just back/ about smoking

[Chuck S]

todsue, how could DVC possibly "guarantee" you a non-smoking room unless the entire resort is smoke-free. Hotels that "guarantee" non-smoking rooms rely on underbooking and cancellations to be able to do so. Given the occupany rates at DVC resorts, and the lack of last minute cancellations, if a non-smoking room should go down unexpectedly for emergency rehab if damage is cause by a non-smoker, or a plumbing problem, or a fire, or whatever...what would you expect them to do? Rooms go out of service. And the same could be said for smokers, why can't they guarantee a smoking room. You hear a lot about smokers getting stuck in a non-smoking room, too. Only non-smokers seem to feel more "righteous" in their right NOT to smoke. Courtesy is a two way street, isn't it?

 

[todsue99]

Chuck the problem with what you are saying in us non-smokers being "righteous" is when I get a smoking room it stinks and I don't like it. When the smokers gets a non-smoking room he/she smokes in it making that stink. As I have read on this board that some people at least use the balcony to smoke in the non-smoking rooms. Just for the record that doesn't help because most people leave the door open and guess where that smoke goes. You guessed it. By me not choosing to does not harm you in anyway. Your choice to smoke can harm me in many ways....cost to fumigate the room, health reasons and so on. So where you get off saying we are righteous is not fair at all.

Courtesy is a two way street, isn't it?

Yes it is. I didn't say I wanted people to stop smoking in casinos and bars. I understand that they need to make a living also and the schools need the money. I just think that the majority of smokers are very in considerate. When you at a restraunt, do you check to see where the smoke is blowing and if the people are eating next to you when you are doing so? I find it hard to believe that most do.

 

[Pootle]

From Chuck S: 'Only non-smokers seem to feel more "righteous" in their right NOT to smoke. Courtesy is a two way street, isn't it?'


Come on now, this isn't fair! It isn't to do with being righteous or even courtesy - I'm sure that for most reasonable non-smoking people, the issue with ending up in a smoking room for their vacation is that it smells - and it is not easy to get rid of that smell from the room. No amount of spray or fresh air is going to remove that smell from the room if it is deeply embedded. A lingering stale cigarette smell would certainly kill off my enjoyment of being in the room.

Fortunately, it hasn't happened to me at Disney but being on balconies whilst others are smoking nearby has. I'm not worried that this bit of exposure to smoke is going to hasten my demise but I do find the smell so unpleasant that I go in and leave the scene. Maybe that's my bit of courtesy done then?

 

[Chuck S]

Again, todsue, courtesy is a two way street, smokers should not smoke on a balcony and leave the door open. To suggest that MOST smokers do this if placed in a non-smoking room is not accurate. Occasionally, yes, as a matter of routine, I doubt it. Even so, you have not addressed the issue of "guarantees" for smoking/non-smoking rooms. If being stuck in a smoking room is unpleasent for you, and want a non-smoking room guarantee, should smokers also have that same right?

Oh, BTW, I do NOT smoke, so when I called non-smokers "righteous", I should have qualified by using the word some non-smokers. however I noticed you also lumped all smokers together in your statements.

If you'd read this entire thread, you'd see it is about BANNING smoking entirely at DVC resorts.

 

[todsue99]

Oh, BTW, I do NOT smoke, so when I called non-smokers "righteous", I should have qualified by using the word some non-smokers. however I noticed you also lumped all smokers together in your statements.

If you'd read this entire thread, you'd see it is about BANNING smoking entirely at DVC resorts.

Chuck, just so you know I knew you were not a smoker from reading the rest of the thread and if you would read my statements over I have not lumped them all together only the inconsiderate ones. And just for the record this thread is about DVC putting all the smoking rooms down at one end of the hall. And yes I do believe smokers should get a smoking resevations guarentee that way they won't smoke in my room that is non-smoking.

My points are when I get a smoking room it stinks and I do not want it. When "inconsiderate" smokers get a non-smoking room they just smoke in it.

Me and you included being a non-smoker do not harm anyone in anyway by not smoking. People who do smoke do harm on themselves as well as others and if they would realize it they might be more consiserate. That is my point not jump all over every smokers out there.

 

[Chuck S]

But, what happens if you have a non-smoking (or smoking) room guarantee and a room goes out of service? Given the occupancy rates at DVC resorts there isn't a lot of wiggle room to re-assign rooms. Would you still have to be placed in room type you don't like? Should you be bumped up to the next higher size unit...possibly taking it away from another family that has a guaranteed reservation? There are no easy answers, are there? Certainly lumping the smoking rooms together is the best option in the hotel style resorts to try and isolate the odor as much as possible (ever have an elevator stop on "smoking floor" on its way to your destination), anyone that says the odor doesn't cling is wrong...but to say the odor itself is a health hazard is a stretch (unless you are allergic or otherwise abnormally sensitive). Otherwise it is unpleasent, but not particularly harmful. It is far more harmful to be on the road with a drunk, and yes, there are laws against drunk driving, but alcohol is much like tobacco, in that they are both legal drugs. The government banned alcohol once...we all know how well that worked.

