Line Cutting...is this rude???

[mudhen]

This is line jumping (cutting) and it is rude. Bathroom break,
snack break, whatever........the whole party should wait
to get in line together.

Cedar Point has had a no tolerance policy ever since I can
remember, there are no exceptions and the policy is clearly
stated. This is done so that employees are not put on
the spot to make decisions or conclusions.

An idea from a previous poster can also work the other way,
if having to wait an extra 2-3 minutes for your family to
use the restroom or get a drink before you get in line
is the worst part of your vacation, then you've had
a pretty good vacation.

 

[beattyfamily]

Sorry, but I don't think that if a ride can fit 4 people and 2 of those 4 people that can fit on that ride together come a bit later affects the line...so it's not exactly the same as waiting in a line at the grocery store unless I'm misunderstanding the comparision somehow.

For example, Pooh fits 4 people. If I ran to the bathroom with my DD while my DH and other DD were in line, our returning would not affect the length of the line or the wait time.

And I still don't think there's anything wrong with that "Chuck Bubba Relay" thing (I didn't know it had a name and was mentioned in a book!) if it's for example, 2 parents waiting in the Dumbo line separately and they hand off their child. It doesn't affect the time or length of the line. Both parents are waiting separately in the line which is fair, so what if a little toddler is getting to ride it twice in a row with this method. Why should it bother me so much if both parents waited their turn fairly? Maybe if they were somehow taking up 2 Dumbo's in one turn it might bother me, but they usually aren't. If his parents are willing to wait separately and not go toegther just so their son can ride that ride twice, more power to them. I just can't see how this is hurting anyone. (I've never done this but have seen it in action at Dumbo!)

 

[diskids2]

Ok I just had to call WDW. The CM I spoke with (and I read the OP scenario word for word) said that this was line cutting and the party would be asked to leave the line.

Now the debate can continue if this is rude or not, but the official line is that it is line cutting.

 

[f-LORI-da]

A more gracious solution would be for you to join the rest of your family at the end of the line.

 

[Disnsyncey]

Yeah, so cutting line isn't cool to me......

but here's what I wanna know........you know how the CMs are always like "move all the way forward, filling in all available space, do NOT form a line...."

In lines like the carousel, I do this all the time......but do people have a right to get mad at you for doing that?

Shows like Lion King, Beauty and the Beast, and Tarzan Rocks have lines like that......they're not meant to be single file, but I get dirty looks when I "widen" the line. I did this at Tarzan the other day, tried not to be too pushy, just walked up to an open space, and I had a lady get mad and start a fight with her husband over what I did (2 seconds later, the rest of the line filled out and was a BUNCH of people not a single family line)......I didn't steal her spot in the show seating, so why would she get THAT mad? I only do it because I percieve that its in the best interest of crowd control and they TELL us to do so.....

what do ya'll think?

 

[Bojo]

Originally posted by peachgirl
"Kids get impatient and can't stay in line a lone time."

If you have a child who "can't" stay in line a long time, don't put them in long lines or teach them to be more patient.

"Son is also not very good at waiting"

Funny, neither am I, but it doesn't justify breaking into lines. Sometimes I wish it did, but it doesn't. Again, either avoid rides with long lines, or teach your child the art of patience.

Well put, PG.

 

[disneyjunkie]

Originally posted by Disnsyncey
Yeah, so cutting line isn't cool to me......

but here's what I wanna know........you know how the CMs are always like "move all the way forward, filling in all available space, do NOT form a line...."

In lines like the carousel, I do this all the time......but do people have a right to get mad at you for doing that?

Shows like Lion King, Beauty and the Beast, and Tarzan Rocks have lines like that......they're not meant to be single file, but I get dirty looks when I "widen" the line. I did this at Tarzan the other day, tried not to be too pushy, just walked up to an open space, and I had a lady get mad and start a fight with her husband over what I did (2 seconds later, the rest of the line filled out and was a BUNCH of people not a single family line)......I didn't steal her spot in the show seating, so why would she get THAT mad? I only do it because I percieve that its in the best interest of crowd control and they TELL us to do so.....

what do ya'll think?

Maybe it was their first trip to WDW and she didn't understand how the lines work?

