Le Cellier 2TS for Lunch and Dinner in 2013!

[Quin]

Let's see whether they put out a Signature lunch menu to match the Signature price - or at least make the dinner menu the "all-day" menu. After all, that's how HBD charges 2TS for lunch as well as dinner. I can't automatically say we will or will not eat there. It will totally depend on whether they give us a true Signature menu to match the Signature pricing.

 

[OKW Lover]

Sad.

Even sadder, some people will still pay it.

 

[3Minnies1Mickey]

We're trying it out for lunch in October. Glad we are as I can't see using 2 TC for lunch anywhere so this is our last chance!

The Mushroom Filet and the soup will be available at the F&W booth.

 

[DVC Jen]

They are exploiting its popularity and trying to cash in on it!

exactly. We love it - it is one of our favorites on site however.. I do not think it is signature. It is not in the same league as Artist Point and the likes.

 

[Cafeen]

Wait I was just reading this...

Per the brochure..the STANDARD Dining plan (Quick service is less - maybe that 35$ amt? not sure..)...
but for the Standard DDP not deluxe...

"As of January 1, 2012, the daily price of the Standard Disney Dining Plan is $51.54 per adult and $15.02 per child per child for most times of the year; and $53.54 per adult and $16.02 per child during peak season. Children under 3 eat free from an adult’s plate."

I yanked this from here..."DISNEY TOURIST BLOG.COM\free-dining-plan-2011-2012-cost-reviews-disney-world" WITHOUT spaces in domain

Soooo YOU get ONE TS ..one QS and one snack a day...so that 35 bucks seems about right....for the 51.54 PER DAY.
I guess... ....you have to ask yourself..when you go to LeCellier are your adults getting 35 dollars worth of food per adult PER DAY....IF you are on the standard DDP. I would imagine the deluxe plan would be more...and you would maybe get appetizers (which ..are not inculded on the Standard DDP) ..


..IDK...

We went in 2005 and it was an awesome deal. None of this nickeling and diming .. everything to death. The last time on the ddp I Kept a spreadsheet of the amount I paid versus the food I got...and when I came home in 2008 did not feel like it was such a great bargain anymore. NOW it seems even less of a bargain for a family of four - at least for my family

The $35 mark is what a single TS costs you on the plan. This is a mathematical estimate and is used for various analyses. The calculations to get there are actually a lot easier than they'd seem (and Faldred was the one who "discovered" them).

Given a $3 average snack and free mugs (they're a pain to account for on a credit by credit basis) we get the following:
QSDP: 2QS + 1S = 37.58
DDP: 1TS + 1QS + 1S = 55.59

Solving the QSDP for QS gives you:
QS = (37.58 - S) / 2 = (37.58 - 2) / 2 = 34.58 / 2 = 17.29

Inputting this into the DDP equation gives you (and substituting 3.00 for S):
1TS + 17.29 + 3.00 = 55.59
TS = 55.59 - 17.29 - 3.00 = 35.30

It's not exact, but it's a good estimate of the actual cost of a credit.

(Note the high cost of a QS credit too, that's a pretty tough number to hit!)

The 2012 numbers are a little different, but actually pretty close to those. A QS credit in 2012 costs about $16, while a TS credit is about $34. The big change between 2012 and 2013 is the Dx credits though, which jumped from ~$26 to ~$31. Of course, as you mentioned, DxDDP also offers apps, but the total cost per credit is still cheaper, thus it's easier to make work out for you. The con here is the raw amount of food, reservations (timing and planning issues), and a large increase in tips (since you're doing mostly TS).

Of course, what matters in the end is the net total above or below and not the individual restaurants in between, but it's interesting to see how they react with the totals and such.

 

[tarheelmjfan]

We're trying it out for lunch in October. Glad we are as I can't see using 2 TC for lunch anywhere so this is our last chance!

