line cheaters at Princess Fairytale hall

[OZMom]

No need to be sad for them. They were thrilled to meet just about every other character in the park and ride every ride they could and end the day at the pool. They had no expectations of meeting them, so they weren't sad in the least. They have since met them twice thanks to fp+.

I'm glad they got to eventually meet them. Not everyone has the luxury of going back to Disney and getting a second chance at meeting their favorite characters.

 

[Gracie09]

I'm glad they got to eventually meet them. Not everyone has the luxury of going back to Disney and getting a second chance at meeting their favorite characters.

Since one of them was my foster daughter at the time and the plan was reunification, it was in all likelihood her only trip to disney world. But we still wouldn't subject them to that long of a wait for a character, especially when they would have no clue that they were there.

 

[cakebaker]

Third, there is medical evidence that it is very unhealthy for young children to "hold it" while their bladders are still developing. It can lead to many complications down the road. Obviously holding it one time while in line at WDW isn't going to be the tipping point. But for preschoolers who are in the process of or are newly potty trained - we teach them not to hold it. To "stop and go right away" (in the words of the infamous Daniel Tiger - you parents of preschoolers know what I'm talking about!!). This is not just to prevent "accidents" - it's to protect their bodies and their still-developing systems. To suddenly change that message because we are in line at WDW is inconsistent, confusing, and destructive.

And don't tell me that I should just wait to bring my toddler to WDW when he's older. That goes against the ENTIRE PURPOSE of WDW - it's a place that families OF ALL AGES can enjoy together.


Sorry for rant. I may be a little sensitive to this topic because I am planning a mommy / son trip with my 3 yo next month and am feeling a little anxious about it. The idea that other people are going to be judging or angry at me if my little one has to go potty is making me feel a little defensive.

Exactly right- forget that it's just plain mean to tell a toddler he or she has to hold it because they didn't go on cue, it's not healthy for them. We have to tell my grandson all the time to stop trying so hard- sometimes I think he's going to rupture something! lol

He's completely trained at this point, but just 3. We'll be taking potty breaks whenever he says he needs them. We may control him a lot, but we don't control his bodily functions.

Don't sweat it- it's a lot easier to be tough on these boards than it is in person. As I said, I've never ran into anyone who had the slightest problem with one of us taking him to the bathroom while in line.

 

[minniemous]

Exactly right- forget that it's just plain mean to tell a toddler he or she has to hold it because they didn't go on cue, it's not healthy for them. We have to tell my grandson all the time to stop trying so hard- sometimes I think he's going to rupture something! lol

He's completely trained at this point, but just 3. We'll be taking potty breaks whenever he says he needs them. We may control him a lot, but we don't control his bodily functions.

Don't sweat it- it's a lot easier to be tough on these boards than it is in person. As I said, I've never ran into anyone who had the slightest problem with one of us taking him to the bathroom while in line.

So whole heatedly agree. Where on earth is the harm with allowing a child to use the bathroom????? I am sorry but the people arguing the point of teaching their kids that if they get on a line and if they have to go to the bathroom then they lost the ability to go on the ride/meet the character? Hey, your kids you make that all important parenting decision of when your child is allowed to have a bathroom need. Would someone really feel good about calling a parent of a child out when they need to use the bathroom and embarrass the child....YIKES!

 

[WillAustin]

But I think this position that you would make your decision and your choice is a bit highhanded. Really it would be up to a CM.

It's my choice to to make whether the situation warrants either me calling a CM over or forcing a line cutter to call them. As I said, my reaction depends on each situation. I've let people pass me before, and I've also stopped others and called a CM over to get them sent to the back of the line. There is no absolute either way.

 

[JennaDeeDooDah]

Lots of opinions on what is and isn't cutting from those who were never in the line, had to leave the line, and have had people pass them in line. Personally, I can see all sides of the argument so I thought I would pass on a little trick - a piece of wisdom, if you will - for having success getting in front of people without anyone objecting. I get one of those big drink carries like the workers carry around at ballgames while walking the aisles selling drinks. I purchase a selection of Dole Whips and carry them in the drink carrier. As I pass families in line, I offer them each a delicious fruity treat. To this day, no one has objected to me getting in front of them... and I'm rarely joining anyone in line!

