Line cutting

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[msgrimm23]

i have to agree with you. i once have a large non english speaking group with the flag start cutting in line. the flag hold stood at the line entrance and the group all of about hundred was cutting in line to get with the rest of there group. And i have been split up with my family because of the line cutting people one minute im with then the next i 10 people behind and when i say excuse me my family is up there they give you a look that could kill. we need more enforcement of the line cutter. my family will chant line cutters line cutters when people do cut

 

[Tosie]

Some a$$es from NJ did this to DSis and I this past week, and then had the audacity to claim they did nothing wrong. The mom ran ahead (so far ahead that DSis and I had no idea she was even with anyone else) and got on line, and as we are snaking in the queue, I feel little hands on my bum, and a kid (age about 6 or 7) pushes past me to get with her. Then her husband and another kid (about 12?) show up behind us and sheepishly ask to get with the rest of them. I let them go but told them they were no better than the Brazilian tourist groups notorious for cutting and the mom snaps that they were "a family" as if that gives them some special privilege. I know if either DSis or I ran ahead of our parents, they would have told us to wait for them before entering the queue, but here was a mom behaving worse than a young child. I hope she got a heat rash or the trots.

Not sure how you knew they were from NJ, but I assure you, we're not ALL like that!!

 

[robinb]

The more I go to WDW, the less line cutting annoys me. I just don't care about the garden variety onsies and twosies catch-up line cutting. It is just not worth it for me to get upset. I am a much happier camper Disney Mellow than all annoyed with righteous indignation. My family likes me that way too.

I don't mind when people leave for the potty and return, or if one adult gets FPs and then catches up with the rest of the family/group. I don't even mind the teenager who rushes ahead of me only to wave the rest of his family or buddies into the line with him a couple minutes later as long as he doesn't push me on his way by. The Bubba/Hail Mary doesn't bother me either because of the size of the ride vehicle. I have used it myself at Dumbo by having my husband pass my then-toddler DD under the chain at the last turn. No one waited any longer than they needed to since my DD and I used the same number of Dumbos as I would have alone. No harm, no foul AFAIC.

 

[ntsammy5]

i have to agree with you. i once have a large non english speaking group with the flag start cutting in line. the flag hold stood at the line entrance and the group all of about hundred was cutting in line to get with the rest of there group.

I HATE that. I generally say something rude, then grab the flag and run with it!

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[Mousema]

They are not very easy to get and it may be embarassing to ask a stranger for a pass for your IBS!!!

Then you go to your doctor and get a letter and go to guest relations and get a card. That is why they exist

 

[Tiffer]

Then you go to your doctor and get a letter and go to guest relations and get a card. That is why they exist

If you read the post from the CM, aurorasleeping,you will see that are not easy to get. They are in fact RARE. A Dr. note doesn't necessarily do it.

So you are so incensed about this that you think one person should have to go to the Dr. and pay $$ to get a note, maybe have to leave work to go, just so they don't meet their party in line, that doesn't effect your wait itme anyway...???

That's rational.

Did you read this entire thread?

 

[SyracuseWolvrine]

It's funny you should mention this! I also was wondering about that. The Unoffical Guide promotes the Hail Mary pass ("allows children and one adult to rest, snack, cool off or go potty while another adult stands in line. Other guests are understanding about this stragedy when used for young children")
and the Chuck Bubba relay ("Mom and Bubba enter waiting line, Dad gets specific number of people in front of him then gets in line; Mom hands Bubba to Dad to ride a second time"). The U/G seems to think both stragedies are fine.

The unofficial guide also promotes the using of napkins in the shoes to make a too-short child tall enough for rides, which should be universally frowned upon. (Height requirements are there for the CHILD's safety)

 

[Mousema]

If you read the post from the CM, aurorasleeping,you will see that are not easy to get. They are in fact RARE. A Dr. note doesn't necessarily do it.

So you are so incensed about this that you think one person should have to go to the Dr. and pay $$ to get a note, maybe have to leave work to go, just so they don't meet their party in line, that doesn't effect your wait itme anyway...???

That's rational.

Did you read this entire thread?

I didn't mean to start WWIII. I just meant that if you truly have a chronic ailment that means you can't wait in lines, you should go the dr route. I did not know that Disney wasn't supportive of medical needs. I have read on the disability boards that not all CM's seem to support the GAC's. If you have an ailment I assume that you visit the dr regularly. I myself am diabetic and understand about the $$ and time for doctors.

 

[tjmw2727]

If you read the post from the CM, aurorasleeping,you will see that are not easy to get. They are in fact RARE. A Dr. note doesn't necessarily do it.

