Justin Timberlake- acting like a celeb on Dumbo

[lisajl]

Disneyaggie, Thanks for that info.
It would be extremely difficult to keep someone from taking a photo or video. I am sure there were many other videos going that Justin did not even see.

I still feel bad for the person that he yelled at.

 

[disneyaggie]

I feel bad for the guy, too.

 

[Geoff_M]

I never heard that one. How can that be? I studied journalism law (including photography), and to the best of my knowledge, taking pictures is such place is considered public. If you have any professional knowledge of what you said, I would be interested in how WDW would be considered "not public". I always like to learn something. Thanks for your information.

People are mixing two different legal issues here.

1) Is WDW a private facility, and as such can they legally prohibit photography on their property?

2) Do you have a legal right to take a person's picture at WDW?

The answer to #1 is "Yes, you bet they can." Legally, WDW is private property and they can legally ask you to leave for any reason they wish. This could include failure to observe requested prohibitions against photography. Is it likely? No, but can they do it... sure! Just like you can be asked to leave for other "legal" behaviors as continual line-cutting.

Want a local example of this? Go to your local mall with your camera and want around taking pictures. Odds are after a while mall security will ask what you're doing and ask you to stop. If you refuse, you'll likely be declared a "trespasser" and removed from the property. I know of photographers that this has happened to. Even though you can legally take pictures of shoppers out in "public" at the mall... the owner of the property can have you removed for doing so.

Number 2 is a little trickier. There are a number of factors to consider... but the biggest one is "What are you going to do with the photo?" If it's for private non-commercial use, then it's safe to say that you're free to snap away without fear of being sued by your subject. The courts would recognize that you lose some of your right to privacy when you visit a "public" place such as Disney. But... excercising this right could cause you to be ejected from WDW if you violate their wishes on the matter.

However, if you intend to use it for commerical use, then it's a different story. First off, you'd need Disney's permission to use photos taken on their property or use images of things they consider "proprietory" such as Cindy's castle or Mickey Mouse. Secondly, you'd need a model release from the subjects in the photo. The only exception to needing a model release would be in the case of when someone is just a "face in the crowd."

In the case of celebs, the courts have held that such persons do not quite have the same right to privacy as John Q Public. Sure you still cannot commercially exploit their image without permission or trespass to take their picture, but some things are fair game with them that wouldn't be for you or me. Case in point was several years ago when an "adult" magazine published a "parody" (marked as such in the magazine) of Jerry Falwell and accused him, amoung other things, of having "improper relations" with his mother. Falwell sued and lost because the courts held that his fame made him fair game for parody.

 

[whjoyjr]

And Geoff_M summed up what I was trying to get at.

As asked upthread, what CAN'T you videotape at Disney? First one that comes to mind is Rock-N-Rollercoaster? I saw a CM in July ask a guest to hand over his camcorder before sending the car into launch position. The guest was in the front car, with a camcorder in his hands. The CM announced that taping was NOT allowed.

 

[CamColt]

Whjoyjr, announcements are made about no videotaping at Universe of Energy & Carroussel of Progress. They used to say it in Cranium Command too. Those are a few I can think of off the top of my head, but Im sure there are more.

 

[peterpa]

Maybe he should have "rented out" the Magic Kingdom for an evening so he wouln't be bothered!@

Give me a brake! If you go to the most public place in the world, expect a little attention if you are a celeb!

 

[jann1033]

lol...while I pity anyone, famous or not , who might have to worry about security due to stalkers or what ever, but I DO get a kick out of some who wants to be noticed and get the perks but not pay the price! go without the entourage and make up (I've seen photos of C. Diaz sans makeup...would never recoginze her, imagine that applies to most celebs when they don't have their makeup artists in tow!) and see how many people approach them ...or maybe that is what they are really afraid of!

 

[CookieGVB]

I'd be willing to bet I have several dozen people in my vacation videos who didn't intend to be on them.

If someone's following you all over the park, or interrupting your meal in a restaurant, I can see the deal with becoming impatient and speaking up. But to actually think that nobody would snap a picture or take a video while he was outside in a public place, drawing attention by going in the exit with a bunch of bodyguards, is overly optimistic of him.

 

[MinnieM21]

That's the price you pay for being a celebrity. What did he expect, that people weren't going to take his picture. Hello Justin Timberlake! You're in WALT DISNEY WORLD, and what time of the year are you there Justin? In the SUMMER, a very crowded time to go. If he doesn't want the attention, then don't go to WDW in the summer and don't even go at all if you have a problem with the attention.

 

[FatCow]

Originally posted by MinnieM21
If he doesn't want the attention, then don't go to WDW in the summer.

I'm not defending JT, but didn't I just typed that most recording artists only have their break during the summer time?

