Kaytiee (and others) would have been proud/frontier flight carry on issue

[Had2stopLurking]

So yesterday we were flying out of SNA on Frontier. They had already announced it was a full flight and bags that were too large would need to be gate checked for no charge. We were in row 2 (their 1st class type seating, extra leg room, ect) so we were able to board 1st. This one "gentleman" (I use that term loosely) boarded before us because he needed "extra assistance" and proceeded to put his oversized carry on in our bin sideways. (leaving only enough room for one of our regulation size carry-ons to fit).

I took his bag and turned it forward with the wheels in and the handle out and put our two in the same way next to his (ours fit like they are supposed to). He proceeded to start cussing me out and telling me it was none of my (insert cuss word) business and he would make sure that we had to gate check our bags so his would fit. (the bin wouldn't close with his the way it was after I turned it).

Betcha can't guess who had to gate check their bag?

I'll give you a hint, it wasn't us.

This board has made me cynical. I probably could have fit one of ours under the seat in front of me along with my carry on that had snacks (so it was small), but, his cussing at me made me stand my ground.

I wish all airlines would enforce the fact that a carry on must fit a certain way.

 

[LidoDeck]

Good for you! I hope he learned a lesson and will comply with rules going forward. But I guess that's like wishing for world peace...

 

[safetymom]

Good for you!!! More people need to do this.

 

[Lewisc]

Maximum size for bin bags is of 9.5" height + 15.5" width + 24" length. (Frontier Airlines) It's entirely possible a bag which is legal sized will only fit in the bin lengthwise. Airlines which want to enforce wheels in (or wheels out) generally limit length to 21" or 22".

I wasn't there but it's possible the other passenger was 100% right and the OP was 100% wrong.

Good for you, if you were right but very bad and rude if you were wrong. Maybe not even good if you were right. It's up to the airlines, not other passengers, to enforce rules.

You re-oriented his bag so his bag would no longer fit but your two bags would. What would have done if he removed both of your bags and re-oriented his bag?

Did the GA/FA make an announcement requiring bags be placed in the bin wheels in?

Sometimes the problem is with the airline and not with passengers. Spirit's current max for bin bags is 24 inches by 16 inches by 12 inches. August 1 the maximum is being reduced to 22 inches by 18 inches by 10 inches. I understand the reduced maximums should ensure bags that only fit lengthwise are no longer legal.

 

[Had2stopLurking]

Maximum size for bin bags is of 9.5" height + 15.5" width + 24" length. (Frontier Airlines) It's entirely possible a bag which is legal sized will only fit in the bin lengthwise. Airlines which want to enforce wheels in (or wheels out) generally limit length to 21" or 22".

I wasn't there but it's possible the other passenger was 100% right and the OP was 100% wrong.

Good for you, if you were right but very bad and rude if you were wrong. Maybe not even good if you were right. It's up to the airlines, not other passengers, to enforce rules.

You re-oriented his bag so his bag would no longer fit but your two bags would. What would have done if he removed both of your bags and re-oriented his bag?

Did the GA/FA make an announcement requiring bags be placed in the bin wheels in?

Sometimes the problem is with the airline and not with passengers. Spirit's current max for bin bags is 24 inches by 16 inches by 12 inches. August 1 the maximum is being reduced to 22 inches by 18 inches by 10 inches. I understand the reduced maximums should ensure bags that only fit lengthwise are no longer legal.

Yes, they did make the announcement before boarding at least a few times. The guy KNEW he was wrong, hence his defensive attitude from the start (in my opinion). Had he not cussed at me from the get go and tell me I better not touch his bag, I would have happily put one of ours under the seat in front of me (I had plenty of room, I'm not a tall person). His attitude and language is what made me stand my ground on the issue.

I've asked FA's on other flights if they want me to put mine under the seat when I can see they are struggling to satisfy everyone on other flights (all within regulations, just a lot of them), and it's worked out fine.

The guy was just such a jerk from the get go, I wasn't about to back down. Had he said nicely, "I realize mine is sideways, but maybe we can work together to get all of them in together and help each other take them down if one is on it's edge" or something, then yes, I would have been MORE than happy to help him. His cussing at me before I even put anything in the bin when I said to my husband "ours won't fit with that one sideways" and him immediately cussing at me, well, that doesn't work for me.