 

[SabbyR]

It's my choice to to make whether the situation warrants either me calling a CM over or forcing a line cutter to call them. As I said, my reaction depends on each situation. I've let people pass me before, and I've also stopped others and called a CM over to get them sent to the back of the line. There is no absolute either way.

And I can agree with this. Calling a CM over to make the ruling seems like the adult thing to do. Explaining in an assertive manner that you don't find this acceptable would be an adult thing to do. Making loud rude comments just to seem like a hero, not so adult IMO

 

[alvernon90]

I'm not bothered by it. Before I continue, I will freely confess that I did this at DLR for the 2 hour wait for A&E. I also readily confessed to all around me that while I thought A&E were swell, it was my 2 kids, not me, who would be getting the picture. And multiple folks said they were doing the same. That said, I made sure the kids were with me when we got down to about 5 groups ahead of me. So if you are saving a place in line for a couple of young kids, fine. Saving a place for someone who had to run to the restroom? Fine. For a giant tour group or your family reunion? No.

So you are not bothered by it when the group is small enough (meaning the same size as your group) but you are bothered when a larger group does it? I guess we all draw our moral lines conveniently near our own toes.

 

[Pesky]

So you are not bothered by it when the group is small enough (meaning the same size as your group) but you are bothered when a larger group does it? I guess we all draw our moral lines conveniently near our own toes.

Perhaps one could view it that way. But I think of it empirically. If I am in line for just me and myself, a person is standing in front of me and shortly before reaching the front, 2, 3, 4, 6, or whatever kids jump in with him or her, go up and take the usual pictures that a single person or family would take, it's not an imposition on me or anyone else behind me, as no extra time is really taken other than the time the one person standing in front of me would have. But when it is a large tour group of 30 or so or a large multi-family group comes in to take individual pictures, taking up vastly more time than the placeholder would have, it is an imposition to those behind them in line because those behind in line might have planned differently had they known it was not one person but 40 or 8 different families.

 

[mc-hokie]

Last April we booked reservations for Akershus for pre-RD breakfast at Epcot. I didn't eat but rather took the first spot in line to meet A&E in Norway. My DW and 2 kids enjoyed breakfast while I waited. Other families commented on my brilliant plan as they joined the line. (Note that this wasn't a throw-away reservation as my family did eat breakfast). A few minutes before 9 lots of guys were sprinting to Norway to join the line and have their families catch up. Everyone in this line was friendly, shared stories, and congratulated the "runners" as they arrived. NOT ONE PERSON was upset about me holding a spot for my family nor anyone else running to secure the spot in line for theirs.

 

[tcherjen]

I haven't read all the pages of posts. I have a little one and understand if someone has to use the potty. I see nothing wrong with holding the place in line.
Life on a day to day basis is stressful, I try to not let things bother me while on vacation. Granted like the person said, if 40 people jumped in front of me I would probably be annoyed.

 

[Yellowstonetim]

Perhaps one could view it that way. But I think of it empirically. If I am in line for just me and myself, a person is standing in front of me and shortly before reaching the front, 2, 3, 4, 6, or whatever kids jump in with him or her, go up and take the usual pictures that a single person or family would take, it's not an imposition on me or anyone else behind me, as no extra time is really taken other than the time the one person standing in front of me would have. But when it is a large tour group of 30 or so or a large multi-family group comes in to take individual pictures, taking up vastly more time than the placeholder would have, it is an imposition to those behind them in line because those behind in line might have planned differently had they known it was not one person but 40 or 8 different families.

I think this is logically accurate. If one person waits for one family unit and one round of pictures (family and a few individuals) it is fine. One person holding the line for multiple family units is not OK. If there are five families of 5 together (total 25 people) then 5 people should wait in line.

