Kids under 3

[missj1975]

I just get so frustrated when I see people ask if it is ok if the do something that they know is wrong. And even more frustrated by the number of people who tell them yeah, go for it! Stealing is stealing, no matter how you phrase it. And no matter how much the company you are stealing from makes.

I agree!!!

 

[StitchandPooh'sMom]

The real world to me is being honest, paying for the services I use, and not believing (or teaching my children) that the rules really just don't apply to me.

Your real world is the same as mine - maybe it is a regional thing?

 

[I_Know_You2!]

Your real world is the same as mine - maybe it is a regional thing?

You gotta love those mom's that teach their kids these basics!

 

[maxiesmom]

Well I do live in the real world. And I don't have a horse. And I don't think telling a lie to get something for free when I am supposed to pay for it is the same as telling a white lie to avoid hurting someones feelings. The last time I looked, you could go to jail for stealing. They don't have a jail for people who tell little white lies.

When it comes to being charged for Disney passes, you either are of an age that you have to pay for one, or you are not. No grey area. So why does this subject come up for debate so often? This is not hard to understand. Your child either is 3 and over, or isn't. Pay accordingly.

 

[I_Know_You2!]

Now, you are going to go hurting someone's self esteem!

 

[StitchandPooh'sMom]

When it comes to being charged for Disney passes, you either are of an age that you have to pay for one, or you are not. No grey area. So why does this subject come up for debate so often? This is not hard to understand. Your child either is 3 and over, or isn't. Pay accordingly.

Hard to argue with this logic, but I expect some will try!

 

[ruadisneyfan2]

I didn't lie at Disney!!! What the heck did you folks have for breakfast!!

I said I told a white lie at times when my DD wouldn't hear me. Like the free story time at the library that DD4 was going to but my younger DD was 23 months and had to be 2 to attend!!! If parents have to attend with their kids what was I supposed to do?? Leave my 23 month old in the car????
How about the time at the mall when they were handing out balloons to children over 2- but my DD was only 20 mos. old. Her sister got one- try explaining that to a 20 m/o!! Of course I just smiled and said "of course she can have one".
Every person on this planet tells white lies. We have to to avoid hurting people's feelings. "Of course that shirt looks nice", "What a cute baby!", "No, DH, I didn't pay full price for that!" We all do it. It's self preservation.

I don't think people should lie to avoid paying for a 3 y/o child. But people do it all the time.

I think some of us need to get off our high horses and live in the real world with everyone else.
-Sarah


BTW.....

"StitchandPooh'sMom
Now if only I could think of something witty to say . . ."

Maybe you should change that to say; "Now if only I could think of something nice to say...."

I totally agree. People are so easily honest and self righteous when they're here. If you filled your gas tank and charged it to a credit card but the transaction never posted, would you call Exxon and say "Please bill me. I'm being sooo honest."
Puhleese! We'd all need hip boots here for the pile of BS!

I'm not advocating stealing from Disney but the tone here is just nauseating.

 

[StitchandPooh'sMom]

I totally agree. People are so easily honest and self righteous when they're here. If you filled your gas tank and charged it to a credit card but the transaction never posted, would you call Exxon and say "Please bill me. I'm being sooo honest."
Puhleese! We'd all need hip boots here for the pile of BS!

I'm not advocating stealing from Disney but the tone here is just nauseating.

It IS easy to be honest. Haven't you ever gone back to a store that has undercharged you? I have, and I am definitely not the only one. Maybe it is a foreign concept for you, but it is pretty commonplace among my circle of friends. Stuff most of us learned in kindergarten - don't take things that don't belong to you.

What is nauseating is how people who think it is OK to lie, cheat and steal try to make honest people out to be "self righteous". This always turns into name-calling - people who don't agree with lying must think they are so perfect. Not so, but if the OP asks if it is OK to lie, we all have the right to offer opinions. Give me a break. I'm not going to proselytize to you - we obviously have different standards. But don't presume to know how other people choose to live their lives. It is the ones who have advocated lying who have done all the name-calling on this thread. Other than a few who are determined to ease their consciences, the rest of us have been pretty civil in our disbelief over the lengths people will go to to save a buck.

 

[Tiffany_MommyOf3]

It IS easy to be honest. Haven't you ever gone back to a store that has undercharged you? I have, and I am definitely not the only one. Maybe it is a foreign concept for you, but it is pretty commonplace among my circle of friends. Stuff most of us learned in kindergarten - don't take things that don't belong to you.

What is nauseating is how people who think it is OK to lie, cheat and steal try to make honest people out to be "self righteous". This always turns into name-calling - people who don't agree with lying must think they are so perfect. Not so, but if the OP asks if it is OK to lie, we all have the right to offer opinions. Give me a break. I'm not going to proselytize to you - we obviously have different standards. But don't presume to know how other people choose to live their lives. It is the ones who have advocated lying who have done all the name-calling on this thread. Other than a few who are determined to ease their consciences, the rest of us have been pretty civil in our disbelief over the lengths people will go to to save a buck.

Yep, I've turned around and told them that they missed ringing something up a few times. There was one occasion that I didn't and that was because the lady took forever and I was in a rush and by the time I read the receipt I was at home. I won't load up my kids and haul back to the store just because of a small box of wipes LOL. I did bring it up the next time I went back in and the customer service desk girl told me to speak to the manager LOL - I did and he said not to worry about it as it was old news and he was just happy to hear that I was being honest. So I got a free box of wipes because of honesty. If it had been a big ticket item, I probably would have called and told the manager the situation and came in later that day or the next day to pay for it. In hindsight, I probably would have for the wipes, but never thought about it.