It didn't work for him either obviously. I wasn't the one standing at the baggage carousel waiting for my bag that had to be checked.

 

[kaytieeldr]

I am very proud of you!

 

[Missytara]

I am very proud of you!

Ditto!

 

[FINFAN]

On some of my flights this year my regulation size carry on ( which I do not stuff, I needed to carry legal papers) anyway...on ONE side of the plane it fits in wheels facing windows/ handle facing aisle, on the OTHER side of the plane it does not fit that way, has to go in sideways. Matter of fact the flight attendants specifically announced that after a LOT of people were loudly voicing their opinion that people were not putting their carry-ons in the right way...so there are certain types of aircraft ,( and I had 6 flights in 3 months and this happend 3 of them) that one side of the plane has less overhead space than the other. I was on Airtran.

 

[goofy4tink]

On some of my flights this year my regulation size carry on ( which I do not stuff, I needed to carry legal papers) anyway...on ONE side of the plane it fits in wheels facing windows/ handle facing aisle, on the OTHER side of the plane it does not fit that way, has to go in sideways. Matter of fact the flight attendants specifically announced that after a LOT of people were loudly voicing their opinion that people were not putting their carry-ons in the right way...so there are certain types of aircraft ,( and I had 6 flights in 3 months and this happend 3 of them) that one side of the plane has less overhead space than the other. I was on Airtran.

That happened on my AirTran flight home from Ft Lauderdale last month. It was a smallish plane....seating was 2 and 3, which makes the overhead above the 2 seats too small for wheels in storage. My carryon bag is just the right size for overhead bin storage...unless it's above 2 seats. Then it has to go in sideways. But, the plane was only about 2/3 full, so it wasn't an issue. But, the FA did announce that those with larger bags may want to put them in the overheads across the aisle if they were seated on the right side of the plane.

 

[Lewisc]

Different airlines have different size limits for carry on bags. The term "regulation bag" is generally a term given by luggage companies, in that context it has no meaning.

Jet Blue's maximum size is 26” l (66 cm) x 18” w (45.72 cm) x 12” h (30.48 cm). Frontier's maximum size is 9.5" height + 15.5" width + 24" length.

Bags that big generally only fit in the bin lengthwise.

It's rude to attack passengers who bring bags that only fit lengthwise, without knowing if the airline permits bags of that size.

Just because posters on an internet board,or frequent fliers, claim a carryon bag must fit wheel in (or wheels out) doesn't mean it's true.

The OP worded his post in a way that generates support. I have no way of knowing how rude the other passenger was.

The OP said there wasn't enough room in the bins for all the carryon bags. Every Time I've been on such a flight the FA requested passengers put any bag that will fit under the seat in front of them. The OP didn't do this. Would the OP have been happy if the other passenger handed him a bag and said something like this should go under the seat in front of you. Should we be proud of the passenger handed the OP his bag? I don't know if the FA made that kind of announcement . The OP talked about "our bin". Bins are generally not assigned to specific seats. There is no reason why the OP couldn't have put their bags in another bin. Let the FA deal with the issue.

Posters in this thread are assuming the passengers bag exceeds Frontier's maximum size limit for carryon bags. That's probably not accurate.

Passengers who bring a bag larger then permitted by the airline are rude. Passengers who try to enforce their own rules are rude.

The posters who agreed with the OP. Would your answer be different if the bag in question was within Frontier's limits? Assume the FA asked bags be stowed wheels in but didn't specifically ban legal bags that don't fit that way? Assume the FA only requested gate checking those bags? Assume the FA also asked passengers to put all bags that fit under the seat in front of you.

 

[darrengs]

Based on what I read on this board the overhead bins need to be eliminated. Most people state they can fit what they need in a bag designed to fit under their seat and by eliminating the bins:

- Loading and unloading would be quicker so faster turnaround.
- Less weight so less fuel
- Less maintenance so less money

 

[Lewisc]

Based on what I read on this board the overhead bins need to be eliminated. Most people state they can fit what they need in a bag designed to fit under their seat and by eliminating the bins:

- Loading and unloading would be quicker so faster turnaround.
- Less weight so less fuel
- Less maintenance so less money

Kind of what Spirit is doing. Charging more for a bin bag then checking a bag or two should reduce the number of passengers with bin bags.

