Land Border Opening?

[newdeal]

its all somewhat strange since a single shot of Pfizer seems to be more effective than a single shot of J&J which after a single shot you would be good to go.

 

[TLPL]

its all somewhat strange since a single shot of Pfizer seems to be more effective than a single shot of J&J which after a single shot you would be good to go.

I don't think Pfizer is a single shot vaccine tho.

 

[NewYKRunner]

I don't think Pfizer is a single shot vaccine tho.

They’re saying after the first dose, not that it’s a single dose.

 

[ilovetotravel1977]

Ha! In Canada after your first shot of Pfizer, who knows how much protection you get since your next dose in months later LOL Might all be a wash in the end.

 

[damo]

its all somewhat strange since a single shot of Pfizer seems to be more effective than a single shot of J&J which after a single shot you would be good to go.

You can't compare efficacy since the vaccines were tested at different times in different populations.

 

[newdeal]

You can't compare efficacy since the vaccines were tested at different times in different populations.

you really can because as the numbers get so large (hundred of millions of doses delivered worldwide) it takes out any sampling variability.

 

[damo]

you really can because as the numbers get so large (hundred of millions of doses delivered worldwide) it takes out any sampling variability.

What current efficacy numbers are you looking at?

 

[newdeal]

J&J’s vaccine has 66.3% effectiveness overall and 74.4% effectiveness in the United States, it has “100% efficacy against hospitalization and death from the virus

Using the data from the published study of the Pfizer vaccine, Public Health England determined that vaccine efficacy was 89% for 15-21 days after dose 1 – and before dose 2 on day 21. The range was between 52% and 97%. For days 15-28, or up to the first week after the second dose, protection from the first dose was estimated at 91%. The range for this was between 74% and 97%. A second dose would not be expected to confer immunity within that time.

 

[pigletto]

I was reading about the UK framework for travel this weekend. They will essentially have tiers of countries you can visit. If the country is on the green list you have to do testing, but no quarantine when returning. If a country is on the amber list you have to test and quarantine five days upon return etc etc . It will be revisited every three weeks and countries can be added. They can also be taken off the list quickly in case of outbreak.
I am finding it interesting as I believe we will have some similarities in our approach to reopening. I think travel will still require vaccination and testing but not necessarily quarantine if you are visiting an approved country and test negative.
You can read more about the UK policies here
https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-52544307
It’s being criticized as too restrictive and I suspect whatever we roll out in Canada will be very cautious and draw similar complaints from some.

 

[ilovetotravel1977]

Hmm, but how much will they charge for the testing per person? That's what I want to know. If we still need to test prior to leaving Canada, and then test prior to leaving "X", and then test upon arrival in Canada... that's ridiculous.

 

[HappilyEverAfter80]

I was reading about the UK framework for travel this weekend. They will essentially have tiers of countries you can visit. If the country is on the green list you have to do testing, but no quarantine when returning. If a country is on the amber list you have to test and quarantine five days upon return etc etc . It will be revisited every three weeks and countries can be added. They can also be taken off the list quickly in case of outbreak.
I am finding it interesting as I believe we will have some similarities in our approach to reopening. I think travel will still require vaccination and testing but not necessarily quarantine if you are visiting an approved country and test negative.
You can read more about the UK policies here
https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-52544307
It’s being criticized as too restrictive and I suspect whatever we roll out in Canada will be very cautious and draw similar complaints from some.

I haven’t had a chance to read the entire thing, but at first glance it doesn’t mention vaccines? Or having different/less restrictions for vaccinated travelers?

 

[pigletto]

I haven’t had a chance to read the entire thing, but at first glance it doesn’t mention vaccines? Or having different/less restrictions for vaccinated travelers?

I didn’t see that either but I skimmed the one I linked too . I assume it’s part of the plan but I don’t know for sure .

 

[HappilyEverAfter80]

I didn’t see that either but I skimmed the one I linked too . I assume it’s part of the plan but I don’t know for sure .

Hopefully! I know the EU has talked about vaccines as part of their entry restrictions (or tests or quarantines) but the UK is no longer part of the EU I think?
Either way I hope it is because otherwise people may stop vaccinating...

 

[NewYKRunner]

We hit 400,000 vaccinations today!!! I think that is a new one day record? 400,489!!!

Just shy of that again today. According to the link below, I'm guessing in approximately a week Canada could have as many people vaccinated as the US (percentage of population) with at least one dose. The US has way more people vaccinated with a second dose, though.

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

 

[KNovacovschi]

Hmm, but how much will they charge for the testing per person? That's what I want to know. If we still need to test prior to leaving Canada, and then test prior to leaving "X", and then test upon arrival in Canada... that's ridiculous.

The test before leaving Canada is $200 if you are in Ontario and I believe Alberta, I’m not sure if other provinces are offering this as well. This is also done through Life Labs through Shoppers and guarantees your results with 48 hrs and for the States it has to be done within 72 hrs. To do the free one can take up to 7 days to get the results which won’t work. The one at Shoppers is specifically for travel. I purchased mine awhile ago for my trip that was supposed to have been mid April but I will use it for my September trip now. To come home if you go to Maingate it is free for the test and you receive your results usually within 48 hrs. I believe the test when you land is free.

 

[Carolynleanne]

The test before leaving Canada is $200 if you are in Ontario and I believe Alberta, I’m not sure if other provinces are offering this as well. This is also done through Life Labs through Shoppers and guarantees your results with 48 hrs and for the States it has to be done within 72 hrs. To do the free one can take up to 7 days to get the results which won’t work. The one at Shoppers is specifically for travel. I purchased mine awhile ago for my trip that was supposed to have been mid April but I will use it for my September trip now. To come home if you go to Maingate it is free for the test and you receive your results usually within 48 hrs. I believe the test when you land is free.

It's almost $400 here in BC

 

[bcwife76]

It's almost $400 here in BC

It's $199+tax on the LifeLabs website for BC for pre departure travel:

https://www.lifelabs.com/flyclear/?myProvince=bc

 

[Carolynleanne]

It's $199+tax on the LifeLabs website for BC for pre departure travel:

https://www.lifelabs.com/flyclear/?myProvince=bc

WHOA! This must be new!!! I hadn't seen this yet. Thank you for sharing.

 

[pigletto]

I don’t think test prices will stay that high once we are allowed to travel freely. One, because people will lose it if it stays that high and two because it will become a huge market and companies are probably poised and ready to offer better prices .

 

[ilovetotravel1977]

It shouldn't even be a requirement once fully vaccinated.