Just back - those who like FP+ are drinking the Kool Aid.

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I have been over 30+ times. I've been during spring break and July 4 and other busy times. We normally have a plan to get there at opening and hit as many rides as poss until it just gets too crowded. We went with another family that couldn't ever manage to get there at RD, but each day we were there by 10 am. The lines were INSANE. This is definitely due to FP+. I have seen crowds like this before. But to have 60 min waits for Safari, Buzz, Pirates, etc by 10 am makes the RD to lunch time commando way of doing this IMPOSSIBLE. I don't like FP+. We picked up our tickets at will call so I didn't have to pay to have them shipped to me. That was another 30 min line. Then to get FP+ inside the park there was yet another 30-45min line to then go stand in another line at God only know what time. WHY does this make sense to anyone? FP- wasn't broken. They had 5-7 kiosks at each ride for FP- and now they might have 7 total kiosks to do them ALL. AND now the wifi is awful. So many people on it that we couldn't even get the wait times app to work. Disney - PLEASE DROP THIS - it is awful. This will definitely reduce or eliminate our visits. They made a lot of $$ off my family as we like to stay in the nicer resorts. How anyone cannot connect the wait times and the FP+ I do not know. Trust me, I saw parts of the Safari line that I didn't even know existed. I've been on it like 15 times. ugh I want a do over.

That's weird that our experiences with FP+ are so different. We toured with FP+ in January and it was fabulous. Lines were fairly short and we were able to hit headliners in mid-late afternoon. I loved how FP+ made our trip run so smoothly.

Or, just possibly, it's because I visited during one of the slowest times of the year, and you visited during one of the busiest weeks of the year (and couldn't be bothered to make it to RD). Either of us could chalk it up to FP+, but our respective vacations were undoubtedly more influenced by crowd levels and smart touring than the actual FP+ system.
 
Same here... I prefer crystal light because it's has no calories. But I do indulge in pixie dust because it smells like cotton candy and I like the way it makes me feel :hippie: ;)

Crystal Light is good... I wouldn't mind a "Grey Goose FP+ Kool-Aid Slushy", though... maybe an idea for the next F&W Festival... ;)
 
to my despair I haven't been to the World in over 3 years (job, money situation and now I am on disability). When I first heard of the latest Fast Pass Plus I was like "What in the world is Disney trying to do and I will never learn this new system." I have been researching it a lot and on their own website they do a great job of explaining what it is and how you obtain the 3 passes a day. Seems pretty self explanatory to me. I have no trip planned in the near future: waiting on having knee surgery first (someday). When I do go to my favorite place in the world I will have fun with this new experience Disney is offering. Only because I have researched and became familiar with their new system

GOOD LUCK Everyone:)
 
The OP admits in the first paragraph that they are a semi-frequent visitor used to commando touring, riding as many rides as possible, and possibly used FP- to pull as many FP as they could in any given day.

It's also noted that they had to use the FP kiosks. This was a mess. It will likely be somewhat alleviated next week when offsite guests are able to book ahead. Plus they arrived at the parks around 10 AM, during spring break. The first rule for riding as much as you can and having the shortest lines has always been, be there when the park opens. It's no different now.

They also state that they will not be back, or at least not much. That is their choice. They did have some bad timing to be offsite (if they were offsite, but there isn't much other reason now to use the kiosks - although they did pick up the tickets at the park, so they couldn't prebook, and may not have had an app. When all those offsiters get out of the kiosk lines they will get shorter.)

If you're like the OP, you will not like the new system. Doesn't mean everyone will hate it. the thread title was apparently an attempt to take out frustration, but "I think FP+ sucks" would have worked too. It's not that the responsers are slapping the OP in the face for not liking FP+. It's that she started her thread title with a slap at those who DO like it.
 

So you were able to use FP+ when FP- was still operating. I can't think of anyone in the DIS universe who would not consider that situation to be stellar! :thumbsup2

Actually, we didn't use FP- more than three times the entire trip, and we were quite conscious of the fact that it was going away soon. We discussed each time whether we were using the FP- because we needed it, or just because it was there. In each case, we came to the conclusion that the absence of that particular FP- ticket wouldn't have a significant impact on our trip.

While we were down there, we also spent some time figuring out the tiering and coming up with a workable plan to get in Soarin', TestTrack and Maelstrom every day, without using FP-, and then we tested our plan.

Worked out well!

