Line Cutting...is this rude???

[safetymom]

Geoff M, I have posted another poll with your wording.

 

[peachgirl]

Originally posted by peg2001
So, no, my kids aren't perfect, we just plan ahead.

Peggy

What a brilliant idea! I don't have young children, I just deal with 30 or so of them on a daily basis so I think I have a pretty good understanding of their bathroom "needs". Sometimes their "needs" get in the way of their "wants". You just have to be able to know when that's happening.

To me it's not holding my place if I was in line and left for a valid reason

Maybe, but it is to WDW. In line, not in line doesn't matter. When you leave a line, then return and don't get in the back of the line, it's line cutting. The reason you left doesn't matter. When you leave a line, you leave the place you were in. You're not entitled to get it back when you return. If the situation you describe isn't "holding your place", then what is it?

"But I'll keep in mind that next time it's considered cutting so I'll just make everyone around me endure a child begging to go to the bathroom and a smelly poopy diaper.... or how about I get us all out of line and make everyone else endure my children when we get back in line because after waiting awhile, then having to start all over- they are sure to be a JOY for everyone while waiting even longer in line"

Better yet, since they are your children and whatever joy or inconvenience they bring is yours and yours alone, why not bite the bullet and leave the line and do what needs to be done as far as taking care of your children. When that's accomplished, go to whatever ride or attraction you care to see and get in line...the end of the line. I'm not sure why I should have to endure anything from your children.


Also, now I'm the one who doesn't understand. If, according to you...

"everyone in line got in anyway for that show"

Then why would there have been a problem returning to the end of the line? If everyone that was in line got in the show, you would have gotten in the show even had you gotten in the back of the line when you returned.

"In fact we didn't even get to see most of the show because of the RUDE people that allowed their children to walk through everyone sitting and stand right in front of us"

Ah yes, this is what happens when people don't follow rules and guidelines and WDW doesn't enforce them. Maybe those folks who let their kids stand in front of you didn't like all the times you left the line and cut back in.

 

[jjarman]

Originally posted by emmagata

How about off to the side until the food comes and then go searching for a table.

Off to the side where? The fast food places we ate were pretty crowded and unless you waited in line to order there was no where to stand except where the tables were or in the walkway to the tables or the fixins bar. I would rather people be sitting at a table waiting for their food than standing in my way as I try to fix my hamburger or walk to a table.

 

[emmagata]

Originally posted by jjarman
Off to the side where? The fast food places we ate were pretty crowded and unless you waited in line to order there was no where to stand except where the tables were or in the walkway to the tables or the fixins bar. I would rather people be sitting at a table waiting for their food than standing in my way as I try to fix my hamburger or walk to a table.

So the alternative is to have some of your "squatters" sit at a table for the time it takes for you to stand in line and get your food while somene who just picked up their food doesn't have a place to eat because your "squatters" are sitting their twiddling their thumbs?

Is fairness even an issue or is it "every man for himself"?

It certainly can't be "first come, first severed" unless you think of the food ordering and table getting as two separate things. It's obvious that's what the mindset is of those that grab tables using "squatters".

 

[bobspidge]

For the life of me I cannot understand why some parents view their childrens behavior as an excuse for rude behavior (but the children are impatient, cranky, thirsty, etc so I HAVE to)...yes, you are on vacation, however, since when does being on vacation mean that consideration for others is suspended? If one child does not like Dumbo, it might be wonderful for the child on the ride to see her father and brother waving as she rides with her mom...then as a FAMILY, together you can enjoy Pooh...its a win win....you do not teach or condone inconsiderate behavior to those in line and you experience another opportunity to connect as a family....to those stating that its a vacation lighten up, well, you're absolutely correct! its a vacation, lighten up and stop taking the rides 'commando style' slow down and enjoy....and let those that are politely waiting their turn to enjoy as well! Its cutting.

 

[BibbidyBobbidyBoo]

Originally posted by peachgirl
What a brilliant idea! I don't have young children, I just deal with 30 or so of them on a daily basis so I think I have a pretty good understanding of their bathroom "needs". Sometimes their "needs" get in the way of their "wants". You just have to be able to know when that's happening.