So you are so incensed about this that you think one person should have to go to the Dr. and pay $$ to get a note, maybe have to leave work to go, just so they don't meet their party in line, that doesn't effect your wait itme anyway...???

That's rational.

Did you read this entire thread?

Actually, the CM said a GAC for head of the line is rare. Not to argue but to hopefully help someone, a GAC is fairly easy to get and you don't need a doctor note. I imagine things have changed since the CM mentioned it has been over 2 years since she was a CM. Since the ADA Act Disney can no longer require a doctors note as proof that a guest needs "extra assistance".

Now as the CM mentioned a GAC is not a head of the line pass or a fast pass but its meant to help guests that may otherwise not be able to wait online do so. Yes you will have to go to guest services and explain the situation and ask the CM for the accomodations you need. You will get a card that will tell the attraction CM's how help you enjoy the attractions without aggravating your medical condition. IMHO the Guest Relations CM's and the attraction CM's are very helpful and extremely tactful when dealing with medical issues and GAC's.

For example my sil has MS, she has alot of trouble regulating her body temp - if she gets hot she can't cool down and suffers numbness in her limbs. The GAC doesn't shorten her wait but it allows her to wait in a shady area if the queue isn't shaded or to wait in AC if available. BTW this dosen't shorten her wait - in fact sometimes it lengthens the wait but if she can take her 5yo and 3yo to WDW its worth it for her. If you use FP correctly however you may never need to use a GAC.

For those who truly can't wait the lines due to a medical issue visit the DisAbilities board a few down from here, great info and very nice folks!

TJ

 

[melomouse]

The more I go to WDW, the less line cutting annoys me. I just don't care about the garden variety onsies and twosies catch-up line cutting. It is just not worth it for me to get upset. I am a much happier camper Disney Mellow than all annoyed with righteous indignation. My family likes me that way too.

I don't mind when people leave for the potty and return, or if one adult gets FPs and then catches up with the rest of the family/group. I don't even mind the teenager who rushes ahead of me only to wave the rest of his family or buddies into the line with him a couple minutes later as long as he doesn't push me on his way by. The Bubba/Hail Mary doesn't bother me either because of the size of the ride vehicle. I have used it myself at Dumbo by having my husband pass my then-toddler DD under the chain at the last turn. No one waited any longer than they needed to since my DD and I used the same number of Dumbos as I would have alone. No harm, no foul AFAIC.

, Robin.

I have difficulty with some of the righteous indignation such as,"If MY kid can learn to wait, yours can, too".

My Asperger's son used a GAC for the VERY first time of 5 trips last fall. It is NOT a guarantee to fastpass or front of the line. It is "at CM discretion". That said, DS has good days and bad days. We try to go off season. We don't "rush" to do everything. We never do long, long lines because DS simply CANNOT spend more than 45 minutes to an hour without making you, me and everyone crazy on his bad days. We work with reinforcers, breaks, sensory issues, etc to make our trips enjoyable. And they are.

But you can bet your boots I am going to be outside the attraction with him as long as possible if there are 2 others in my party to be on line so as not to have his sensory issues go off big time in a confined space. And then I will join the line - 2 people.

Unfortunately, mom and hubby - my other travelling companions besides my kids, are no longer with us. Life's just way too short to worry about this - unless of course, it's a group of 6 outside with 1 person "holding" the place in line.

 

[Tiffer]

Actually, the CM said a GAC for head of the line is rare. Not to argue but to hopefully help someone, a GAC is fairly easy to get and you don't need a doctor note. I imagine things have changed since the CM mentioned it has been over 2 years since she was a CM. Since the ADA Act Disney can no longer require a doctors note as proof that a guest needs "extra assistance".

Now as the CM mentioned a GAC is not a head of the line pass or a fast pass but its meant to help guests that may otherwise not be able to wait online do so. Yes you will have to go to guest services and explain the situation and ask the CM for the accomodations you need. You will get a card that will tell the attraction CM's how help you enjoy the attractions without aggravating your medical condition. IMHO the Guest Relations CM's and the attraction CM's are very helpful and extremely tactful when dealing with medical issues and GAC's.

For example my sil has MS, she has alot of trouble regulating her body temp - if she gets hot she can't cool down and suffers numbness in her limbs. The GAC doesn't shorten her wait but it allows her to wait in a shady area if the queue isn't shaded or to wait in AC if available. BTW this dosen't shorten her wait - in fact sometimes it lengthens the wait but if she can take her 5yo and 3yo to WDW its worth it for her. If you use FP correctly however you may never need to use a GAC.

