Land Border Opening?

[bcwife76]

I once had a TSA agent at SNA (John Wayne, airport close to Anaheim) insist that we had to sign our kids passports NO NO NO. Luckily I carry a print out from the CBSA website that states the passport is null and void if a parent signs it. Pulled it out with a flourish. He gave me this "ugh, whatever" looks but obviously let us through. We cannot have been the first Canadians he'd ever encountered

 

[wdwmom3]

I once had a TSA agent at SNA (John Wayne, airport close to Anaheim) insist that we had to sign our kids passports NO NO NO. Luckily I carry a print out from the CBSA website that states the passport is null and void if a parent signs it. Pulled it out with a flourish. He gave me this "ugh, whatever" looks but obviously let us through. We cannot have been the first Canadians he'd ever encountered

I’ve heard of stories of that happening. Or with airline staff saying it. I keep a copy of the paper that came with my DS’s passport saying parents are not to sign in, in his actual passport.

 

[Jiminyfan2020]

I once had a TSA agent at SNA (John Wayne, airport close to Anaheim) insist that we had to sign our kids passports NO NO NO. Luckily I carry a print out from the CBSA website that states the passport is null and void if a parent signs it. Pulled it out with a flourish. He gave me this "ugh, whatever" looks but obviously let us through. We cannot have been the first Canadians he'd ever encountered

Same thing happened to us at the airport in Newark. Agent wouldn't let us board our flight until I signed both of our children's passports. I refused several times and stated why. Finally I asked for their supervisor. Two seconds later we were on the plane; no supervisor needed apparently. Since then I carry the CBSA information as well.

 

[HappilyEverAfter80]

Wow, this thread is now 60 pages! Love all the information and also speculation Speaking of the latter, if you had to guess today, when do you think the land border will open? Do you see anything changing beyond what was already announced on July 20? What about August 20? Or do you think it will be even later.

 

[pigletto]

Wow, this thread is now 60 pages! Love all the information and also speculation Speaking of the latter, if you had to guess today, when do you think the land border will open? Do you see anything changing beyond what was already announced on July 20? What about August 20? Or do you think it will be even later.

I go back and forth on this one in my head but I’m thinking it will be September. I think restrictions will ease gradually before then but until we hit 75 or even 80 percent fully vaxed we won’t see a full reopening. And I think they are rightfully very worried about the Delta variant which is proving more transmissible and responsible for outbreaks in places that are way further ahead than us on vaccination rates ( I.e. Israel just had to reinstate their mask mandates ) .

So if we are patient and get our vaccination rates as high as possible we can open up and not worry as much about a punishing fourth wave .Hopefully. I know that’s not the most optimistic view but it would be awful to open up too soon and have to go through this a fourth time .

 

[Sue M]

Wow, this thread is now 60 pages! Love all the information and also speculation Speaking of the latter, if you had to guess today, when do you think the land border will open? Do you see anything changing beyond what was already announced on July 20? What about August 20? Or do you think it will be even later.

Did they announce what they are doing July 20? I must have missed it. I just thought they announced starting July 1 no quarantine, hotel, or day 8 test for fully vaccinated.

 

[SirDuff]

Did they announce what they are doing July 20? I must have missed it. I just thought they announced starting July 1 no quarantine, hotel, or day 8 test for fully vaccinated.

I think maybe the PP meant 20-JUNE. Isn’t that the day that the announcement was made? And thought that the changes came in on 5-July, not 1-July? Or did it change?

 

[mamaofsix]

Wow, this thread is now 60 pages! Love all the information and also speculation Speaking of the latter, if you had to guess today, when do you think the land border will open? Do you see anything changing beyond what was already announced on July 20? What about August 20? Or do you think it will be even later.

I think Sept will be when we see the land border fully open. That lets the summer pass without us seeing scores of tourists coming here and putting us at risk.

In the meantime, I think we're going to see a vaccine passport system announced, with eligible Canadians required to have a double vaccine. The only hitch is the U.S. - so many states have already passed legislation outlawing the requirement of vaccine passports. I think they are holding up this process because Canada wants to require it, and the U.S. refuses...

