lesbians need not apply

[wvjules]

"How can you be married and bi-sexual? Wouldn't that make you an adulterer if you followed through on your feelings?

Bi-sexuality confuses me especially when you throw a marriage into the picture."

It is possible to be married and bi. I don't follow through, I might look, but I don't touch. I love my hubby dearly and he loves me.

Anna

Thank you for your explanation. That makes sense. I love my DBF but I still look at other men occasionally. Looking is ok; acting on it is not; no matter what your sexuality. (the general "you", not you.)

 

[Goofyluver]

I've still got my WWJD bracelet.

Actually, we don't know what other behaviors that this school has chosen to ban. I know the school I taught in had a decent list of things that were grounds for expulsion, a list that was provided to parents and students before they enrolled. There was no excuse for not knowing what the rules were.

As for not loving-I don't see that encouraging someone to commit sin, or not pointing out sinful activity that someone engages in is loving them. My parents stopped me from doing a good many things that were sinful, and they loved me very much. (still do) IMHO, allowing someone to continue behaving in a way that is not pleasing to God IS loving them enough to care about their eternal salvation.

I do not understand your reference to 'God is loving' and such.

After all, there are many churches and religions that do not believe in a concept of a 'loving God'. They would argue that God did not make Hell just for the heck of it on an idle day.

I will add that I have know quite a few 'very religious' folk here in Texas and I can swear to this: they care not what 'non-believers' think of them. If you do not believe like they do, they will tell you, to your face, that you are going to Hell, handbasket or not.

However, First Amendment! They have a right to think I'm going to Hell, and to meet in a property tax-exempt building every Sunday and sing about the perils of Legalsea.

I was responding to the above post.

 

[Sorsha]

After all, there are many churches and religions that do not believe in a concept of a 'loving God'. They would argue that God did not make Hell just for the heck of it on an idle day.

I will add that I have know quite a few 'very religious' folk here in Texas and I can swear to this: they care not what 'non-believers' think of them. If you do not believe like they do, they will tell you, to your face, that you are going to Hell, handbasket or not.

Yup - Montana is the same way. in fact, some of them may very well offer to donate a handbasket to you, to speed you on your way.

However, First Amendment! They have a right to think I'm going to Hell, and to meet in a property tax-exempt building every Sunday and sing about the perils of Legalsea.

And to pray for you... mustn't forget that part.

 

[Goofyluver]

It's all about perspective, isn't it? Are you saying that the parents who choose to impart Biblical values to their children do not love them?

I've also noticed you jump directly to the assumption that the school "hated" these girls. Asking them to conform to a defined set of rules is not "hate". I find it difficult to believe that their families were unaware of the rules and regulations of the school prior to enrolling them. Unless of course, that was the whole point-to enroll their lesbian children, and then sue when they were dismissed?

The actions by this school could be construed as nothing but hateful.

As to your last statement...your accusations do not deserve a response. Gays and lesbians fight for equal rights in this country, are persecuted against, and have to navigate in a world where they are looked upon as second-class citizens by many. Unfortunately, in the world and country in which we live, people are allowed to discriminate against the LGBT community. To make an accusation like you have made above, only further reiterates this fact.

And please do me an honor of answering one question...

When will you stop conforming to your heterosexuality?

 

[xoprincessmomxo]

It's all about perspective, isn't it? Are you saying that the parents who choose to impart Biblical values to their children do not love them?

I've also noticed you jump directly to the assumption that the school "hated" these girls. Asking them to conform to a defined set of rules is not "hate". I find it difficult to believe that their families were unaware of the rules and regulations of the school prior to enrolling them. Unless of course, that was the whole point-to enroll their lesbian children, and then sue when they were dismissed?

The problem is, in regards to sexuality, they can't just conform to the rules. Asking someone to not be gay is liking asking someone to not be black. It's who they are, it's impossible to change. It's not a rule they are breaking, or some sort of rebelling.

 

[mkingdomlvr]

The actions by this school could be construed as nothing but hateful.

As to your last statement...your accusations do not deserve a response. Gays and lesbians fight for equal rights in this country, are persecuted against, and have to navigate in a world where they are looked upon as second-class citizens by many. Unfortunately, in the world and country in which we live, people are allowed to discriminate against the LGBT community. To make an accusation like you have made above, only further reiterates this fact.

but you did anyway.....

You and those who believe as you do are perfectly entitled to think it's hateful, just as they and others who believe as they do are perfectly entitled to think it's not.

