Let's speculate about Polynesian some more!

[zavandor]

I believe Florida law prevents them from expanding at BLT because there are less than 40 years remaining. Any construction there must be a new association.

This 40 year restriction is why CCV became its own association and not part of BRV. That was before restrictions.

I don't think this is true.
A new association must have at least 40 years remaining, but I don't think there's a rule about adding new phases to existing resorts.
CCV was a new association probably because Disney thought a shorter lease would be less attractive.

 

[Sandisw]

I never thought of that. Accommodates up to 10 with 2 full bathrooms and 2 shower/sink bathrooms.

Tower 1BR will likely sleep 5 with 2 full bathrooms.
Tower 2BR will likely sleep 9 with 3 full bathrooms.
Tower GVs would be the only way to sleep more than 10.

It could be comparable for those who only care about the sleeping surfaces.

But, the benefit for us of the larger villas is the washer/dryer and the full refrigerator, plus a nice large living space and full table to hang out when in the room.

 

[Sandisw]

I don't think this is true.
A new association must have at least 40 years remaining, but I don't think there's a rule about adding new phases to existing resorts.
CCV was a new association probably because Disney thought a shorter lease would be less attractive.

You are correct. New has to be more than 40 but adding on can happen anytime.

 

[maui22]

I don't think this is true.
A new association must have at least 40 years remaining, but I don't think there's a rule about adding new phases to existing resorts.
CCV was a new association probably because Disney thought a shorter lease would be less attractive.

My mistake.
Didn't realize that only applies to new association.

It would be interesting to see Disney add-on at BLT and then try to compete with resale for the same resort despite it being around 35 years remaining when sales would start.

 

[maui22]

I don’t blame her. Not only that but the point charts are better at BLT and I couldn’t even imagine risking being in nonconnecting rooms from my kids at least while they’re young.

In this case, points are gifted so price isn’t her concern. Possibility of no connecting rooms was a concern, even though her mother will be traveling with them and would be in room with some of the children.

Irregardless, we are happy to have her decide. Vacations are about being happy and spending time where/when you want.

 

[maui22]

It could be comparable for those who only care about the sleeping surfaces.

But, the benefit for us of the larger villas is the washer/dryer and the full refrigerator, plus a nice large living space and full table to hang out when in the room.

Understand. For those who are in the parks and don’t cook or wash laundry, studios do have benefits.

Does Disney charge extra points for 1BRs knowing the kitchens hurt their restaurant/food/beverage profits?

 

[Sandisw]

Understand. For those who are in the parks and don’t cook or wash laundry, studios do have benefits.

Does Disney charge extra points for 1BRs knowing the kitchens hurt their restaurant/food/beverage profits?

The point structure is based in square footage. It has nothing to do with impact in the people’s spending.

We never eat meals in the larger units…snacks only. But we do like the full fridge and we definitely use the laundry a lot. Packing is so much easier.

 

[MyDogTink]

Agreed. As it stands if they don't apply resale restrictions to the tower only 2 resorts at WDW in 5 years (2019-2024) will have had the restrictions. If they add poly tower to that it makes it more compelling to consider direct. Disney has plenty of inventory to sell off as it is with a limited amount of real estate near their parks. If they keep flip flopping like you said it's going to take significantly longer for people to recognize the difference between resale and direct which just makes me lean further toward new association.

Which 2 WDW resorts are restricted? I know RIV but I can’t think of the other one. I feel lost.

 

[kneely58]

Which 2 WDW resorts are restricted? I know RIV but I can’t think of the other one. I feel lost.

VDH

 

[intamin]

Which 2 WDW resorts are restricted? I know RIV but I can’t think of the other one. I feel lost.

The incoming Cabins at Fort Wilderness will almost certainly be restricted but you are correct as things stand only Riviera is restricted at WDW.

 

[maui22]

The point structure is based in square footage. It has nothing to do with impact in the people’s spending.

Based on this, is there some reason 2BRs not triple the points of studio and 50% more than 1BRs?

 

[Jwaire]

The point structure is based in square footage.

Not always, cough, bungalows, cough, newer Grand Villas.

 

[zavandor]

Based on this, is there some reason 2BRs not triple the points of studio and 1.5 times the points of studios?

You mean 2.5, I think.
Anyway, the points are actually calculated for the 2BR and are the points that DVC sell. The points to book a studio and 1BR are a bit higher than the cost of the 2BR (it's known as the lock-off premium), to take into account the extra cost for check-in and handling of two reservations rather than one.
Every time someone books the studio and 1BR a few extra points are used than the points sold for that unit. This generates extra points that Disney sells as cash rooms for profit. That's the reason they've tried to increase breakage twice in the past, increasing the lock-off premium and changing the seasons across Easter. And why members pushed back against those changes.