Maybe, but it is to WDW. In line, not in line doesn't matter. When you leave a line, then return and don't get in the back of the line, it's line cutting. The reason you left doesn't matter. When you leave a line, you leave the place you were in. You're not entitled to get it back when you return. If the situation you describe isn't "holding your place", then what is it?

"But I'll keep in mind that next time it's considered cutting so I'll just make everyone around me endure a child begging to go to the bathroom and a smelly poopy diaper.... or how about I get us all out of line and make everyone else endure my children when we get back in line because after waiting awhile, then having to start all over- they are sure to be a JOY for everyone while waiting even longer in line"

Better yet, since they are your children and whatever joy or inconvenience they bring is yours and yours alone, why not bite the bullet and leave the line and do what needs to be done as far as taking care of your children. When that's accomplished, go to whatever ride or attraction you care to see and get in line...the end of the line. I'm not sure why I should have to endure anything from your children.


Also, now I'm the one who doesn't understand. If, according to you...

"everyone in line got in anyway for that show"

Then why would there have been a problem returning to the end of the line? If everyone that was in line got in the show, you would have gotten in the show even had you gotten in the back of the line when you returned.

"In fact we didn't even get to see most of the show because of the RUDE people that allowed their children to walk through everyone sitting and stand right in front of us"

Ah yes, this is what happens when people don't follow rules and guidelines and WDW doesn't enforce them. Maybe those folks who let their kids stand in front of you didn't like all the times you left the line and cut back in.

You know what- whatever. You still didn't answer my questions.

First off- I meant "cutting"- not holding place in line. And I still don't see anything wrong with it since I was in line already and not sending someone ahead to save a place for me AND I did not bother anyone when leaving/re-entering the line. You still haven't explained why this would bother you.

Maybe those folks didn't like me leaving and coming back- even though I didn't even have to pass by them as I explained above- but they wouldn't have a REASON to. I did, the kids in front interferred with the other children's enjoyment of the show. Do you not see a difference there? What I did -did NOT make them miss part of the show and have it interrupted/etc. There is a big difference. Sorry you can't see that.

Then why would there have been a problem returning to the end of the line? If everyone that was in line got in the show, you would have gotten in the show even had you gotten in the back of the line when you returned.

I still don't see your point there. WHY would I have HAD to??? Why is it NECESSARY when it didn't bother anyone with me leaving nor re-entering the line and didn't CHANGE anything for them since I was there in the first place! It didn't change a thing for them and didn't put them out in any way for me to leave that particular line. There was no shoving past them or asking them to move over for me to leave or re-enter. I was already there and left for a minute - what's it to them? WHAT'S IT TO YOU?

I think you should have better things to worry about. Like people really cutting sending others ahead so they can ride other rides or having huge groups cut in front of you where it DOES change your situation in line. The fact that this bothers you when no one was put out in ANY WAY really doesn't make much sense. But go ahead and get upset about little things that don't concern you at all while you are in line at Disney, if that makes you happy.

And no, btw..... just dealing with 30 or so young children on a daily basis is not the same as having your own young children 24/7. Sorry. I AM a mother of young children and don't you dare imply that I don't know when my child needs something vs. wants.

 

[BibbidyBobbidyBoo]

I'm not sure why I should have to endure anything from your children.

That was a reply in reference to what I said back to you. Those people did NOT, not not not, endure anything with my children the way I left that line to take him to the bathroom and came BACK to where I was in line. They didn't endure anything the way I did it and quite frankly I think it's LAUGHABLE that this would bother you. Find something else that really pertains to bothering others in line, changing the situation for them in line, etc to get upset about. I mean really.
As IF that's the same as one person holding the line -from the beginning without that group ever being with them- for a huge group that then gets in front of you and changes your line situation? And other "situations" described on this thread?

You can think what you want and get upset about whatever you want- but the fact of the matter is that me being in line and leaving without having to bother anyone else in line nor change their line situation is NOT a big deal- unless you make it one for whatever your reasons are.

 

[BibbidyBobbidyBoo]

No Peg, I don't believe I was talking about you when I made that comment. I was talking to peachgirl (I think?) who has stated that no, they don't have children of their own. So I was right.