I don't blame you. We pay OOP. If we used DDP, we wouldn't use 2 TS on lunch either. It's never our biggest meal of the day. I suppose for those who choose lunch as their main mean it wouldn't be that bad. Those using DxDDP could probably justify it a little more. It does seem like too much for those using DDP though. Like others, I wonder how much this will affect ADRs.

They're taking it too far - Le Cellier simply doesn't compare to the real signatures, from a food, service, or atmosphere standpoint. At first, the new dinner menu made a slight attempt at improving (thanks to interesting menu items like duck, venison, oxtail, etc) but since then, they've gone back to the usual chicken, short ribs, and pork.

Now the real question - will Le Cellier still be one of the top 5 hardest ADR's to get (up there with 'Ohana, CRT, Chef Mickey's, etc)?

I wouldn't be surprised to see Ohana elevated to 2TS in the future based on popularity alone.

 

[DonaldDoleWhip]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Ohana elevated to 2TS in the future based on popularity alone.

Ugh - that honestly could happen (since there are plenty of upscale restaurants with a similar concept, such as Fogo de Chao). Of course, the menu wouldn't change that much and the atmosphere still wouldn't be signature in any way.

 

[BuzzLiteyear]

I'm glad we ate there last year because we won't be going now that it's 2

 

[mikkiwikki]

The $35 mark is what a single TS costs you on the plan. This is a mathematical estimate and is used for various analyses. The calculations to get there are actually a lot easier than they'd seem (and Faldred was the one who "discovered" them).

Given a $3 average snack and free mugs (they're a pain to account for on a credit by credit basis) we get the following:
QSDP: 2QS + 1S = 37.58
DDP: 1TS + 1QS + 1S = 55.59

Solving the QSDP for QS gives you:
QS = (37.58 - S) / 2 = (37.58 - 2) / 2 = 34.58 / 2 = 17.29

Inputting this into the DDP equation gives you (and substituting 3.00 for S):
1TS + 17.29 + 3.00 = 55.59
TS = 55.59 - 17.29 - 3.00 = 35.30

It's not exact, but it's a good estimate of the actual cost of a credit.

(Note the high cost of a QS credit too, that's a pretty tough number to hit!)

The 2012 numbers are a little different, but actually pretty close to those. A QS credit in 2012 costs about $16, while a TS credit is about $34. The big change between 2012 and 2013 is the Dx credits though, which jumped from ~$26 to ~$31. Of course, as you mentioned, DxDDP also offers apps, but the total cost per credit is still cheaper, thus it's easier to make work out for you. The con here is the raw amount of food, reservations (timing and planning issues), and a large increase in tips (since you're doing mostly TS).

Of course, what matters in the end is the net total above or below and not the individual restaurants in between, but it's interesting to see how they react with the totals and such.

I appreciate your thorough analysis...I was updating my post as I put the numbers together a bit..

Right! so as you said...at least for 2012 lunch at lecellier is like a 70 buck deal. per adult. Man I do like LeCellier...but 70 bucks of food worth..PER ADULT..? um ... minus tip and bevvies? I'm just not seeing that as a real value...
Thanks Cafeen ...for your feedback ...I do appreciate your thoughtful analysis.

(and we are going to LeCellier in August but..Ill pay cash thanks to this thread!!!)

 

[Cafeen]

I appreciate your thorough analysis...I was updating my post as I put the numbers together a bit..

Right! so as you said...at least for 2012 lunch at lecellier is like a 70 buck deal. per adult. Man I do like LeCellier...but 70 bucks of food worth..PER ADULT..? um ... minus tip and bevvies? I'm just not seeing that as a real value...
Thanks Cafeen ...for your feedback ...I do appreciate your thoughtful analysis.

(and we are going to LeCellier in August but..Ill pay cash thanks to this thread!!!)

No problem at all

For 2012 though, it's still only 1 credit, since it's rumored to change in Jan 2013. So if you're going this august, it may actually be a good value on the plan (with a ~$34 number to hit, which isn't that bad if you aim for the higher half of the menu, and like drinks and dessert).