Roughly, our plan looks like this (assuming we're using our FP+ in the morning, which we sometimes do when our afternoon park is Animal Kingdom, and taking into account variations in FP+ times):

1. Arrive at Rope drop, ride Test Track. Possibly ride it twice, using the Single Rider line for the second go around.

2. Use a FP+ for Soarin'.

3. Return to Test Track for another ride, this time using the Single Rider Line.

4. If it's not about 10:45 yet, ride pretty much anything else. If it IS 10:45 (Test Track can sometimes be a time eater - with the design process, you can't get through in less than 20 minutes, even if it's a walk on.) then head up to the World Showcase to ride Maelstrom at 11am sharp, followed by the Mexico ride. Don't be put off by the line in Norway. It'll move fast once they open the doors and start loading boats. ( Not sure how the line for the Princesses will affect this step, but if it turns out their family members have all decided the same thing, then skip Maelstrom. It's not a vacation-ruiner.)

5. After that, have lunch and ride anything with a short line. Use the last two FP+. It's all good!

If we hit any snags, I have full confidence in our ability to adapt, and come up with an even better plan.


Don't take the analogy too literally. I don't expect any battered FP user shelters to spring up, although if I were Universal I'd keep an eye on the prospect.

But when comparing system integrity to personal integrity, I'm not talking about styles of touring as much as whether system problems are encountered or not. Some people are getting hosed by bad WiFi, down systems and data base corruption when they can't make changes or their park & resort data vanishes from the system. Some people are experiencing smooth as silk queue management days (probably better to say hours since it varies wildly) and some are standing in long lines all day watching empty ride vehicles pass by because the CMs can't manage the queues well. That doesn't get invalidated by someone else saying "it worked great for me". When a system suffers integrity problems it will eventually burn all users.

Or, the kinks will be worked out and the fewer users will get burned as the system moves forward.
 
Now we're talking. Better make it a pitcher and a Casablanca coffee from Morocco so I can stay awake for the rest of the story.
 
Its beyond me why anyone would like fast pass + except if you do not like to walk or if you hate waking up before 10 am. I can understand liking the promise of fast pass + but that promise will never come to fruition. By the time Disney hammers out the tech issues the technology will be outdated and very useless.
 
Actually, we didn't use FP- more than three times the entire trip, and we were quite conscious of the fact that it was going away soon. We discussed each time whether we were using the FP- because we needed it, or just because it was there. In each case, we came to the conclusion that the absence of that particular FP- ticket wouldn't have a significant impact on our trip.

While we were down there, we also spent some time figuring out the tiering and coming up with a workable plan to get in Soarin', TestTrack and Maelstrom every day, without using FP-, and then we tested our plan.

Worked out well!

Roughly, our plan looks like this (assuming we're using our FP+ in the morning, which we sometimes do when our afternoon park is Animal Kingdom, and taking into account variations in FP+ times):

1. Arrive at Rope drop, ride Test Track. Possibly ride it twice, using the Single Rider line for the second go around.

2. Use a FP+ for Soarin'.

3. Return to Test Track for another ride, this time using the Single Rider Line.

4. If it's not about 10:45 yet, ride pretty much anything else. If it IS 10:45 (Test Track can sometimes be a time eater - with the design process, you can't get through in less than 20 minutes, even if it's a walk on.) then head up to the World Showcase to ride Maelstrom at 11am sharp, followed by the Mexico ride. Don't be put off by the line in Norway. It'll move fast once they open the doors and start loading boats.

5. After that, have lunch and ride anything with a short line. Use the last two FP+. It's all good!

If we hit any snags, I have full confidence in our ability to adapt, and come up with an even better plan.

That is exactly how we will tour Epcot as well. :)

I wasn't really thinking about whether you used FP- but more about how it was still in play, which would render a true evaluation of the new FP+ system incomplete.

also, i think FP+'s biggest impact will be felt in MK, and the least in AK and to a lesser extent Epcot. I think DHS is perfectly suited to FP+ in its current setup. (lots of shows, reasonable tiering, proper amount of headliners vs secondary rides) the big concern for me is the many secondary rides at MK now having much longer waits for standby. but i digress!
 
It really was meant as a joke not an insult. I am just perplexed how this system can work for anyone. Once you do your reserved 3 FP+ rides - what do you do? Leave? Cause you cannot ride anything else. Unless you want to stand in a 60 min line. And what about the first timers? They know very little about the ins and outs of how to do this. Us seasoned veterans are getting frustrated with this. I predict that the first timers will go, get frustrated that they can only do like 3 rides a day and not come back. For this kind of money, few will. Yes, admittedly, we didn't get there on time. However, as I stated before, we've been many times during many busy seasons and have never seen lines like this. I cannot imagine that this is solely due to the number of visitors. I truly think this is a very flawed system.
 