And no, I'm not making a trip to the bathroom in between every ride to try to make them go to the bathroom. LOL As I stated, we left lines before if this happened- but in the Playhouse Disney (Bear in the Big Blue House- I think that was Playhouse Disney?) situation there was a way for me to leave without bothering others and a bathroom nearby. Didn't think it would bother anyone but I guess I wasn't thinking about those that LOOK for something to be upset about even when it doesn't change their line situation and I'm not having to smoosh by them. All I thought was hey- I can get out of here without bothering anyone, the bathroom is nearby, and this way we don't have to get ALL of us back to the end of the line just to have others be bothered by my children who are by that time tired of waiting in line even longer by doing that. I also knew it wasn't changing their situation at all and not bothering them in the least since I could go across where people weren't at in line... just never dawned on me that people would allow that to upset them SOLELY for the "principle" of the thing or because they are trying to find things to annoy them while at Disney.
What was I thinking...

I tell you what- on both trips I've taken people have gotten "back" with their family many many many times. It never dawned on me for this to concern me or get me upset/etc. especially when it was one or two people and usually one parent with young child or elderly person/etc. The ONLY time it would bother me would be if it was a huge group going past to meet up with someone that held their place in line and they'd never passed me on the way out either- meaning they'd never been in that line in the first place. But I guess I just don't let things bother me as much as others while there? I'm there to have a good time- not constantly watch others and see the little things they do that could possibly be something to be upset about/etc.

 

[BibbidyBobbidyBoo]

One last thing.
Strollers were directly there after I went across the ropes where people weren't in line.
Do you people ALSO think that if something is needed out of the stroller that the person shouldn't be able to go across where people are not at, not bothering anyone, get what is needed (bottle? wipes? etc?) and get back in line with their family? I suppose they should also get back at the end of the line in that situation too? I think that's ridiculous. As long as you aren't bothered by them leaving/re-entering and your line situation didn't change at all, it really shouldn't concern you or get you upset.

 

[bobspidge]

Excuse me bibbidybobbidyboo but you are having a temper tantrum and really need to chill!!! If you are so sure your behavior was correct, why do you feel the need to defend yourself in post after post? You've stated your opinion many times and with a great deal of 'fervor' so move on....I happen to agree with you regarding your particular situation but geez get over your strident 'would you rather smell a dirty diaper, don't DARE tell me I don't know the difference between what my child needs/wants, etc' tirade....you have children, you did not act rudely (however from your responses, I'm beginning to wonder) so get past it....go give your precious children a hug and have a happy day!

 

[Whitegloves]

Originally posted by bobspidge
For the life of me I cannot understand why some parents view their childrens behavior as an excuse for rude behavior (but the children are impatient, cranky, thirsty, etc so I HAVE to)...yes, you are on vacation, however, since when does being on vacation mean that consideration for others is suspended? If one child does not like Dumbo, it might be wonderful for the child on the ride to see her father and brother waving as she rides with her mom...then as a FAMILY, together you can enjoy Pooh...its a win win....you do not teach or condone inconsiderate behavior to those in line and you experience another opportunity to connect as a family....to those stating that its a vacation lighten up, well, you're absolutely correct! its a vacation, lighten up and stop taking the rides 'commando style' slow down and enjoy....and let those that are politely waiting their turn to enjoy as well! Its cutting.

Excellent reply to the OP.

 

[BibbidyBobbidyBoo]

Wonder all you want.
Perhaps the reason I'm REPLYING to others (hey, I didn't just post it and keep talking about it all on my own you know) is because I do strive to be a courteous person and teach my children the same so it annoys me to be told I'm being rude and inconsiderate when it didn't bother anyone else at all and shouldn't have- except ofcourse those on a board somewhere that are looking for things to get upset about. LOL

I think this thread should be in the debate forum. It really doesn't belong here and I wouldn't have seen it nor replied had it been where it belongs. LOL

(ps. mister 2 post person.... or are you someone else using another name? Hmmm, either way... I'm not having a temper tantrum. Please state your opinions, don't state them as fact when it concerns something about myself. Thanks)

 

[Eeyore2U]

Originally posted by BibbidyBobbidyBoo
I do strive to be a courteous person and teach my children the same so it annoys me to be told I'm being rude and inconsiderate when it didn't bother anyone else at all

How do you know it didn't bother anyone else? Just because someone didn't say something doesn't mean they approved. Are you clairvoyant?