 

[darrengs]

Kind of what Spirit is doing. Charging more for a bin bag then checking a bag or two should reduce the number of passengers with bin bags.

No, I mean eliminated altogether.

 

[Had2stopLurking]

Different airlines have different size limits for carry on bags. The term "regulation bag" is generally a term given by luggage companies, in that context it has no meaning.

Jet Blue's maximum size is 26” l (66 cm) x 18” w (45.72 cm) x 12” h (30.48 cm). Frontier's maximum size is 9.5" height + 15.5" width + 24" length.

Bags that big generally only fit in the bin lengthwise.

It's rude to attack passengers who bring bags that only fit lengthwise, without knowing if the airline permits bags of that size.

Just because posters on an internet board,or frequent fliers, claim a carryon bag must fit wheel in (or wheels out) doesn't mean it's true.

The OP worded his post in a way that generates support. I have no way of knowing how rude the other passenger was.

The OP said there wasn't enough room in the bins for all the carryon bags. Every Time I've been on such a flight the FA requested passengers put any bag that will fit under the seat in front of them. The OP didn't do this. Would the OP have been happy if the other passenger handed him a bag and said something like this should go under the seat in front of you. Should we be proud of the passenger handed the OP his bag? I don't know if the FA made that kind of announcement . The OP talked about "our bin". Bins are generally not assigned to specific seats. There is no reason why the OP couldn't have put their bags in another bin. Let the FA deal with the issue.

Posters in this thread are assuming the passengers bag exceeds Frontier's maximum size limit for carryon bags. That's probably not accurate.

Passengers who bring a bag larger then permitted by the airline are rude. Passengers who try to enforce their own rules are rude.

The posters who agreed with the OP. Would your answer be different if the bag in question was within Frontier's limits? Assume the FA asked bags be stowed wheels in but didn't specifically ban legal bags that don't fit that way? Assume the FA only requested gate checking those bags? Assume the FA also asked passengers to put all bags that fit under the seat in front of you.

I guess we can agree to disagree, but, in the end, I wasn't the one who had to gate check my bag, so you can figure out for yourself who was correct in this situation.

Like I previously posted, yes, I could have put one of our carry ons under the seat in front of me, and I would have had the guy not copped an attitude and started cussing at me at the sound of "oh, both of our bags won't fit up there with that one sideways" (general statement to my husband). His entitled attitude got his bag checked and he had to wait for it at the airport carousel. Had he just been nice, I would have been happy to work with him.

Cussing people out and acting entitled because you THINK it fits restrictions doesn't fly with people with a backbone.

Also, why does someone in row 5 need to put their bag above row 2 when the bins above them are empty? So I should have to hold up the plane unloading to go back and get my carry on because someone 3 rows back thought it was more convenient for THEM to use up the bin space above our seats when theirs was empty?

I've never flown airtran, so haven't dealt with the 2 3 thing with bins (bins larger on one side). I can't imagine having to deal with that. I feel for people that have to wrestle with that!!!!

 

[ancestry]

Based on what I read on this board the overhead bins need to be eliminated. Most people state they can fit what they need in a bag designed to fit under their seat and by eliminating the bins:

- Loading and unloading would be quicker so faster turnaround.
- Less weight so less fuel
- Less maintenance so less money

I wouldn't be able to fly if they did this. I need to be able to stretch my legs out under the seat in front of me. I am very tall and mainly all legs. If the person in front of me reclines their seat I can not sit with my knees bent. I HAVE to extend my legs under the seat in front as when seated with my knees bent (normal seated position) my knees literally touch the back of the seat in front of me.

 

[LidoDeck]

The posters who agreed with the OP. Would your answer be different if the bag in question was within Frontier's limits? Assume the FA asked bags be stowed wheels in but didn't specifically ban legal bags that don't fit that way? Assume the FA only requested gate checking those bags? Assume the FA also asked passengers to put all bags that fit under the seat in front of you.

No. No. No. No.