You have no idea what all the rules of that school are, or what actually happened that caused the expulsion-and neither do I. It is equally possible that one of us is right. Perhaps the girls were expelled based on "alleged" homosexuality and perhaps they were acting out their homosexuality in a attempt to attract attention and create the exact result they got-negative publicity for the school and reaction from the gay community.

 

[Axel]

Well your catholic school should have tought you that jesus released everyone of his followers from the Old Laws that's all of them, although Leviticus has the most. He replaced them with 2 new laws.

So, even though it's in the Old Testament (Leviticus 20:13), we have not been released from the old law condemning the act of homosexuality? Did Jesus pick and choose? Because picking and choosing what you follow in a religion peeves me off. It's like school rules. Do you get to choose which rules you want to follow?

 

[mkingdomlvr]

The problem is, in regards to sexuality, they can't just conform to the rules. Asking someone to not be gay is liking asking someone to not be black. It's who they are, it's impossible to change. It's not a rule they are breaking, or some sort of rebelling.

As I said above, we really don't know what the precipitating factor was for the expulsion. If they were kissing in the hallway, or engaging in behavior that would have gotten heterosexuals expelled, that's an action-not something that is part of their identity.

As I've said before, I'm not in favor of expulsion for "alleged" homosexuality, because that would really be expelling based on gossip.

 

[Anewman]

The actions by this school could be construed as nothing but hateful.

Sorry but that is not accurate.

Everything does not equal hate.



If someone chooses to not associate with a someone for any reason, even if in our opinion it is an IGNORANT reason. That alone does not equal hate. It is not like the are wishing this girl death or any other kind of punishment, they simply want her to find another school.

Kids are denied entrance to private schools everyday, some for academic reasons and some for religious reasons. For some schools applicants must bring in letters of recommendation letters from their priest/pastor before they are even allowed to interview.

Bottom line, why would anyone want to be part of a religion if they dont want to follow it?

 

[Goofyluver]

but you did anyway.....

You and those who believe as you do are perfectly entitled to think it's hateful, just as they and others who believe as they do are perfectly entitled to think it's not.

You have no idea what all the rules of that school are, or what actually happened that caused the expulsion-and neither do I. It is equally possible that one of us is right. Perhaps the girls were expelled based on "alleged" homosexuality and perhaps they were acting out their homosexuality in a attempt to attract attention and create the exact result they got-negative publicity for the school and reaction from the gay community.

Do you "act out" your heterosexuality for attention?

What negative publicity would come your way if you walked down a hallway holding your boyfriend's hand? What school would expel you if you had "seemed" heterosexual?

Should "the reaction from the gay community" be different? Should we continue to accept discrimination against the LGBT community as the accepted norm? When will discrimination against gays and lesbians in this country be given the same protection under the law as other forms of discrimination?

 

[Goofyluver]

Sorry but that is not accurate.

Everything does not equal hate.



If someone chooses to not associate with a someone for any reason, even if in our opinion it is an IGNORANT reason. That alone does not equal hate. It is not like the are wishing this girl death or any other kind of punishment, they simply want her to find another school.

Kids are denied entrance to private schools everyday, some for academic reasons and some for religious reasons. For some schools applicants must bring in letters of recommendation letters from their priest/pastor before they are even allowed to interview.

Bottom line, why would anyone want to be part of a religion if they dont want to follow it?

Expelling students for "seeming" homosexual is hateful. You won't get me to see otherwise. It's no different then expelling a student for race.

 

[Sanchez]

You won't get me to see otherwise.

This is sometimes known as intolerance.

 

[Sorsha]

Sorry but that is not accurate.

Everything does not equal hate.



If someone chooses to not associate with a someone for any reason, even if in our opinion it is an IGNORANT reason. That alone does not equal hate. It is not like the are wishing this girl death or any other kind of punishment, they simply want her to find another school.

Kids are denied entrance to private schools everyday, some for academic reasons and some for religious reasons. For some schools applicants must bring in letters of recommendation letters from their priest/pastor before they are even allowed to interview.

Bottom line, why would anyone want to be part of a religion if they dont want to follow it?

I pretty much agree with you, the only thing I would take issue with is the bit I bolded.
The problem is that these are children. Teenagers, perhaps, but still bound to attend school where their parents send them, and usually bound to be part of a religion if their parents decree it.
It may be that they did not want to go to that school, did not want to be a part of that religion. It is not stated, but perhaps they were even enrolled in that school by well-meaning parents who hoped that time spent in a conservative religious environment might "fix" their "wayward" daughters. As children, they had no choice.

