Kerry for the middle class?

[DisneyMomx7]

I have three kids in college so I'll be glad to take the $4000 tax credit. Also, while the tax cut is nice, I don't want to leave my children and grandchildren with the largest deficit in history. I'll give up my tax cut so they won't be saddled with such a deficit.

 

[christineann]

I'm a single mother (divorced) with two kids age 19 and 16, and I make below $50,000. Shouldn't I be a Kerry supporter?

I was very happy to get the $300 check. No complaints.

Higher interest rates? I remember 14% in the 1970's, and this year I refinanced my house 3% lower rate than before - now 5.25%. Again, no complaints.

My income has not gone down as the liberals say - it has gone up, but that is because I WORK HARD.

That hard work also provides enough for me to buy good health care for my children. I work in the legal field - insurance defense, and I know why health and auto insurance rates are high. Not a fan of John Edwards, obviously, and I know what I'm talking about.

College tuition? My son is going to college on scholarships and federal loans. Even on my salary I can swing it, and I get NO help from anyone (the ex lost all contact with the kids due to abuse). The lottery here pays for a lot of kids to go to college, but 60% lose the scholarships the first year because they can't maintain a B average. My son does not benefit from the lottery in SC because he goes to school in NC (better school with the major he is pursuing).

As I said in another thread, a former co-worker (when I was teaching) voted for Bill Clinton because she said she wanted to quit work, and it would be easier for her to get on welfare if he were in office. And that's exactly what she did when he took office that January.

I'm posting this because I am no different from others - I was taught by my dad (a self-made man) that you do for yourself. I have nothing against the wealthy - I wish I were one of them!

 

[Crankyshank]

Originally posted by christineann
My income has not gone down as the liberals say - it has gone up, but that is because I WORK HARD.

My income went down in the last year, are you saying I'm not working hard? DH works a lot of overtime to try and make up for the loss, but we still are making less money. Your income doesn't necessarily reflect how hard one works.

 

[ainmama2001]

My husband is a small business owner....'Nuff said.

Go GWB!

 

[JimB.]

Last week, just for fun, I e-mailed the Kerry web site with the following question: "What plan does Mr. Kerry have for dealing with the AMT?"

I got back the standard "Cut & Paste" answer posted previously by our Kerry supporters.

I e-mailed thme back & politely stated they did not answer my question. They replied with the exact same answer. Six times I e-mailed them (again, just for fun). They gave the exact same non-reply six times.

Which means they have NO plan & no answer.

'Nuff said.

 

[BuckNaked]

DisneyMomx7 said:

I have three kids in college so I'll be glad to take the $4000 tax credit.

I'll give up my tax cut so they won't be saddled with such a deficit.

You'll give up one tax cut that benefits everyone that pays income tax so that your kids won't be saddled with debt, but you'll be more than happy to take a tax cut that doesn't benefit everyone while still saddling your children with the same debt.

What's wrong with this picture?

 

[dmadman43]

Originally posted by Crankyshank
My income went down in the last year, are you saying I'm not working hard? DH works a lot of overtime to try and make up for the loss, but we still are making less money. Your income doesn't necessarily reflect how hard one works.

No President would be to blame for either a raise or a fall in ones income.

 

[dmadman43]

Originally posted by DisneyMomx7
I have three kids in college so I'll be glad to take the $4000 tax credit.

Er...ummm..who do you think pays for that $4000 tax "credit"?

 

[Crankyshank]

Where did I say in that post that the President was to blame for my decrease in income last year? I blame Bernie Ebbers and his co-horts actually.

My point was that income level has nothing to do with how hard one works. The fact we make less money certainly doesn't mean I don't work as hard.

 

[septbride2002]

Some people will always make more than other people. We have to determine what a "fair share" and to me, and income tax that take nearly 40% of a person's income is immoral, legal theft, if you will. I'm just discussing, I'm not into personal attacks.

Tonyswife - if you took my remark as a personal attack then I apologize. That was not my intention.

~Amanda

 

[septbride2002]

If everyone that was all up in arms about the GWB tax plan and the current deficit sent back their checks, even if they were a lousy $300 (I'd be pretty happy to see $100!!!!!) imagine the difference it would make! But, people prefer to keep the money and then complain about the hole we're in. It's kind of ironic.

