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I have an unpopular opinion. I will get flack for saying but I will put it out there anyway. I think it's a perfect storm of A) kids with severe issues or disorders being mainstreamed (didn't see that 40 years ago).....B) over population of schools (too many kids, and many with issues, for administration to handle effectively)... C) parents who moan and complain if their kids get in trouble (not my Johnny and I'm going to the school board of you dare punish my child). And to expand on this...parenting has gone to shoot. Parents want to be their kids' friends and also don't ever want their kids to have any kind of negative feelings (the little darlings must be happy and liking them, the parents, at all times). I will also add in D) administration and teachers are way underpaid for the BS they deal with.
I'm a teacher, and I agree with you. The lack of support is also frustrating. I've had kids who I'm sure will be a danger to others and often we are told there isn't a lot anybody can do. The lack of coping skills kids have is also on a steep decline. I'm advisor for NJHS this year (kids have to have a 3.7 to get in, have to have service hours, leadership positions, etc.) Out of 100 students, we could only let in 40. The amount of emails I got demanding why their kid didn't get in, wanting to set up a meeting, threatening to go to the school board, etc. was ridiculous. No wonder why kids can't handle rejection. My own son didn't get in. Instead of demanding a recount of votes, I told my son next time he should have more service hours and leadership positions. He was disappointed, learned how to deal with those feelings, and learned that next time he needs to try harder.

I always turned boys down as nice AS POSSIBLE and I would teach anyone to do that even disturbed kids.
Well, of course. But if somebody is repeatedly asking you out and you keep saying no nicely, yet they keep asking, that's crossing the line into something else.
 
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5 things to know about mass shootings in America
5 things to know about mass shootings in America

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Outside Santa Fe High School in Texas on May 18, 2018.
AP Photo/David J. Phillip
Frederic Lemieux, Georgetown University

At least 10 students were killed at a Santa Fe, Texas high school on May 18 after a classmate opened fire with a shotgun and a .38 revolver.

The shooting came just three months after another teen shooter killed 17 in Parkland, Florida, sparking nationwide youth-led protests over gun violence – and a familiar debate over what changes could really make a difference.

As a criminologist, I often hear misconceptions creeping into the debate that springs up whenever a mass shooting occurs.

Here’s what the research actually shows.

#1: More guns don’t make you safer
A study I conducted on mass shootings indicated that this phenomenon is not limited to the United States.

Mass shootings also took place in 25 other wealthy nations between 1983 and 2013, but the number of mass shootings in the United States far surpasses that of any other country included in the study during the same period of time.

The U.S. had 78 mass shootings during that 30-year period.

The highest number of mass shootings experienced outside the United States was in Germany – where seven shootings occurred.

In the other 24 industrialized countries taken together, 41 mass shootings took place.

In other words, the U.S. had nearly double the number of mass shootings than all other 24 countries combined in the same 30-year period.


Another significant finding is that mass shootings and gun ownership rates are highly correlated. The higher the gun ownership rate, the more a country is susceptible to experiencing mass shooting incidents. This association remains high even when the United States is withdrawn from the analysis.


Similar results have been found by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, which states that countries with higher levels of firearm ownership also have higher firearm homicide rates.

My study also shows a strong correlation between mass shooting casualties and overall death by firearms rates. However, in this last analysis, the relation seems to be mainly driven by the very high number of deaths by firearms in the United States. The relation disappears when the United States is withdrawn from the analysis.

#2: Mass shootings are more frequent
A recent study published by the Harvard Injury Control Research Center shows that the frequency of mass shooting is increasing over time. The researchers measured the increase by calculating the time between the occurrence of mass shootings. According to the research, the days separating mass shooting occurrence went from on average 200 days during the period of 1983 to 2011 to 64 days since 2011.

What is most alarming with mass shootings is the fact that this increasing trend is moving in the opposite direction of overall intentional homicide rates in the U.S., which decreased by almost 50 percent since 1993 and in Europe where intentional homicides decreased by 40 percent between 2003 and 2013.

#3: Restricting sales works
Thanks to the Second Amendment, the United States has permissive gun licensing laws. This is in contrast to most developed countries, which have restrictive laws.

According to a seminal work by criminologists George Newton and Franklin Zimring, permissive gun licensing laws refer to a system in which everyone except specially prohibited groups of persons can purchase a firearm. In such a system, an individual does not have to justify purchasing a weapon; rather, the licensing authority has the burden of proof to deny gun acquisition.

By contrast, restrictive gun licensing laws refer to a system in which individuals who want to purchase firearms must demonstrate to a licensing authority that they have valid reasons to get a gun – like using it on a shooting range or going hunting – and that they demonstrate “good character
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The differences between these type of gun laws have important impacts. Countries with more restrictive gun licensing laws show fewer deaths by firearms and a lower gun ownership rate.

#4: Background checks work
In most of the restrictive background checks performed in developed countries like Canada and Australia, citizens are required to train for gun handling, obtain a license for hunting or provide proof of membership to a shooting range.

Individuals must prove that they do not belong to any “prohibited group,” such as the mentally ill, criminals, children or those at high risk of committing violent crime, such as individuals with a police record of threatening the life of another.

Here’s the bottom line. With these provisions, most U.S. active shooters would have been denied the purchase of a firearm.

#5: Most mass shootings are not terrorism
Journalists sometimes describe mass shooting as a form of domestic terrorism. This connection may be misleading.