For those who truly can't wait the lines due to a medical issue visit the DisAbilities board a few down from here, great info and very nice folks!

TJ

I appreciate your situation. And whatever works for you. However, why should someone who has IBS or Colitis, have to label themselves as disabled?? Or Embarrass themselves in ANY way by having to get a pass, which involes telling a CM then, telling another CM at every attraction.

I agree with the best use of the FP system, but it doesn't ALWAYS work out as planned.

Why should anyone have to struggle or be humiliated for simply leaving line and or meeting a member of the party in line..I think it's been made clear here that it doesn't effect the que. If it does at all, it is insignificant.

Please read the post immediately below yours. that person makes an excellent point.

 

[eblack0409]

I can't stand line cutters......it doesnt bother me if one person joins someone else, but when 10 people cut to the front of the line to join their friend/family member standing in line....that burns me up!!!!!!

 

[english rose 47]

I, too had read the Hail Mary pass in UG and it sounds great to me. If I stand in line and choose to give my turn to Dgs how is that cutting or affecting anyone behind me. Now if I am a teen who holds a place for 10 or so buddies that,s a different story. If I go to get a fp or a drink or a potty break and join my family in linecan I expect to bestoned , cursed or worse.I Should I or my inline family tell the people behind that someone else in our group is on the way? Should we let the person know we have to pee? I'm serious would this make you line cuter haters happier or would I incense you?

 

[tjmw2727]

I appreciate your situation. And whatever works for you. However, why should someone who has IBS or Colitis, have to label themselves as disabled?? Or Embarrass themselves in ANY way by having to get a pass, which involes telling a CM then, telling another CM at every attraction.

I agree with the best use of the FP system, but it doesn't ALWAYS work out as planned.

Why should anyone have to struggle or be humiliated for simply leaving line and or meeting a member of the party in line..I think it's been made clear here that it doesn't effect the que. If it does at all, it is insignificant.

Please read the post immediately below yours. that person makes an excellent point.

Ok - two things,

1~ I can't have read a post and respond to it if it hasn't happend yet - that's why my post is first. I didn't comment on my stance on line cutters which BTW is very similar to Robin's (now that I have read it). I wasn't "in the argument" but since you brought it up I don't care about "line cutters" unless its flagrent or arrogent then I go about my business.

2~ I was simply trying to be helpful to you and others that may otherwise be reluctant to get a GAC. Don't put words in my mouth, I said nothing about you being disabled and certainly didn't label you. I just mentioned a messgae board here that has great suggestions and information. The pass is called a "Guest Assistance Pass" and has nothing to do with being disabled. While you would have to explain your situation once to the Guest Relations CM you don't have to tell the others anything - the GAC speaks for you and dosen't give any information other than what your needs are.

If you don't want to get one then you are forced to use FP or leave the line and return to suffer the stares of those who do think you are cutting, fair or unfair. I won't be one of them but it's your choice, I am not going to argue about it.

For those who have medical issues and would like to make the visit easier on themselves and their families don't be afraid to talk with the folks at guest relations and see if they can help you out.

TJ

 

[kaytieeldr]

They are not very easy to get and it may be embarassing to ask a stranger for a pass for your IBS!!!

Then you go to your doctor and get a letter and go to guest relations and get a card. That is why they exist

Actually, you don't. Privacy laws and all that; the CMs can't ask to see such a letter, and probably won't look at one if you produce it, for the same reason. You can ask for a GAC, yes, but for most people it'd be awkward or embarrassing to explain what that Guest's needs are (on the bathroom thing).

Why should anyone have to struggle or be humiliated for simply leaving line and or meeting a member of the party in line..I think it's been made clear here that it doesn't effect the que. If it does at all, it is insignificant.

Okay, I don't embarrass easily (I rode an ECV sideways off a curb at Disneyland once - I didn't realize it WAS a curb, I thought it was an illusion ) Now, since I do use an ECV, I may not be able to get a GAC - the consensus is usually that the ECV/wheelchair acts as the GAC in that the CMs can see the Guest may need special access - but I will try to find a sympathetic-looking CM and explain my situation. I'll report back no matter what, but it'll be a couple of months.

 

[ilovepooh]

o.k. I think most of us are in agreement that it's ok for one person to rejoin their family, but not 3 or 4 or 10!

The other issue is the medical one. I personally have never questioned any one person passing me to join their group.

I DO think that any person passing people to join their group for ANY reason should do it courteously!! I can't stand people who rush past me, bump into me, and not even apologize or excuse themselves for it.

