Land Border Opening?

[ilovetotravel1977]

They better tell Tam that then!

 

[bbangel]

In Nova Scotia we have always been using population not eligible - we have reached 71% of population with first dose

 

[bcwife76]

Eligible is absolutely reasonable!! He also stated that lifting of restrictions/phased approaches to reopening borders and travel will happen in WEEKS not months. He stressed that several times.Also, a good sign. Of course, he didn't elaborate on how many phases there will be but I think we can assume there will be at least two more.

 

[TommyJK]

Eligible is absolutely reasonable!! He also stated that lifting of restrictions/phased approaches to reopening borders and travel will happen in WEEKS not months. He stressed that several times.Also, a good sign. Of course, he didn't elaborate on how many phases there will be but I think we can assume there will be at least two more.

I mean, in hindsight I think it's perhaps always been "eligible". If we break down the facts:

- A month ago they said they'd start easing restrictions when we hit 75/20 (although not specifically saying whether that meant eligible or total population)
- This past Friday we hit 75/20 of eligible, but only 66/17 of total population.
- Yesterday they announced the first round of restrictions that are easing.

So regardless of how the media has been reporting it (where it seems to be an equal speculation of some saying eligible, some saying total population), the actual actions that have been taken align to eligible.

 

[DisDee1982]

But would you leave your small child home alone? No.

Of course not - this made perfect sense to me - vaccinated parents can come and go as they please. In our case, my husband no longer has to take time off when we return from vacation, I'll work from home and stay with my 10 year old while he isolates. The point is that the vaccinated family members are not in isolation, only the unvaccinated.

 

[Marek Zyskowski]

Monday's announcement was not clear at all.

 

[bgula]

I'm curious why people don't just do the free testing? My son did it before traveling to Oklahoma - no problem. Is it just the worry that you won't get the results in time?

 

[bcwife76]

I'm curious why people don't just do the free testing? My son did it before traveling to Oklahoma - no problem. Is it just the worry that you won't get the results in time?

A free test to enter the US? That doesn't exist, not in BC anyway. If you need a Covid test for travel you have to pay for it. The cost varies.

 

[tlcdoula]

A free test to enter the US? That doesn't exist, not in BC anyway. If you need a Covid test for travel you have to pay for it. The cost varies.

I looked online for Bc and could only find one place near me and it was $300 plus tax per person. Yikes.

 

[bcwife76]

I looked online for Bc and could only find one place near me and it was $300 plus tax per person. Yikes.

I have seen cheaper in BC (closer to $200 and I think testing at YVR might be even less). But definitely not free.

 

[Sue M]

I have seen cheaper in BC (closer to $200 and I think testing at YVR might be even less). But definitely not free.

Yvr is cheapest ive found too. Fly Clear is a rip off.

 

[Sue M]

I'm curious why people don't just do the free testing? My son did it before traveling to Oklahoma - no problem. Is it just the worry that you won't get the results in time?

If we had free testing in BC for travel I’d do that.

 

[newdeal]

maybe one day they will allow the antigen rapid test because those they are giving away for free to many businesses (although I don't think uptake has been very good on that).

Regardless, the 75/20 they were referring to was not eligible or total. It was ADULTS. So 18+. You can see that right on their modelling slides https://www.canada.ca/content/dam/p...canada-epidemiology-modelling-20210423-en.pdf

you will notice that the modelling shows hospitalizations over the threshold not until late fall. Therefore the two week wait between shot and immune response doesn't come into play which is why the guidelines were always based on people who got the shot, not people who got the shot plus two weeks. The modelling slide is also clear on this, it says based on lifting when 20% received second dose, not when 20% fully immunized. The doctors are also now wishy washy on that as well even though the science was ever based on waiting two weeks, just the number of people who got the shot.

the reason it is adults is because they are counting what matters which is hospitalizations, not cases. Even unvaccinated kids 12-18 getting covid are not ending up in the hospital so their vax numbers don't come into play in a world where we are using logic and science rather than fear and control. Unfortunately the doctors are afraid so they keep being wishy washy when it comes to implementing their own science.

Also the modelling takes opening the border into account

• The model assumes 4 weeks after restrictive measures are lifting, the border reopens and the number of imported cases increases from 2 per 100,000 per week to 12 per 100,000 based on current reduction in travel volume due to border restrictions, imported cases are estimated from the PHAC importation model;

This modelling was before delta, they haven't updated it since

 

[mamaofsix]

I'm curious why people don't just do the free testing? My son did it before traveling to Oklahoma - no problem. Is it just the worry that you won't get the results in time?

Not sure what Province you're in, but it's $200 in Ontario. My guess is that if your son was traveling for essential business purposes, his place of employment paid for the test.

Also, this thread is about the land border re-opening to non-essential travelers (which it has not yet). I'm guessing your son flew down?

 

[ilovetotravel1977]

Will we hit the targets faster if it is eligible or population. I'm confused.

 

[bgula]

Not sure what Province you're in, but it's $200 in Ontario. My guess is that if your son was traveling for essential business purposes, his place of employment paid for the test.

Also, this thread is about the land border re-opening to non-essential travelers (which it has not yet). I'm guessing your son flew down?

I'm talking about the regular tests which are free. My son went to visit his girlfriend. He had no problem getting on his flight in Toronto.

 

[wdwmom3]

I'm talking about the regular tests which are free. My son went to visit his girlfriend. He had no problem getting on his flight in Toronto.

You are not supposed to use those for travelling. Those are to be used if you suspect you have covid or is a requirement for your work etc.

If everyone travelling did that it would take longer for everyone to get results. Most importantly those who need to know because of symptoms etc.

Also kind of not great that you are using something paid for by taxes to help you travel.

 

[wdwmom3]

Will we hit the targets faster if it is eligible or population. I'm confused.

Eligible. If it’s population you need a larger number vaccinated because kids can’t be.

 

[Sue M]

You are not supposed to use those for travelling. Those are to be used if you suspect you have covid or is a requirement for your work etc.

If everyone travelling did that it would take longer for everyone to get results. Most importantly those who need to know because of symptoms etc.

Also kind of not great that you are using something paid for by taxes to help you travel.

Exactly right. Plus I believe you need a report you can download or print containing certain info. I’ve had to get a couple of tests due to possible exposure and all I got was a text message saying negative. I think the border needs something more.

 

[ellbell]

I'm talking about the regular tests which are free. My son went to visit his girlfriend. He had no problem getting on his flight in Toronto.

You have to meet certain criteria to have a test done. Travel is not a valid reason so if he did that then he lied to get it done.