There is no doubt that mass shootings are “terrifying” and “terrorize” the community where they have happened. However, not all active shooters involved in mass shooting have a political message or cause.

For example, the church shooting in Charleston, South Carolina, in June 2015 was a hate crime but was not judged by the federal government to be a terrorist act.

The majority of active shooters are linked to mental health issues, bullying and disgruntled employees. Active shooters may be motivated by a variety of personal or political motivations, usually not aimed at weakening government legitimacy. Frequent motivations are revenge or a quest for power.

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Editor’s note: This piece was updated on May 18, 2018 and Oct. 2, 2017. It was originally published on Dec. 3, 2015.

Frederic Lemieux, Professor of the Practice and Faculty Director of the Master’s in Applied Intelligence, Georgetown University

This article was originally published on The Conversation. Read the original article.

The first graph in his article shows the number of gun deaths in Australia was roughly 50 and in the US was roughly 550. Considering the population difference of the US at over 300 million and Australia’s at 25 million, ten times seems about right.
He said nothing about deaths per 100 or per 100,000
Seems like the auther had an opinion and wrote an article based on that opinion from a quick glance.
 
What keeps someone from doing the same at the thousands of places that have metal detectors? Why would it be more likely to happen at a school?

I just don’t see how a high school kid with a gun is going to be any more likely to get past armed officers at a metal detector than anyone else at any other location.

Because there are more guards where there is more people.

If someone shows up at Yankee stadium and shoots the guards at their entrance, more guards will come.

At a school they would struggle to cover the cost of one set of guards let alone redundancies for those
 
Because there are more guards where there is more people.

If someone shows up at Yankee stadium and shoots the guards at their entrance, more guards will come.

At a school they would struggle to cover the cost of one set of guards let alone redundancies for those

Why on earth would they put every officer they had at the entrance ? I know one high school has one at the front entrance, one in the area where the busses drop off and one in the parking lot. They move inside as the majority of students move inside. It’s not perfect but not what you are describing either.

We have four police officers on our campus. Each one has a radio to talk to the others. So problem in building one, all 4 know about it. If need be, all 4 go to building one.

And both our officers and the ones at the high school can easily radio to dispatch for the sherriff’s office.

I am having a hard time understanding how you are thinking this works.
 

The first graph in his article shows the number of gun deaths in Australia was roughly 50 and in the US was roughly 550. Considering the population difference of the US at over 300 million and Australia’s at 25 million, ten times seems about right.
He said nothing about deaths per 100 or per 100,000
Seems like the auther had an opinion and wrote an article based on that opinion from a quick glance.
Apparently you're correct.:-)
Some interesting statistics from the World Health Organization's 2017 fact gathering. http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/cause-of-death/road-traffic-accidents/by-country/
According to information gathered worldwide The United States is nowhere near the top of many of the causes of death, including violent deaths from all manner and means.
We rank 127th in traffic accidents with 10.04 per 100,000.
We rank 5th in drug deaths with at 10.21 per 100,000.
We rank 81st in fatal falls with 5.92 per 100,000.
We rank 88th in violent deaths with 5.53 per 100,000.
The violence statistics include not just firearms but all forms of violence against people.
One is much more likely to die from traffic accidents, drug use, or falling, than from ANY type of violent behavior with, or without, a firearm.
 
Why on earth would they put every officer they had at the entrance ? I know one high school has one at the front entrance, one in the area where the busses drop off and one in the parking lot. They move inside as the majority of students move inside. It’s not perfect but not what you are describing either.

We were talking about metal detectors. As a PP stated it takes 2-3 people to run each detector.
Schools don’t have the resources to have the security levels that say a stadium does, which was what a another poster was asking about.
 
I'm not ascribing anything. I'm just saying that bullying has played role in incidents (ETA: I should clarifying I'm not saying all incidents). The fact that someone is a football player doesn't absolve them from being bullied which it seemed you implied. You're correlating popularity status to whether someone can be bullied or not.

Hate crime, extremist views to me are of a different animal so to speak than normal bullying.

As far as Columbine I'm not sure what you're implying there.

The myth to Columbine is that the kids were bullied when in fact Eric Harris was a full on psychopath.
 
Apparently you're correct.:-)
Some interesting statistics from the World Health Organization's 2017 fact gathering. http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/cause-of-death/road-traffic-accidents/by-country/
According to information gathered worldwide The United States is nowhere near the top of many of the causes of death, including violent deaths from all manner and means.
We rank 127th in traffic accidents with 10.04 per 100,000.
We rank 5th in drug deaths with at 10.21 per 100,000.
We rank 81st in fatal falls with 5.92 per 100,000.
We rank 88th in violent deaths with 5.53 per 100,000.
The violence statistics include not just firearms but all forms of violence against people.
One is much more likely to die from traffic accidents, drug use, or falling, than from ANY type of violent behavior with, or without, a firearm.


Who are you trying to convince that you are great, yourself or the rest of the world?
 
Interesting. A bunch of celebrities in the UK including Tailor Smith have appeared in a national newspaper saying, no more moments of silence; how about a moment of action?
Well now that “A bunch of celebrities in the UK” have chimed in.
Couldn’t resist
 
More like a group of people that have decided that simply saying "thoughts and prayers" is no monger sufficient.

Given that they know the impact they have on so many people, especially the younger generation, I thought it was a nice thing that they all banded together to call for Enough is Enough. :)
 
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