Should I assume since you are using my words that you are directing this post at me?

When did you see me keeping the money and complaining about the hole I am in? Yes I have debt - don't we all but I am doing what I can to get out of debt. I am working harder and harder every year to make up for the fact that when I went to college I wasn't eligible for federal assistant, scholarships, or grants because I was average. Yes that is exactly what the financial aid person said to me, "You are just to average." So now I strive to be above average to make up for that. I guess that taught me a lesson that average or middle class (since the majority of the population is middle class) have no one looking out for them.

~Amanda

 

[denisenh]

Originally posted by tonyswife
The top 20% of wage earners already pay 70% of the entire tax burden. How much more should they be expected to pay?

Is that before or after they dodge their taxes?

Monday :: Aug 9, 2004
Bush Confirms That "Really Rich People Figure Out How To Dodge Taxes"
After the Bush embarrassment at the Minority Journalists event Friday, I thought that Bush was showing signs of mental overload. But then this remark escaped his lips today at an event in Virginia, and now I know something is wrong with the man’s microprocessor:

Bush criticized Kerry's plan to eliminate the tax cuts for those making more than $200,000 a year, saying that the "the rich in America happen to be the small business owners" who put people to work.

Bush also said high taxes on the rich are a failed strategy because "the really rich people figure out how to dodge taxes anyway."

 

[christineann]

No, I am not saying that you are making less money because you don't work hard. Not at all. Here's an example: the attorney I worked for decided to form his own firm and began making comments that he was having trouble justifying my salary with his new partner. I was concerned about the stability of the job and the salary, so I left for another firm for the same $, worked very hard and got a good raise. I didn't wait around for something to happen because I could not take the risk since I am supporting a family. Those were my circumstances. My income did not go down, it went up despite political claims that salaries are going down. In conversations with various friends, all have said they are doing better. It depends on the field also. Here's another example. My sister had a real estate appraisal business, and when rates went up several years ago, business was off, so she started teaching, which was more than she was making at that time in her own business. She now teaches while her kids are in school, and her husband helps her with her appraisal business in addition to his own job as an adjustor.

We are responsible for our incomes and don't blame the president, whether we voted for him or not.

 

[TnKrBeLlA012]

I've come to the conclusion that the only way my middle class life will change is when? I win the lottery!

 

[BuckNaked]

Is that before or after they dodge their taxes?

1) Simply being in the top 20% does not make one rich.
2) If they are dodging and still paying 70%, sounds like they aren't doing such a good job of dodging after all.

I guess that taught me a lesson that average or middle class (since the majority of the population is middle class) have no one looking out for them.

What is the big deal about coming out of college with loans? And why should the federal government be in the job of paying for your college?

 

[denisenh]

Originally posted by ainmama2001
My husband is a small business owner....'Nuff said.

Go GWB!

Our neighbor, a small business owner with city roots as long as I-95, is a Kerry/Edwards supporter and so is my doctor,
for what it matters, which is probably nada.
I think Kerry has NH.

 

[BuckNaked]

denisenh, you've still not really answered the question I posed early on. If Kerry is for the middle class, why did he oppose the tax cuts that have gone to the middle class?

 

[minniepumpernickel]

Originally posted by dmadman43
And I know some that are exceedingly conservative. Not sure the relevance.

Ah yes, well the study of "nudism" sure is an interesting field. I don't know, the term 'conservative nudist' seems to be an oxymoron to me.
I mean, I thought that if she was seriously in that field, than what would the ramifications of having another term with a conservative in office be? Perhaps you can ask your friends for me?

Do they fall into the midle class? Wow, what an interesting debate.

 

[ainmama2001]

Actually, I wasn't "aiming" at anyone! This is a just a discussion, I thought! If I'm aiming stuff, you'll know it!

 

[Desperado]

Originally posted by BuckNaked
denisenh, you've still not really answered the question I posed early on. If Kerry is for the middle class, why did he oppose the tax cuts that have gone to the middle class?

Good question. His rhetoric certainly doesn't match his senate voting record.