If the other passenger had been apologetic for hogging the space designed for multiple bags, perhaps I would have felt differently. It is only reasonable for passengers to use only the space allocated to them (just like large people whose body rolls into my seat space). The "gentleman" was way out of line (based on OPs presentation of the event) and got what he deserved. Well, actually he probably got better than he deserved.

 

[Lewisc]

No. No. No. No.

If the other passenger had been apologetic for hogging the space designed for multiple bags, perhaps I would have felt differently. Itd.

You're wrong. Airlines like Frontier and JetBlue allow passengers to bring bags that only fit in the bin lengthwise. Posters may think those people are hogging space. Airline rules suggest they are making maximum use of their legal carryon allowance.

It's not up to passengers to enforce airline rules. The OP was wrong to tamper with another passengers bag. Rude in positioning the other passengers bag in a way that prevented the bin from closing. The OP provoked a fight and the other passenger reacted inappropriately.

 

[Kate716]

Also, why does someone in row 5 need to put their bag above row 2 when the bins above them are empty? So I should have to hold up the plane unloading to go back and get my carry on because someone 3 rows back thought it was more convenient for THEM to use up the bin space above our seats when theirs was empty?

Amen! It makes me crazy when people put their bags 10+ rows ahead of where they are sitting. That just shouldn't be allowed!

 

[goofy4tink]

A few thoughts....
was the OP correct? Maybe. Wrong? Maybe again. If that had been me, I would have just put my other bag across the aisle. If someone had said something, I would have pointed to the larger bag, taking up 2/3 of the bin and said that it belonged to 'that gentleman over there' and been done with it. The FA could move the larger bag to a space where the gentleman was seated.
I don't think anyone should be putting their bags in an overhead that isn't over 'their' head..it's rude to put a bag in the bin at the front of the plane if you aren't seated there.

On the other hand, I have moved someone else's bag down so as to fit mine in. And the thing that was annoying was that it was a person sitting several rows behind me..and those bins were all open. So, I wasn't sure why he had to put his bag in my overhead bin, but he did. At least there was plenty of room for my bag.

Do I think they should do away with overhead bins? No. When I pack for just a few days, I use carryon only. And I defy anyone to board more quickly than I do, with that bag....walk quickly down the aisle, get to my seat, immediatly stow that bag in the bin directly over my head (wheels in unless its over a row of two seats) and plop myself down in my seat. Meanwhile, those around me are still dithering around, trying to get settled. I would hate to be penalized by not being able to do my carryon bag because others can't handle it. BUT.....I also wouldn't have a huge issue paying $10 to take that overhead bin bag on with me either..which does not make me very popular. I still think they should charge for that overhead bin bag but give you one free checked bag...just makes sense. It's not outrageous to have to pay for convenience..and that's what a carryon bag is. Checking a bag is not a convenience..it's a normal part of travel.

 

[keishashadow]

Maximum size for bin bags is of 9.5" height + 15.5" width + 24" length. (Frontier Airlines) It's entirely possible a bag which is legal sized will only fit in the bin lengthwise. Airlines which want to enforce wheels in (or wheels out) generally limit length to 21" or 22".

IDid the GA/FA make an announcement requiring bags be placed in the bin wheels in?

Sometimes the problem is with the airline and not with passengers. Spirit's current max for bin bags is 24 inches by 16 inches by 12 inches. August 1 the maximum is being reduced to 22 inches by 18 inches by 10 inches. I understand the reduced maximums should ensure bags that only fit lengthwise are no longer legal.

i must've been listening to my ipod, never heard any announcements on multiple AT or SWA re carryon bags being loaded wheels 1st

im slightly over (1 inch) in width on a non-wheeled garment bag (yet several inches under overall allowable dimensions). I sent 2 emails to AT asking if it'd work, no replystill on fence as to whether im dragging it along. Hate to check it as it has formal cruisewear & i've had several bags go lost on AT in the past, don't want to be scrambling for clothes on the cruise.

so the current protocol is if ur carryon won't fit, or the FA's decide it has to go u check it free? no wonder so many drag oversized bags along & take a chance, saves the $15 bag fee.

btw, im another one when flying for a 3 - 4 day trips, a carryon bag is ample for disney trip...i think the more times u do a repeat visit, the lighter u pack.