Last April we booked reservations for Akershus for pre-RD breakfast at Epcot. I didn't eat but rather took the first spot in line to meet A&E in Norway. My DW and 2 kids enjoyed breakfast while I waited. Other families commented on my brilliant plan as they joined the line. (Note that this wasn't a throw-away reservation as my family did eat breakfast). A few minutes before 9 lots of guys were sprinting to Norway to join the line and have their families catch up. Everyone in this line was friendly, shared stories, and congratulated the "runners" as they arrived. NOT ONE PERSON was upset about me holding a spot for my family nor anyone else running to secure the spot in line for theirs.

That is the attitude I have generally experienced, too. The ones doing this all see each other as compatriots in the same boat trying to work the same angles. It often breeds a sort of camaraderie that all will talk about.

 

[Cyrano]

I have read every post so far

I remind everyone to continue to stay respectful and not preach to anyone.

In the grand scheme of things there are other areas to be concerned about IMHO.
Don't sweat the small stuff

 

[alvernon90]

Perhaps one could view it that way. But I think of it empirically. If I am in line for just me and myself, a person is standing in front of me and shortly before reaching the front, 2, 3, 4, 6, or whatever kids jump in with him or her, go up and take the usual pictures that a single person or family would take, it's not an imposition on me or anyone else behind me, as no extra time is really taken other than the time the one person standing in front of me would have. But when it is a large tour group of 30 or so or a large multi-family group comes in to take individual pictures, taking up vastly more time than the placeholder would have, it is an imposition to those behind them in line because those behind in line might have planned differently had they known it was not one person but 40 or 8 different families.

I have a hard time believing that the characters spend as much time interacting with one adult as they do with a family featuring two adults and three children. It seems to me the latter would be longer.

But then again, I don't understand why anyone would wait more than 15 seconds to interact with some college kid in a wig who is pretending to be a cartoon. Seeing characters out and about in the parks adds to the atmosphere, but unless a character approaches me, I will not go out of my way to interact with them. I am grateful for the meet and greets because they take large parts of the crowd and tie them up in stupid-long lines all day, out of the way of the rest of us who want to get to the rides. But that breaks down when people don't bother waiting in line and just cut the line instead.

 

[TLSnell1981]

I don't think this is cutting, or at least it wouldn't bother me.

I doubt ANYONE's wait time was affected significantly, if at all. Much ado about nothing. IMO

 

[Cyrano]

But then again, I don't understand why anyone would wait more than 15 seconds to interact with some college kid in a wig who is pretending to be a cartoon. Seeing characters out and about in the parks adds to the atmosphere, but unless a character approaches me,

Don't you mean someone who is friends with a character....wash your mouth out with soap Think of the children Next you will be saying Santa is not real

 

[kittyab]

Personally, I would rather see one parent (while one holds the spot) take the child out of line for potty break or stretch their legs then listen to them whining for over an hour.

 

[kittyab]

I dont think Disney realized how popular those girls were going to be. Hence all the issues.

 

[huhwhat]

Then why can't he wait at the entrance. What if it was a family of six or ten? Extended cousins and grandparents. Where's the line when it's not ok.
We are the you use the bathroom before you get on line, get on line as a group and if you leave the line you start over or forfeit the ride (had to do that once with dd because she said she didn't have to go to the bathroom but ten minutes into waiting, she did. Left the line met up with our group after they road. She never did that again.)
I have been in lines where there are almost two line those actually waiting and those who are pushing through to get to their group. Dh has refused, politely, to yield way a few times and told the person their group can join them back here.

your DH is being mean....I would have pushed past.....what is he the WDW police?

 

[gdrj]

Getting out of line to go to the bathroom is way different than the Dad running ahead of the crowd to get a good spot in line ahead of all of the other families. Sorry, but it's not cool to do that.

I think I agree with you. If they all arrived together and Mom took the kids for a bathroom break is different. If I'm standing there for 30 minutes and a group of 5, 6, or more family members want to join a single person up front I might suggest to them it would be easier for the one person to comeback to them, especially when its not little kids that Mom was trying to keep entertained, or hydrated etc. I will see a family come through and the kids are coming from another ride, I'm sorry you can wait behind me, especially if you are rude and just bull dozing over everyone in line or if you play dumb and I don't speak or understand English.