 

[SHELL]

I have stayed at the Contempory and the Y&B Club on 2 occasions and had nonsmoking rooms that smelled terrible of smoke. I had to have them come and spray some stuff which ment that I had to vacate the room for 4 hours. I think that is totally unfair to nonsmokers. I have rented rental cars in Orlando that were nonsmoking that smelled of smoke. The state of FLA has banded smoking from restaurants I think they should also ban it from Hotels. Why should I be in a nonsmoking room next door to a smoking room and have the smell come through to my room (which has happened to me at the Contempory). I have nothing against smokers (both my parents and grandparents were heavy smokers all my childhood) but I think that in hotels and restaurants they should ban smoking. Having designated areas of the parks and hotels should be good enough. Just my opinion but I figured I would share it.

 

[todsue99]

But, what happens if you have a non-smoking (or smoking) room guarantee and a room goes out of service? Given the occupancy rates at DVC resorts there isn't a lot of wiggle room to re-assign rooms. Would you still have to be placed in room type you don't like? Should you be bumped up to the next higher size unit...possibly taking it away from another family that has a guaranteed reservation? There are no easy answers, are there?

Chuck, I totally agree that there are not easy answers, but I also think that Disney is trying by putting rooms at the end of the hall. And people were upset when they did this, because they think they can smoke and it doesn't effect other people. I was just trying to make a point that people who smoke do effect other people and are inconsiderate if they think otherwise. I work with people all the time that smoke and they just walk up to with a cigerette(sp?) in their hand and the smoke blows right in your face. I just wish smokers would realize it does bother other people and wish they would be a little more considerate.

Oh and by the way any time I am around smoke my sinuses get stuffed up. Health problem...maybe be not...annoying yes.

 

[3DisneyNUTS]

Why are non smokers righteous when stating that they do not want to be subject to this carcinogen? Again smoking is a CHOICE and it kills there is no defense that will make it ok in my mind to continue to allow smoking inside.

Chuck brings up great points but it just shows how flawed our government is and how tobacco companies still have major powers. I mean honestly what other company would be allowed to market something that is known to kill and not from abuse, just using it as it is intended?

I think the anger from smokers towards nonsmokers should be directed at the companies that sold you something knowingly that it was harmful and addictive. We just want to keep ourselves and our families safe.

Plus I would think an asthma suffer has more rights to complain and me accommodated to since they do not chose to be ill.

I mean this could go on forever I am bailing out of this one. Thanks so much for the debate. I honestly have taken into consideration everyone's opinion so thanks. I just want to go off and think happy thoughts now LOL. Maybe continue to worry about how I am going to overpack for the next trip

 

[LSchrow]

methinks there should be an entirely seperate resort just for "generally inconsiderate people" (smoking and non, who wear waaaay too much cologne, drink, curse, are noisy, and/or have wild banshee children).

sadly, that's probably where all the best parties would be! LOL


(jk, before any flamethrowers are pulled out of their holsters )

 

[todsue99]

3DisneyNUTS


Good luck.....it looks like you only have 198 days left. You will have a blast. It is time to start planning the next trip.

Nick, where is that flame throwing smile you have?.....hehehe.

 

[Nick@ VB+OKW]

Originally posted by todsue99
Nick, where is that flame throwing smile you have?....

Remember what I said..................."When all WDW resorts become non-smoking" you won't have any of these problems.

Remember this is Florida

not Alaska

.........smokers

can take a few steps

and smoke outside(not on balcony either) when all of WDW resorts go to

 

[todsue99]

I new you would come through with that one. Thanks Nick.

 

[BWVDee]

Originally posted by todsue99
.................SNIP
Now when I go into a bar or casino or what ever I know the majority of people smoke and I understand that and I fully expect to walk out of there smelling like some foul _______ (fill in the blank). Now that is my choice and trust me the first thing I do when I get home is take a shower.
Lets face it smoke from smoking gets everwhere and people smell when they are around smoke. Just try and be more considerate to us non-smokers. Please.