 

[maui22]

You mean 2.5, I think.
Anyway, the points are actually calculated for the 2BR and are the points that DVC sell. The points to book a studio and 1BR are a bit higher than the cost of the 2BR (it's known as the lock-off premium), to take into account the extra cost for check-in and handling of two reservations rather than one.
Every time someone books the studio and 1BR a few extra points are used than the points sold for that unit. This generates extra points that Disney sells as cash rooms for profit. That's the reason they've tried to increase breakage twice in the past, increasing the lock-off premium and changing the seasons across Easter. And why members pushed back against those changes.

I meant to indicate to 2BR is 50% larger than 1BR so it should be 50% more points than 1BR. Not sure what I was thinking when I entered 1.5 times studio.

Isn't Disney missing out on money from the 1BR+studios being fewer points than 2BRs? (At least from DVC sales).

Might Disney ever realize this for new associations to make 2BRs = 1BR + studio points and 1BR = two studios in the point charts for all seasons? Bathrooms and kitchens typically the most expensive construction and remodel costs.
Particularly for resorts like AKV Kidani, BLT, and Poly tower where there are 3 bathrooms in 2BR units and a full kitchen it seems they missed an opportunity.

 

[zavandor]

I meant to indicate to 2BR is 50% larger than 1BR so it should be 50% more points than 1BR. Not sure what I was thinking when I entered 1.5 times studio.

Isn't Disney missing out on money from the 1BR+studios being fewer points than 2BRs? (At least from DVC sales).

Might Disney ever realize this for new associations to make 2BRs = 1BR + studio points and 1BR = two studios in the point charts for all seasons? Bathrooms and kitchens typically the most expensive construction and remodel costs.
Particularly for resorts like AKV Kidani, BLT, and Poly tower where there are 3 bathrooms in 2BR units and a full kitchen it seems they missed an opportunity.

To clarify.
BLT standard view is 13 points for a studio, 24 for a 1BR and 35 for a 2BR.
Disney sells the points for the 2BR, so they sell 35 points for that unit for one night in September.

When two members book a studio and a 1BR, they spend in total 37 points, which is 2 points more of the points that were sold.
Those points are collected and together with all the other extra points used for the lockoff premium are used to sell night to the general public through CRO.
Disney could have made the 2BR 37 points, selling 2 more, but this way they get to rent the extra 2 for the 50 years of the resort (well, less because not all 2BR are booked as a studio+1BR).

 

[Sandisw]

Based on this, is there some reason 2BRs not triple the points of studio and 50% more than 1BRs?

I am not sure that it is an equal math situation in that sense. But if you use Exhibt A in the POS it explains how things are calculated.

Remember that they use 2 bedroom totals when developing the charts as well and that a 1 bedroom and a studio have lock off premiums included in them.

 

[Cabius]

I'll out myself as a member of the minority that expects PVB2 to be in the same association, simply because of the ability to use the bungalows as a selling point. But we'll see!

 

[intamin]

I'll out myself as a member of the minority that expects PVB2 to be in the same association, simply because of the ability to use the bungalows as a selling point. But we'll see!

Everyone likes the IDEA of the bungalows but I don’t think any educated buyer wants the 11 month booking priority for the bungalows specifically. The bungalows are about as hard to book as a 1BR at Saratoga Springs.

 

[Minniemoo15]

I'll out myself as a member of the minority that expects PVB2 to be in the same association, simply because of the ability to use the bungalows as a selling point. But we'll see!

I think it will be the same association as well. Calling FW the 17th association, and all of the language around “Polynesian villas” leads me to lean same.

 

[maui22]

To clarify.
BLT standard view is 13 points for a studio, 24 for a 1BR and 35 for a 2BR.
Disney sells the points for the 2BR, so they sell 35 points for that unit for one night in September.

When two members book a studio and a 1BR, they spend in total 37 points, which is 2 points more of the points that were sold.
Those points are collected and together with all the other extra points used for the lockoff premium are used to sell night to the general public through CRO.
Disney could have made the 2BR 37 points, selling 2 more, but this way they get to rent the extra 2 for the 50 years of the resort (well, less because not all 2BR are booked as a studio+1BR).

I am not sure that it is an equal math situation in that sense. But if you use Exhibt A in the POS it explains how things are calculated.

Remember that they use 2 bedroom totals when developing the charts as well and that a 1 bedroom and a studio have lock off premiums included in them.

Based on the lockoff premium…
Couldn’t Disney decide any new resort they sell to make 2BR equal to the lockoff premium? Using zavandor’s numbers, it would allow them to sell 2 more points at the direct resort price?

At a time when Disney needs cash, it allows them to make money during the primary sales years as opposed to having some revenue delayed 50 years.

Might the premium lockoff be why tower appears to only have six 2BR dedicated?