 

[antnee]

I dont think the Chuck Bubba Relay thing is cutting. Its when a group of people just rush the line to get to the front is line cutting. WDW used to have a policy that if you were caught cutting the line they would use you as a replacement in the IASW ride. Thats how they get all that international flavor in their... notice how many you see in the Brazilian part

 

[emmagata]

OK, here is the scenareo.... Mom and DD ride Dumbo, while Dad and DS wait in line for Pooh. Dumbo is over, so Mom and DD join Dad and DS in the Pooh line. Is that considered "cutting". I don't have a problem with this as long as places aren't being saved for a larger number of people. But then, who is to determine what a "large" number is? What does everyone think?

Personally, I think it is line cutting. And it's rude and inconsiderate.

Why should it matter how many or few spaces the people joining the rest of the group take up?

People should learn to wait their turn. Most people do but there are some that have some warped idea of manners.


However, if someone is ALREADY in line and needs to use the potty, I don't care if they leave and come back in line.


One thing I really hate is when a family splits up and stands in two lines (like for counter service food) and then one group will jump over the to other groups line depending on which one reaches the order taker first.

I say, pick a line and take your chances that you chose wisely.

In addition to that, I really dislike it when a large group of people enter a restaurant (mostly fast food) and one of the group (or more than one) stands in line while the others go find a table.

I think it's unfair to those are already in line who have to try and find a table after they get their food and they can't because someone else took it out of turn.

However, I do think it's ok for someone that's older that can't get around too well or a handicapped perons to find a table beforehand.

 

[Mike]

Originally posted by emmagata
In addition to that, I really dislike it when a large group of people enter a restaurant (mostly fast food) and one of the group (or more than one) stands in line while the others go find a table.

I think it's unfair to those are already in line who have to try and find a table after they get their food and they can't because someone else took it out of turn.

Could you please explain to me what you mean by somebody taking a table out of turn? I don't get this. There is no orderly procedure for dispersing tables. The seating areas are large and spread out. If you see an empty table you grab it. There are no "turns".

There is a similar discussion going on in the "pet peeve" thread. I'll make the same point here that I made there. Where do you propose all of these people who are waiting for the person in their party who is purchasing the food stand? If every person in line has three people waiting for them, where do they stand and wait since they are not supposed to go get a table yet? You would have a crowd three times the size of the que standing around waiting.

Doesn't make much sense ......In fact it's kind of silly.

People are constantly leaving tables - your wait won't be long

Sorry for the tangent - now back to the regularly scheduled topic

 

[beattyfamily]

Originally posted by Mike
Could you please explain to me what you mean by somebody taking a table out of turn? I don't get this. There is no orderly procedure for dispersing tables. The seating areas are large and spread out. If you see an empty table you grab it. There are no "turns".

There is a similar discussion going on in the "pet peeve" thread. I'll make the same point here that I made there. Where do you propose all of these people who are waiting for the person in their party who is purchasing the food stand? If every person in line has three people waiting for them, where do they stand and wait since they are not supposed to go get a table yet? You would have a crowd three times the size of the que standing around waiting.

Doesn't make much sense ......In fact it's kind of silly.

People are constantly leaving tables - your wait won't be long

Sorry for the tangent - now back to the regularly scheduled topic

I agree completely with this one!!!!!

I'm a family of 4 with 2 little ones. I always go buy everyone's food while they go sit at a table. How could there be something wrong with this?? My whole family is supposed to stand with me until I order and get the food before we're 'allowed' to find a table....silly!

 

[CarnotaurDad]

To the posters that have discussed Cedar Point, they definitely are much stricter (not in a negative sense) with line jumpers than any park I have ever seen.

They also have, by far, the most organized and polite queues for rides that I have ever seen......don't know if this is because of the "no line jumping" or what.....

 

[mog]

I am glad to know what Disney's "official" policy is on the original posters question - that was a good idea to call and get the official word. I wonder what the official word is on the situation when everyone in the family is in line, but one parent leaves to take a child to the potty?? We would never do the "joining people already in line" thing, because I feel like it is unfair and especially now that I know Disney says it's wrong, but with long wait lines and young children, I could see needing to take one of them to the potty - even if we all went right before we got in line (which is what we usually make them do if we're getting in a long line!) I'd be curious to know if Disney sees this as line cutting since we were all already in line to begin with!