 

[MinnieM21]

Originally posted by FatCow
I'm not defending JT, but didn't I just typed that most recording artists only have their break during the summer time?

Oops, sorry I missed that part of your post.

But yeah, he could of acted a little bit nicer.

 

[robertsmom]

Originally posted by DisneySuperGen
I don't know if anyone else said this but honestly, to the person asking me to walk in Timberlakes shoes for a mile, I bet that'd be the most comfortable mile i'd ever walk...his shoes have got to be more comfortable than my 99 cent sandals from walmart

Just a thought.

LOL! I was thinking the same thing when I read that!

 

[dopeyfanatic]

The fact that anyone would say he had the right to tell the man not to video tape would be outrageous. I certainly would have given my two cents if I was nearby. He needs to get over himself. If people didn't videotape him and take huis pictures, he wouldn't have the ability to go WDW, escorted, without waiting in lines, and probably staying in a fancy suite. I hate it when celebrities say they want to be private. If you do, don't go to WDW. Go to some secluded island or something. Or quit your job! But would they give up the money, no! So get use to people wanting pictures and GET OVER IT! It's not going to kill you if it ends up in a magazine anyways. If they make up lies, which they normally do, a lot of people know they're bull. And more importantly, you do. I mean please, what crap could they have made up about him in WDW??!!

 

[dopeyfanatic]

Originally posted by whjoyjr
And Geoff_M summed up what I was trying to get at.

As asked upthread, what CAN'T you videotape at Disney? First one that comes to mind is Rock-N-Rollercoaster? I saw a CM in July ask a guest to hand over his camcorder before sending the car into launch position. The guest was in the front car, with a camcorder in his hands. The CM announced that taping was NOT allowed.

Telling someone they can't tape inside a ride is different than telling them they can't take pictures of people. You can take a picture of anyone you want (as long as you're in a public place, which WDW is...), but you can't publish it without their permission.

 

[robertsmom]

Just a little story......about ten years ago, I went to a Reba McEntire concert at Six Flags Over Texas. My friend and I had truly horrible seats, (she looked like a red headed ant) but we still had a blast, singing along with the songs and just having fun. After the concert, we stayed to buy some souveniers and were among the last people to head out of the park. As we were walking along, who should come driving by in a golf cart on her way out but Reba herself. My friend and I were a bit starstruck, but called out "Hi Reba" and waved. She waved back and had her driver stop while she asked us if we enjoyed the concert. We said "yes, we had a great time" and then she let us take a picture before she left. Just a couple minutes of her time, but I have always and probably will always remember that. Perhaps JT should stop and think about the fact that the kids who saw him act that way may always remember it.

Just my 2 cents.....

 

[disneyaggie]

Hi robertsmom! I totally believe your story about Reba. She appears to be so incredible and down to earth. I am thrilled you had such an opportunity.

So, let's look at the facts: Reba is a very accomplished singer, and has been for most likely more years than JT has walked this Earth, she has a hit TV series and, to the best of my recollection, she is a published author!

On the other hand, JT sings (though my personal opinion would not call it that) and exposes Janet Jackson's breast to millions of television viewers, including children!

And he thinks he is "so special" ? ? ? I don't!

To me the real celebrities are those who don't think they are!

 

[DisneyMomx7]

It's amazing how some people act. We were at GF recently and spotted Dr. J with his family. Of course we didn't bother him and nobody else did either, but then again he wasn't running around with cast members scurrying for him. He was at the pool and pool bar and acted just like everyone else. The only concession we saw was that when they were ready to leave they had a golf cart there to drive him back. Just goes to show the difference between a gentleman and a jerk.

 

[jimmytammy]

The world of a celeb is fickled. In a few more yrs(or maybe sooner) ol' Justin will be wishin' that guy would still want to shoot his picture.

He could have handled it with more dignity. JMO

 

[Geoff_M]

You can take a picture of anyone you want (as long as you're in a public place, which WDW is...), but you can't publish it without their permission.

Actually, that's not correct either. "Editorial use" use (newspapers, magazines, web sites, periodicals, books, etc.) are covered under "fair use" rules within US copyright law and does not require the subject's permission to use. However, if I wanted to sell prints, posters, T-shirts, etc. or use your image as part of an ad campaign I would then first need your permission to use the image. The difference is that these such uses would be considered "commercial use".

 

[ZuZugal]

If JT had children of his own and had to spend even 10 minutes in the Dumbo line trying to keep a 19 mo happy before the ride, he would think twice about ever "cutting" in line and making himself so much more important than we ordinary people who (only some of us now) buy his records or go to his concerts.

It would be the actions of a spoiled brat to cut in line in front of tired and hot children, not a gentleman. Hope his mother is proud.