 

[HappilyEverAfter80]

Did they announce what they are doing July 20? I must have missed it. I just thought they announced starting July 1 no quarantine, hotel, or day 8 test for fully vaccinated.

No, sorry - nothing else was announced other than the easing of restrictions for Canadians who are fully vaccinated which starts July 6. However, the Canada/USA border is still technically closed until July 20. If the closure gets extended again, at that point it will be to August 20. I’m assuming there will be extensions or announcements prior to July 20 and August 20 ,and was wondering what do people think will happen.
I agree, we are probably looking at September. MAYBE August 20. Even though it will wipe another summer tourist season for Canada...
I am praying the variants won’t throw a wrench in our full reopening. Our city health unit doctor was giving an update the other day, taking questions from media and when asked how worried he is about it, he said his advice is to do as much as we can this summer if we are fully vaccinated, so if there is another wave and more restrictions come in the Fall, we are recharged. My heart sank when he said that... we are already being told get ready for resurgence in the Fall. I can’t even think about it, but this is the main reason I want to go away late August if my family is fully vaccinated.

 

[CJK]

Our city health unit doctor was giving an update the other day, taking questions from media and when asked how worried he is about it, he said his advice is to do as much as we can this summer if we are fully vaccinated, so if there is another wave and more restrictions come in the Fall, we are recharged. My heart sank when he said that... we are already being told get ready for resurgence in the Fall. I can’t even think about it, but this is the main reason I want to go away late August if my family is fully vaccinated.

My heart sinks too. I was really, really, hoping that high vaccination rates could avoid a 4th wave. I can't even let myself think of another wave. I had been hoping for things to get fairly back to normal by the fall.

 

[HappilyEverAfter80]

My heart sinks too. I was really, really, hoping that high vaccination rates could avoid a 4th wave. I can't even let myself think of another wave. I had been hoping for things to get fairly back to normal by the fall.

Absolutely. I feel the same. I can’t even think about it... hope it doesn’t happen.

 

[ellbell]

I think Sept will be when we see the land border fully open. That lets the summer pass without us seeing scores of tourists coming here and putting us at risk.

In the meantime, I think we're going to see a vaccine passport system announced, with eligible Canadians required to have a double vaccine. The only hitch is the U.S. - so many states have already passed legislation outlawing the requirement of vaccine passports. I think they are holding up this process because Canada wants to require it, and the U.S. refuses...

I'm pretty confident that it will be before September. Justin Trudeau has made a big deal on emphasizing weeks not months.

 

[ilovetotravel1977]

If the States doesn't want/need a vaccine passport then fine! We won't need it to get into the US. Just for getting home.

But I think the US will need something in line to be able to show OTHER countries they wish to enter. They don't make all of the rules in the world...

 

[pigletto]

No, sorry - nothing else was announced other than the easing of restrictions for Canadians who are fully vaccinated which starts July 6. However, the Canada/USA border is still technically closed until July 20. If the closure gets extended again, at that point it will be to August 20. I’m assuming there will be extensions or announcements prior to July 20 and August 20 ,and was wondering what do people think will happen.
I agree, we are probably looking at September. MAYBE August 20. Even though it will wipe another summer tourist season for Canada...
I am praying the variants won’t throw a wrench in our full reopening. Our city health unit doctor was giving an update the other day, taking questions from media and when asked how worried he is about it, he said his advice is to do as much as we can this summer if we are fully vaccinated, so if there is another wave and more restrictions come in the Fall, we are recharged. My heart sank when he said that... we are already being told get ready for resurgence in the Fall. I can’t even think about it, but this is the main reason I want to go away late August if my family is fully vaccinated.

Uggghhh . This honestly goes through my head over and over . I played it safe and booked January but if the Delta variant breaks through our vaccines and causes another wave , January will be peak shutdown time. Everything I booked is refundable but it would be so hard to find time off for all of my family to go together before then. So I’ll just keep hoping for the best I suppose.