You go to a casino or bar, THE worst places for being completely surrounded by smoke and yet can not handle the smell of smoke that might possibly drift out into a hallway of a DVC resort?????
I am sorry but........Give me a break!
BTW, the rudest and most inconsiderate people I have ever been around in relation to smoking/non smoking issues, are by far the anti smokers! The vast majority of smokers that I have ever been around have always been very considerate; I can not say the same about many anti smoking fanatics I have run across.
BTW, I am the person who said I have never smelled smoke while walking down a hallway in either a smoking or non smoking building/hallway, etc. And I do not have a constant cold but do have asthma, which requires daily medication 2x a day, and amazing enough I never seem to have any of the huge problems with WDW rooms whether they are smoking or non smoking that many on this board claim they have. Personally I am thrilled there are so many anti smoking fanatics, it makes getting a DVC room much easier and much earlier; the fewer requests there are, the more it works to your advantage. Works for us!
One thing I find very interesting is how I have never, ever encountered such anti smoking fanatics in any other resort/hotel etc, anywhere--and we stay in a lot of different resorts and I work in a huge vacation destination and have worked in the hotel/motel industry; like what I've seen on these boards.

 

[Chuck S]

Well, I've certainly smelled smoke in hallways of Non-WDW/Non-DVC resorts. Always staying at OKW, we don't have any sort of problem there because it is so open air.

And I'm not doubting BWVDee (and we don't always agree ) Her statement "BTW, I am the person who said I have never smelled smoke while walking down a hallway in either a smoking or non smoking building/hallway, etc." says an awful lot about the quality of the ventilation systems in the enclosed hallway style WDW/DVC resorts, and the maintenance procedures they follow. We should ALL be happy we are DVC owners.

 

[todsue99]

Originally posted by BWVDee
You go to a casino or bar, THE worst places for being completed surrounded by smoke and yet can not handle the smell of smoke that might possibly drift out into a hallway of a DVC resort?????
Give me a break!
BTW, the rudest and most inconsiderate people I have ever been around in relation to smoking/non smoking issues, are by far the anti smokers! The vast majority of smokers that I have ever been around have always been very considerate; I can not say the same about many anti smoking fanatics I have run across.
BTW, I am the person who said I have never smelled smoke while walking down a hallway in either a smoking or non smoking building/hallway, etc. And I do not have a constant cold but do have asthma, which requires daily medication 2x a day, and amazing enough I never seem to have any of the huge problems with WDW rooms whether they are smoking or non smoking that many of this board claim they have. Personally I am thrilled there are so many anti smoking fanatics, it makes getting a DVC room much easier and much earlier; the fewer requests there are, the more it works to your advantage. Works for us!
One thing I find very interesting is how I have never, ever encountered such anti smoking fanatics in any other resort/hotel etc, anywhere--and we stay in a lot of different resorts and I work in a huge vacation destination and have worked in the hotel/motel industry; like what I've seen on these boards.

First off let me just say that I go into casinos and bars knowing full well that am going stink like crap when I come out of them. I personally do not like the fact that I stink when I come out of there and that is why a take a shower the instant I get home. I just choose to go to those places and I stink. I don not chose to walk down the hall of any Hotel and smell smoke. It is on the way to my room. Now if you seriously can sit there and tell me you have never smelled smoke going down a hall in all the Hotels you been it then you just grown accustumed to smelling the smoke or you personally already smell like smoke and don't notice it or just plain naive. As for all those other Hotels and resorts you stay in how many of them have discussion boards? Also, I am pretty sure the most Hotels will guarentee you a non-smoking room if requested.

You may think all of us non-smokers are rude and considerate only for the fact you could care less what we think. When you came across these anti-smoking fanactics did you have cigerette in your hand and the smoke was blowing right in their face? Yes, it is your right to smoke, but when you do you are effecting other peoples lives when you choose to do so. The sad part about it most smokers don't seem to realize that or could care less. That is the problem. When I don't smoke I have know effect on your life what so ever. I think more smokers should be more considerate plain and simple. And if you and your freinds are the considerate ones that what I have said doesn't really apply to you.

 

[CRSNDSNY]

Originally posted by Dean
In my case, I'd rather not go than get a smoking room no matter how much they "treated it".

me too

 

[Terry S]

BWVDee..... I did want to chime in here and mentioned that when I walk down the 4th floor hallway at BCV I definitely smell smoke in the hallway. Sometimes it is stronger than other times, but it is definitely there. As a matter of fact, I smelled it even before I realized that that was the "smoking corridor".

I wish smoking rooms were gauranteed. This would benefit the smokers and the non-smokers.

I also wanted to mentioned balconies. I do know that more than once my childern have been driven off of our balcony at BCV due to smokers on the balcony below. (Once it was a cigar) The kids love to hang out on the balcony and watch the alligator and turtles and also eat lunch out there. There is a drain in the middle of the balcony for water and the smoke comes right up through the drain. We have covered the drain and this helped somewhat.

 

[paults]

is everyone done. I started this thread as information on where they are putting the smoking rooms at BWV as I was told by a CM last week. Sorry it turned into a debate on smoking.

 

[Nick@ VB+OKW]

Originally posted by Terry S
BWVDee..... I did want to chime in here and mentioned that when I walk down the 4th floor hallway at BCV I definitely smell smoke in the hallway. Sometimes it is stronger than other times, but it is definitely there.