 

[CJS~MOMMY]

Ouch,Im new here and now I feel bad for explaining on another thread why we are going before DS's 3rd birthday~ because his tickets are free.I figured this was good budget wise on first timers.Hope noone gets offended by this.

I didn't know however if we went any day before his 3rd ,he would be considered free for the trip.Like the day before for example.

Oh and I know they asked our sons birthday when we made our reservations.And they do keep them on file because we called to add more nights to our stay,and they stated DS's age.

 

[Tiffany_MommyOf3]

Ouch,Im new here and now I feel bad for explaining on another thread why we are going before DS's 3rd birthday~ because his tickets are free.I figured this was good budget wise on first timers.Hope noone gets offended by this.

I didn't know however if we went any day before his 3rd ,he would be considered free for the trip.Like the day before for example.

Oh and I know they asked our sons birthday when we made our reservations.And they do keep them on file because we called to add more nights to our stay,and they stated DS's age.

No, if your son is 2 when you arrive at Disney, he's free. No reason to offend anyone... if you son was 3 when you arrived at Disney, you'd need to buy him tickets and pay for meals.

 

[I_Know_You2!]

I totally agree. People are so easily honest and self righteous when they're here. If you filled your gas tank and charged it to a credit card but the transaction never posted, would you call Exxon and say "Please bill me. I'm being sooo honest."
Puhleese! We'd all need hip boots here for the pile of BS!

I'm not advocating stealing from Disney but the tone here is just nauseating.

Yeah. Wouldn't you?

How about if someone walked off with something of yours? Wouldn't you hope/expect them to return it? Or Pal mickey leaps from your stroller in Fantasyland, wouldn't you hope someone would grab it and call to you, or should they just pick it up and consider it their lucky day.

 

[maxiesmom]

I totally agree. People are so easily honest and self righteous when they're here. If you filled your gas tank and charged it to a credit card but the transaction never posted, would you call Exxon and say "Please bill me. I'm being sooo honest."
Puhleese! We'd all need hip boots here for the pile of BS!

I'm not advocating stealing from Disney but the tone here is just nauseating.

What you have given as an example is an accident. There was no intention of going to get gas and not paying for it. When people ask about sneaking their 3yr old in as a 2yr old, that is no accident! That is planning ahead to steal! To me, there is a huge difference!

As you may know, I work retail. And every so often we do have people come in and inform us that they were not charged for an item. So there are honest people out there! And you know what we do for them? We tell them to keep the item. Now, if we caught someone trying to take the same item without paying for it, then our security team would stop them. Isn't it called malice of forethought? The intention to steal is what is the problem. Setting out to do something you know is wrong is the problem!

And I think the "tone" is much worse from those who think it is ok to steal from Disney. And I don't mean just on this thread, but every time this comes up. They get angry at being held accountable for their actions, and then start name calling. What else can they do? They know they are wrong, so the argument descends to the 2nd grade level. "Yeah, maybe I steal, but you are mean!"

I wish people would just do the right thing.

 

[ruadisneyfan2]

I never said I think people should sneak a 2 y.o. in. We did buy a ticket for our son who had turned 3 a few weeks before we went to WDW way back in 2000. We used adult tickets for him once he turned 10. (If he used a child ticket before 10, it's free to upgrade the remaining days to an adult ticket.)

I try to be honest in all aspects of life and teach my children this too.

What I meant about the tone is that people act like they've never ever lied in their entire life.
I don't think there is a soul on earth who can honestly say they have never told a lie.

 

[Eeyore's Wife]

I am a foster mother, and I take all of my "kids" with me to Disney when we go, however I happened to acquire them.

Poor Disney reservation system, each time I go I have a different number of kids, and at differing ages. They always seem confused, especially if the number of kids is the same, but the ages are younger.

I usually go ahead and explain that I am a foster mom, and that is why my kids change ages. But, they do track your family's profile in the computer.

I have taken kids who were VERY small for their ages, and gotten funny looks when I got them tickets. My biological son was TALL for his age, and I had to take his birth certificate to ensure the airline would behave themselves and let him fly free.

Personally, I try to show my kids complete honesty and obedience to the rules, because that is what I want from them. I don't want my kids to think "fudging" with me is acceptable. I want the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth from them. If I want it from them, then I must show it to them.

I tell my kids that character is what you do when no one is looking, or in this case, when no one would find out. So, even though we could have "snuck" past Disney for tickets, we didn't do it.

To be fully honest however, we have gone as an extended family and "officially" had kids in one person's room while they slept elsewhere. I did not however see this as defrauding anyone.

--Eeyore's Wife

 

[I_Know_You2!]

I never said I think people should sneak a 2 y.o. in. We did buy a ticket for our son who had turned 3 a few weeks before we went to WDW way back in 2000. We used adult tickets for him once he turned 10. (If he used a child ticket before 10, it's free to upgrade the remaining days to an adult ticket.)

I try to be honest in all aspects of life and teach my children this too.

What I meant about the tone is that people act like they've never ever lied in their entire life.
I don't think there is a soul on earth who can honestly say they have never told a lie.

You know, you sound a bit snooty yourself.

As far as lying goes, yes, I have lied before. That doesn't make lying right or justifiable. I also smoked. That doesn't mean I justify it to my kids, or tell them to go ahead and do it. Why on earth would it? It means I did the wrong thing. The justification of lying on these threads, based on all kinds of hoo-haw is beyond pathetic.

We are raising a generation of kids that think it is a-ok to cheat in school, plagiarize material, "pad" resumes. I don't think that is an advancement of our culture.

Eeyore's Wife, we take foster kids too. As far as Disney is concerned we've had about 20 kids... And, yeah, they all had tickets...

 

[Beth E. (NJ)]

I'm locking this one. There were many posts here that verged on personal attacks.