 

[TammyLynn33]

Uggghhh . This honestly goes through my head over and over . I played it safe and booked January but if the Delta variant breaks through our vaccines and causes another wave , January will be peak shutdown time. Everything I booked is refundable but it would be so hard to find time off for all together before then. So I’ll just keep hoping for the best I suppose.

i worry because their vax numbers aren’t much higher than mine and I read somewhere , 10% have not gone back for their second shots ( and supply isn’t the issue ) CNN and us news media are just starting to talk about Delta . Im afraid they are in for a wave and that will affect us wanting to travel there

 

[Sue M]

No, sorry - nothing else was announced other than the easing of restrictions for Canadians who are fully vaccinated which starts July 6. However, the Canada/USA border is still technically closed until July 20. If the closure gets extended again, at that point it will be to August 20. I’m assuming there will be extensions or announcements prior to July 20 and August 20 ,and was wondering what do people think will happen.
I agree, we are probably looking at September. MAYBE August 20. Even though it will wipe another summer tourist season for Canada...
I am praying the variants won’t throw a wrench in our full reopening. Our city health unit doctor was giving an update the other day, taking questions from media and when asked how worried he is about it, he said his advice is to do as much as we can this summer if we are fully vaccinated, so if there is another wave and more restrictions come in the Fall, we are recharged. My heart sank when he said that... we are already being told get ready for resurgence in the Fall. I can’t even think about it, but this is the main reason I want to go away late August if my family is fully vaccinated.

If everyone that can gets vaccinated we may get thru it. My fingers are crossed. I have hopes that the next announcement for July 20 is fully vaccinated people only need quick test at airport and opening up land border to fully vaccinated.
If US citizens want to travel anywhere they will need a vaccine passport. I think the govt will see that. People will want to start traveling when it’s possible.

 

[ilovetotravel1977]

I thought we had to learn to live with covid? Vaccinate the masses and learn from our previous wins/losses.
The public is growing very weary of all this variant talk, to the point a lot think they are just fear mongering because they are essentially going back on their word each time we hit their noted goal post. I am a huge ruler follower, whether I believe I should or not. But at this point, I actually don't even care anymore. I'll get my second shot and live my life like they told me I could do.

Edit to add: How well do you think it will go over with the tourism sector if they were made to shutdown again?

 

[Mikey15]

Current closure is until 11:59pm ET July 21. When the one-month extension was made we were roughly ~75/20 vaccinated. We’re already up to 77/30 in ~10 days. Another three weeks when they have to make the call, we should be at least 50% fully vaccinated, maybe closer to 80/55.

This last one-month extension I think 2nd dose levels and the Delta risk were drivers, but also something to point to that’s disease-related rather than political/diplomatic. Canada’s lack of interest in accepting unvaccinated US-ians, desire for proof of vaccination, etc, is almost guaranteed to be a sticking point in negotiating the opening with the US. If that angle gets resolved, we could be open July 22nd. If it doesn’t, and we’re not 80/80 yet (we should be early August), I would understand officials not wanting a major unvaccinated inflow until we’ve done everything possible to fully vaccinate Canadians.

 

[pigletto]

I thought we had to learn to live with covid? Vaccinate the masses and learn from our previous wins/losses.
The public is growing very weary of all this variant talk, to the point a lot think they are just fear mongering because they are essentially going back on their word each time we hit their noted goal post. I am a huge ruler follower, whether I believe I should or not. But at this point, I actually don't even care anymore. I'll get my second shot and live my life like they told me I could do.

Edit to add: How well do you think it will go over with the tourism sector if they were made to shutdown again?

Yes but this also relies on as many of us as possible being fully vaccinated to open up . And as you said earlier , we make the rules for our country , not the USA . So we are staying closed to protect our citizens and our economic interests .

If we opened up too soon and hit another huge wave who would be blamed ? Our government. The same people who yelled that we didn’t close our borders soon enough are now yelling that we aren’t opening quick enough .. but the results of opening too soon would be disastrous.

I don’t recall being told my being fully vaccinated meant I could do whatever I wanted as soon as I wanted . It just meant I was a step closer to helping end this pandemic for our country as a whole .

 

[CJK]

I have friends living in Florida, and I just mentioned to them this concern of a 4th wave in the fall. The notion isn't even on their radar. Their feeling is that the worst of the pandemic is behind us. Oh how I would love for that to be true!!!