 

[SueM in MN]

If you want more information about Guest Assistance Cards (GACs), there is a section about GACs in the disABILITIES FAQs thread (follow the link in my signature to the disABILITIES Board).

 

[MrsHeg]

I started this in another post about the Epcot International Gateway, and didn't want to steal that thread any more than I already had. So, I'll create a new topic... putting on my asbestos suit, first...

I mentioned in that thread that a pet peeve of mine is people cutting in line to join their friends/family.

I don't have any problem with someone leaving the line and then rejoining it. After all, kids sometimes tell you at awkward times that they need the potty. Or, maybe you didn't realize how long and hot a line was going to be, and someone from your group needs to run for some beverages or ice cream. It never bothers me to see someone leave the line, and then return to their group a few minutes later.

There are also times when someone happens to step between you and the rest of your group when you're getting in line. Of course, it's no problem to excuse yourself and rejoin your family in those cases.

The situation that does bother me, though, is when part of a group gets in line while the rest of their group is off doing something else. Then, those who arrive later cut the line to get up with their friends/family. My personal feeling is that if you want to ride together, join the line together. (Exceptions, of course, to those using a Disney Guest Accessibility Pass that allows a member of a party with special needs to join them without waiting in the line.)

Ducking behind my chair now...

No need to duck, I agree with you.

 

[KimberlyC]

Until I started reading the DISboards I never would have guessed that line cutting was such at big issue at WDW. Maybe (like a few pp's) its because I've spent so much time at other parks (especially Cedar Point) and the policy is clearly stated for all to see...Line Jumping is cause for removal from the park...or something to that effect. I've never seen anyone ejected but nobody pushes it so the rule must be enforced.

So I was wondering why its (seemingly) a big issue at WDW. This is my theory (colored by the fact that I now have a family of my own) FWIW: Disney is unlike other parks because more of the attractions are family friendly. Lets face it, at many of the other parks you are either tall enough to ride the ride or you aren't. I don't know of too many 48" kids younger than 5 and by that time they should be potty trained well enough. The kids rides tend to be just that, kids rides, so adults can't ride or only one can ride if accompanied by a child that is short enough. That rule is strictly enforced at Cedar Point. A few years ago a mom with 2 kids was in front of my niece and me at the Junior Gemini (kiddie coaster). The boy was a little too tall (maybe 7) and the girl (age 3 or 4) was too afraid to ride without mom. Sorry, said the employee, the boy can't ride unless the little girl rides with him which means mom can't ride at all. But the little girl wouldn't ride without her mom. My niece didn't care who she rode with so I paired her with the boy and I got out of line.

My point is rules are rules at other parks. While rules can be good things, part of what makes WDW special is that Disney trys to accommodate all kinds of people. There is no need to discuss "medical issues" with regard to other parks because frankly they simply aren't widely accomodated. I can't think of any thrill ride queues at Cedar Point (and the majority of rides are thrill rides) that would accommodate a wheel chair or ECV.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like the idea of "cutting" and if I see 3+ people who didn't get out of line try to rejoin their group way up ahead, I'm certain that I'll speak up. But I think some of the cases mentioned on this thread deserve some level of understanding. I will admit that my opinion may be biased by the fact that I have a child of potty training age who I considered trying to potty train but decided against it because we leave for WDW in 8 days. I wouldn't expect a newly trained child to "hold it" and I don't want to be snarled at if I have to take him to the potty and try to rejoin my family that is still waiting. I tried to potty train him after his first WDW trip in June but he wasn't ready then. We are going to WDW again INSTEAD of the Great Wolf Lodge/Cedar Point because it is family friendly and my toddler can ride many things WITH us as a family rather than having to split up the whole time which is not a very fun family trip. Despite being family friendly, I was/am still concerned that we would encounter people who wouldn't understand if he had to "go" at an inconvenient time.

I guess it would just be nice if people would understand that part of what makes WDW special is the pixie dust in place and the fact that WDW trys to be a place for all people. Sometimes that will mean a little kid will have to get out of line to go to the bathroom or sometimes an adult with medical issues will have to do the same. I realize that many of the responses on this thread have no problem with these circumstances but I've read all the responses and some people tend to take the strict approach that its not right. I'm just saying that IMHO sometimes its kind to be a bit accommodating (not to rude people who push and scam) but to the one adult who had to get out of line, the parent with a small child that had to get out of line, or the parent with a special needs child who couldn't wait in a long line. I guess these circumstances may still be considered cutting but can't it be overlooked for the sake of spreading a little pixie dust that can't be found anywhere else???