 

[mikkiwikki]

No problem at all

For 2012 though, it's still only 1 credit, since it's rumored to change in Jan 2013. So if you're going this august, it may actually be a good value on the plan (with a ~$34 number to hit, which isn't that bad if you aim for the higher half of the menu, and like drinks and dessert).

Right....so 2013..bad deal...but maybe up until january...an ok deal....good point. thanks again.

 

[MagicallyDelicious]

I would never use two TS credits on this place, nor would I pay OOP for it.

I can make a better steak at home, blindfolded, with one arm tied behind my back.

One TS credit, yes, or maybe. It's decent, but it's not that good. Two TS credits? No way.

 

[TDC Nala]

I changed the thread title because lunch is not NOW 2 credits. It will be 2 credits in 2013.

This is being reported as fact because it is in the 2013 brochure. The brochure is an official Disney source. Although to my knowledge Disney has not announced it anywhere else other than the brochure.

"Prix fix meals will be subject to additional surcharges"

What the brochure actually says is:

“Choosing items from a separate prix fixe menu offered at certain locations requires payment of a surcharge in addition to redeeming the number of Table-Service entitlements required at the location.”

As noted, you can read this to mean they either put that in to cover and notify guests as to what Marrakesh already does, OR they put it in so all restaurants with prix fixe menus can start with surcharges. We don't know which it really means.

 

[havoc315]

What the brochure actually says is:

“Choosing items from a separate prix fixe menu offered at certain locations requires payment of a surcharge in addition to redeeming the number of Table-Service entitlements required at the location.”

As noted, you can read this to mean they either put that in to cover and notify guests as to what Marrakesh already does, OR they put it in so all restaurants with prix fixe menus can start with surcharges. We don't know which it really means.

Doubt we will know for sometime. But if I were to guess, it's probably in there to cover Marakesh, and to give restaurants the option of adding a surcharge for prix fixe meals.

Just as Disney stopped giving milk with cereal, deciding that should count as 2 snacks or a meal..... They may have come to the conclusion that they shouldn't be "giving" regular DDP users an appetizer just because they order from the prix fixe menu.

 

[TDC Nala]

Actually I tend to think that the main reason behind the Disney-owned restaurants instituting the prix-fixe menus they have now (except maybe Flying Fish) was specifically to give regular DDP users an appetizer, and steer them away from the more expensive entrees as a result. I am certain that is the case with Le Cellier. Although Le Cel is going exclusively signature apparently, so it's all 2 credits and probably won't have a prix fixe anymore.

 

[PoohsFan1]

exactly. We love it - it is one of our favorites on site however.. I do not think it is signature. It is not in the same league as Artist Point and the likes.

I have to agree with this....we really enjoy Le Cellier and and go during lunch. However, I have had a much better steak at Yachtsman's, Cali Grill, Narcoossee's, and Artist Point which are all worthy of their Signature status. I really don't know how I feel about this change, DH will still want to go because it has become a must do for us. I also agree with the PP that said that we will have to wait and see what the 2 credit lunch menu is going to be like...it will be very interesting if they change that like they did with the dinner menu.

 

[TDC Nala]

Merging this with the thread on the Dining Plan board, as discussion of this topic should be on the Dining Plan board.

 

[disneymom0104]

I would never use 2 credits there for a lunch menu. We have been there and enjoyed it but don't think it is ALL that.

 

[thebwit]

Man we only go here for lunch due to the 2TS for dinner and find that the 1TS is a great value for us. Of course we are on the deluxe plan and that makes it a bit different from a per-point perspective as we get an app, entre, desert and non-alc beverage with our meal.

We normally use the deluxe plan and get our moneys worth of it. I know that in January we aren't using a meal plan due to schedules so it should be interesting to see how much we spend on food just dining at mostly QS places during the day as that will be a first for us (we like to sit down and eat)

 

[Missyrose]

I'm bummed as someone who doesn't even use the DDP. I pay OOP for my meals and I'm now worried that the prices at lunch will be jacked up to make it look more "worth" the two-credits.