 

[Goofyluver]

This is sometimes known as intolerance.

I'm good with that. We must never be tolerant of intolerance.

 

[mkingdomlvr]

Do you "act out" your heterosexuality for attention?

What negative publicity would come your way if you walked down a hallway holding your boyfriend's hand? What school would expel you if you had "seemed" heterosexual?

Should "the reaction from the gay community" be different? Should we continue to accept discrimination against the LGBT community as the accepted norm? When will discrimination against gays and lesbians in this country be given the same protection under the law as other forms of discrimination?

If my BF and I had been caught kissing in the hallways or holding hands we would have been courting expulsion at our HS. The practice was a warning and a call home, then the second time you were out. No PDA's meant no PDA's-it wouldn't have mattered who was doing it. Same with the school I taught in. The student handbook said NO PDA's, it didn't say PDA's are ok for heterosexuals but not homosexuals.

I do not think it's beyond the realm of possibility that these girls may have deliberately acted out in order to get the reaction they got. If you've ever taught, you'd know that kids are not above that-especially teenagers.

As I've said multiple times-if these girls were expelled based on gossip-I DO NOT SUPPORT IT. Gossip is also a sin.

 

[Anewman]

Expelling students for "seeming" homosexual is hateful. You won't get me to see otherwise. It's no different then expelling a student for race.

If I choose to not allow someone into my home because they "seem" homosexual... Do you really think that equals hate?

And IMO it is different in many ways... A mexican boy would not be of a real concern when it comes to locker room(showers) situation. But some might be concerned, if a homosexual was taking a shower with their child.

Again, if this girl is truly homosexual, why be part of that school/religion?
Kinda like baptizing a baby if you dont believe in the original sin, there is no point.


For the record I am just playing DA hear, and the points I am trying to make are just for debating purposes and are not representative of my own personal views on homosexuality.

 

[jimmiej]

if men wrote the bible, and men interpret the bible then aren't men the ones doing the judging?

Men wrote DOWN the Bible. God is the author.

The Bible is like out Constitution. Always being interpreted and reinterpreted as what is relavant to the time. I am sure someone can quote the bible to show you how slavery is the right thing to do as well.

Would someone like to try?

I am more curious about whether you think the Jesus you worship would shun a child that they think may be a lesbian. I don't hear "what would Jesus do" much any ore. But I think it. I think alot of the way we treat fellow sinners (and we are all sinners) in the name of Jesus is against the true meaning of his word.

Why shun one sinner and not another?

Jesus doesn't shun anyone & the church shouldn't either UNLESS said person is living in sin & refuses to change.

 

[Goofyluver]

If my BF and I had been caught kissing in the hallways or holding hands we would have been courting expulsion at our HS. The practice was a warning and a call home, then the second time you were out. No PDA's meant no PDA's-it wouldn't have mattered who was doing it. Same with the school I taught in. The student handbook said NO PDA's, it didn't say PDA's are ok for heterosexuals but not homosexuals.

I do not think it's beyond the realm of possibility that these girls may have deliberately acted out in order to get the reaction they got. If you've ever taught, you'd know that kids are not above that-especially teenagers.

As I've said multiple times-if these girls were expelled based on gossip-I DO NOT SUPPORT IT. Gossip is also a sin.

I've taught.

If we were speaking of a hetero couple, your accusations would be moot. Since we are speakin' of lesbians...apparently, you find it acceptable to throw out ridiculous accusations such as the one above.

 

[mkingdomlvr]

I've taught.

If we were speaking of a hetero couple, your accusations would be moot. Since we are speakin' of lesbians...apparently, you find it acceptable to throw out ridiculous accusations such as the one above.

We had kids flaunt the rules in our HS, and they got expelled-and they weren't even gay!!!

 

[RainbowBrite]

If I choose to not allow someone into my home because they "seem" homosexual... Do you really think that equals hate?

And IMO it is different in many ways... A mexican boy would not be of a real concern when it comes to locker room(showers) situation. But some might be concerned, if a homosexual was taking a shower with their child.

Again, if this girl is truly homosexual, why be part of that school/religion?
Kinda like baptizing a baby if you dont believe in the original sin, there is no point.


For the record I am just playing DA hear, and the points I am trying to make are just for debating purposes and are not representative of my own personal views on homosexuality.

If you dont allow someone in your home because seem gay, yes that is hate.

As for the shower situation...for goodness sake, gay people have no sick interest in children! Gay does not equal pedophile.

By the way, I'm Catholic. Went to a Catholic school from 1st grade through 12th.