 

[jjarman]

I have read the posts on another thread about this and didn't reply but want to now. We always have one person stand in line and the others go get a table. We don't do this so we can grab a table before someone else does but simply because we are all tired and see no sense in 3 of us standing in line and taking up room. We not only did this last year at WDW but at Six Flags and even at our local McDonalds.

 

[Geoff_M]

I have read the posts on another thread about this and didn't reply but want to now. We always have one person stand in line and the others go get a table.

At our local Fazoli's there's a sign specifically asking that customers not do that as a courtesy to those at the front of the food line. It's very frustrating to be walking around with your tray in the hands with your famliy in tow and not be able to find an open table... but at the same time see several "claimed" tables with a sole person sitting at them.

 

[peachgirl]

I'd be curious to know if Disney sees this as line cutting since we were all already in line to begin with!

The CM we spoke with at DQ said it was. The standard was, if you're in line and you leave the line for any reason, it's line cutting. Whether I understand or think it's ok doesn't matter. It's still line cutting.

Honestly, I think the potty excuse is way overused as a reason to line cut. I haven't seen too many lines I'd be willing to stand in that a child past the potty training stage shouldn't be able to go through without a bathroom break. I'll give you that now and then it happens, but there just can't be that many kids out there that can't get enough bathroom breaks in between rides.


It certainly shouldn't be a problem on the rides that require you meet the height minimums. I figure if you're old enough to ride TOT, you're old enough to live with scheduled potty breaks.

[QUOTE If every person in line has three people waiting for them, where do they stand and wait since they are not supposed to go get a table yet? You would have a crowd three times the size of the que standing around waiting.[/QUOTE]

I agree. I don't see anything rude or inconsiderate about this at all. There's no rule at WDW regarding this and as you said, it makes a lot more sense than having huge crowds standing around.

 

[peg2001]

It's really very simple, if you are not in line and join the line anywhere but the end, it is cutting. I don't care who else is in line and what reason you have for not being in the line earlier.

For people who can not stand in line, there are special passes to allow them to wait in a place where they can sit down, so even this is not an excuse. They still have to "wait" just like everyone else.

As for potty breaks, drink breaks, etc., is mine the only family that does these things BETWEEN rides?

I was at Dollywood this weekend with my sisters and my children. By the time I parked the stroller and took my DD3 and DD6 by the hand and joined the line, my sisters would be 3 to 5 people ahead of me. They kept trying to get me to join them. I refused and said that we were fine where we were and that they could come back and join us if they wanted. I finally had to practically shout "I am NOT going to cut in line" to get them to cease. Now, if the 3 to 5 people between us had insisted that it was ok with them, I would have skipped ahead. By their silence, I knew that it was NOT ok.

On the other hand, it fails me how it hurts anyone for 2 people to wait in different lines at the food counter, to see which one can get service faster. Can anyone elaborate?

Peggy

 

[Golter]

Its the same concept, one is waiting in line and holding the spot for someone that is not waiting in line.

 

[manchurianbrownbear]

I'm going to side with the "it IS cutting line" camp.

What if everybody did this? It would create an ugly situation!

I wouldn't mind if someone was in line in front of me, had to leave for an unexpected reason (kid has to go potty RIGHT NOW!) and then gets back in line. If someone jumps in line in front of me just because it's more convenient for them, I'm very opposed.

 

[Geoff_M]

I agree. I don't see anything rude or inconsiderate about this at all. There's no rule at WDW regarding this and as you said, it makes a lot more sense than having huge crowds standing around.

Here's the problem with "table claiming"... Take our last trip to the McD's at DTD this January. The place was very busy. We stood in line for 10 minutes before we placed our order. We went to look for a table, and they were all taken. We had to snake our way around the dinning room tables to look for a place to sit down. There were no tables to be had... but there were several tables with one family member parked at it. After one circuit around the place we finally decided to just stand there and wait. After a couple of minutes, a family departed after their meal and we sat down.

Let's look at the numbers for "claiming" tables when a restaurant is busy. Assume a line wait of 10 minutes and an eating time of 20 minutes. If you don't stake out a table, you tie up a table for approximately 20 minutes. But, if you stake a table out upon entering, you tie up a table for approximately 30 minutes (or 50% longer than not staking one out). It only adds to the congestion of the restaurant and at busy times would reduce the number of "sitdown" meals a place could serve, if everyone jumped on a table upon entering, by around a third.