Once you do your reserved 3 FP+ rides - what do you do? Leave? Cause you cannot ride anything else.

Incorrect as far as my experience in mid March. I had fp for the parade and wishes and HM. I rode the peoplemover twice, saw Monsters Inc, rode Little Mermaid and saw Belle's Enchanted Tales (this was not a full day. Saw the parade, went to Epcot for dinner and concert, returned about 2 hours before Wishes and did all that plus the Haunted Mansion FP - I only picked HM because it's my favorite ride - before closing at midnight. The longest I waited was for Monsters Inc because I hit it right when they closed the doors on the previous group. Could be different now because it's deeper into spring break and more guests are there.

I know someone will come in and say "Those aren't good rides!!" Both Splash and Space were closed. I would have probably had to wait for Big Thunder. The app was showing 10 minutes for Pirates but it was all the way across the park so I went to see Belle instead because she didn't have a line. But at least on March 16 it wasn't correct to say "you can do your three fastpasses, and nothing else."
 
That is exactly how we will tour Epcot as well. :)

I wasn't really thinking about whether you used FP- but more about how it was still in play, which would render a true evaluation of the new FP+ system incomplete.

also, i think FP+'s biggest impact will be felt in MK, and the least in AK and to a lesser extent Epcot. I think DHS is perfectly suited to FP+ in its current setup. (lots of shows, reasonable tiering, proper amount of headliners vs secondary rides) the big concern for me is the many secondary rides at MK now having much longer waits for standby. but i digress!

Fair point!

It's hard to render any kind of true evaluation at this point. :goodvibes

I'll really excited about our next trip (just 8 days away!). I love playing with new systems and new ways of doing things.

Heck, I'm even looking forward to seeing the work they're doing on the moat in the Magic Kingdom.

The only thing I'm a wee bit sad about is that it looks like I'll miss out on any soft opens for the Mine Ride. Our next trip after this one will probably be December 2015. Oh well, it's still awesome being in the Magic Kingdom!

We just missed Everest the first time, too, and it was three years before we got to ride it, so it could be worse. :thumbsup2
 
It really was meant as a joke not an insult. I am just perplexed how this system can work for anyone. Once you do your reserved 3 FP+ rides - what do you do? Leave?

It works for us (2 adults, no kids) since we only do a few attractions at each park. It allows us to ride TSMM and Soarin' without needing to be at the park when it opens. If there is something else we want to ride and the posted wait time is less than an hour, we might wait in line.
 
Except some people DO make it work and they definitely ride more than just their 3 FP rides.

I just can't fathom why some people think it's not possible for people to actually like it just because they don't. Everyone tours differently. Goes to the parks at different times of the year. Nobody is the same. Nobody is going to have the same results. It's okay if you don't like it, nobody is trying to change your mind. (At least, I'm not)
 
Fair point!

It's hard to render any kind of true evaluation at this point. :goodvibes

I'll really excited about our next trip (just 8 days away!). I love playing with new systems and new ways of doing things.

Heck, I'm even looking forward to seeing the work they're doing on the moat in the Magic Kingdom.

The only thing I'm a wee bit sad about is that it looks like I'll miss out on any soft opens for the Mine Ride. Our next trip after this one will probably be December 2015. Oh well, it's still awesome being in the Magic Kingdom!

We just missed Everest the first time, too, and it was three years before we got to ride it, so it could be worse. :thumbsup2

Have a great time!!!

And please let us know how the trip went. pixiedust:
 
It really was meant as a joke not an insult. I am just perplexed how this system can work for anyone. Once you do your reserved 3 FP+ rides - what do you do? Leave? Cause you cannot ride anything else. Unless you want to stand in a 60 min line. And what about the first timers? They know very little about the ins and outs of how to do this. Us seasoned veterans are getting frustrated with this. I predict that the first timers will go, get frustrated that they can only do like 3 rides a day and not come back. For this kind of money, few will. Yes, admittedly, we didn't get there on time. However, as I stated before, we've been many times during many busy seasons and have never seen lines like this. I cannot imagine that this is solely due to the number of visitors. I truly think this is a very flawed system.

This has not been my experience at all.

Though, to be fair, I enjoy almost all of Disney's rides and shows, so maybe I'm easy to please. :goodvibes

But I will keep tabs on what we ride and when, and how long we wait, when we fly down in eight days.
 
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