 

[BibbidyBobbidyBoo]

Hello? Because why would it? Did you read my threads? I was already there- therefore me getting back in line didn't CHANGE anything for them. I left in a manner that did not require them to move, feel me moving by them, talk to me or me talk to them, etc. So why on EARTH would it bother them in ANY way? Please do tell me how that could bother them ...... Except ofcourse if they have the mindset that while in line they will look for anything in the world that could possibly be something they could get upset about even when it isn't bothering them, doesn't change their line situation, don't like kids, WHATEVER.

In which case, in those situations, nothing anyone does is going to make them happy... everything is going to bother them. So I am sure to those people I was just a drop in the bucket of the countless things that they let concern them during their stay that they shouldn't have.

In my opinion, in this situation, it's petty. It doesn't concern them at all. They aren't bothered in any way and nothing has changed for them- so perhaps they should concentrate on spending time with whoever they are there with (or alone as I have done before) and stop worrying about everyone else when it does not concern them in the least. Extremely petty to be concerned or upset in a situation as *I* described. Although I can see in some of the other situations mentioned on this thread WHY it would concern them and understand why they would be upset.

I think I've explained it enough. And now I'm getting snarky comments like relating to my parenting and clairvoyant/etc. So I'll leave you guys/gals to argue this point/these points with someone else.

 

[bobspidge]

(ps. mister 2 post person.... or are you someone else using another name? Hmmm, either way... I'm not having a temper tantrum. Please state your opinions, don't state them as fact when it concerns something about myself. Thanks)

My goodness, let me state my opinion then since you asked...in my opinion you are being rude and disrespectful in a vain attempt to condone your behavior...in my opinion you use your childrens needs as a way to do as you please and then consider it terribly wrong for anyone to dare express distaste at your actions...in my opinion you react to 'opinions' that don't match your own with a defensive zeal that borders on hysteria...in my opinion, I'm tired of reading posts by you, about you...and is there a number of posts that one must make in order to have something you deem worthy to share? And is your paranoia at such a high degree that you feel comfortable asking a new poster if they are 'someone else using another name? Hmmm...'? What is that? I've enjoyed these boards for years and recently decided to join in the discussions...I'm so surprised a DIS veteran would welcome me in such a manner! But I wish you peace!

 

[manchurianbrownbear]

WOW! This is pretty intense!

I'm going to try to stay neutral and make a couple comments.

* I know there are many times that I have been put off by someone's behavior in a public place, but didn't say anything about it. I don't believe that just because someone doesn't confront you, you can assume that you haven't offended anyone.

* At home, I can do whatever I want, but in public, I try to be careful to respect the opinions, preferences of others. Even if I think that their preference is ridiculous or they are being overly sensitive. To make sure everybody's happy I'll usually inconvenience myself in order to cater to "the lowest common denominator".

PS mister 2 post person; welcome to the DIS!

 

[beattyfamily]

Wow, this thread is getting nasty! I think it should have been posted in the debate board! I wouldn't be surprised if it gets locked soon since it's getting personal.

I think if someone keeps getting their opinion attacked (like BibbidyBobbidyBoo's for example) and told how inconsiderate and rude they are, then they have every right to reply to those particular posts without being told they are having a temper tantrum or whatever. It's human nature to defend your stand on something, isn't it?

Why does this have to turn in to a cat fight?

I think EVERYONE here needs to take a deep breath on both sides of the issue before they post more insults and get this thread locked. At the very least it should be moved to the debate board.

 

[safetymom]

There is a poll on this in the debate board. Feel free to post your opinions there.

 

[PrincessAurora]

Here Here beattyfamily!! This was such a good thread. Let's not let it degrade into a snark fest over calling people names and making personal comments. Its really uncalled for.

 

[PrincessAurora]

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