone has taken it upon themselves to decide they are more important than the rest of the line. Like I said, it's never the polite people who want to cut me, it's the people who are literally shoving me while announcing, "Move lady, d***!" Maybe if I'd just met kinder, gentler line-cutters I wouldn't have such a problem with it.

YEAH MARIPOSA!!!! I KNEW you were cool!

 

[Katems]

You guys...the Hail Mary and Chuck Bubba relay do NOT alter YOUR position in line. The parent in line is going to take up a whole Dumbo or whole Peter Pan ship ANYway. Now they are just adding their ONE child to the parent's vehicle. IT DOES NOT AFFECT YOUR OWN SPOT! Now, it IS only for ONE or TWO children to be added--whatever amount will fill the vehicle the parent is already going to be using. I did it once with Pooh....I could have ridden alone in that big seat or with my daughter....the back seat was still empty for another set of riders, no matter what!