just back/ about smoking

[GAIL HAYDEN]

Originally posted by Nick@ VB+OKW
Gail
Thats exactly what I am referring to what Dean posted above. That will overide anything in our DVC contract.

Perhaps you are correct on that one, but, since FL is such a large tourist area, I doubt you will see it extended to Hotels, etc.

I also wonder how it could be implimented since these are considered vacation homes.

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

Originally posted by jaysue
As a non-smoker, I appreciate where DVC has grouped the smoking rooms together and they are at the end of a hall or extension or area - this way, we do not have pass by smoking areas on the way to our non-smoking room.

Sure there are people who are eating too much of the wrong food - their habit does not impose external costs on the environment like smoking does with 2nd hand smoke.

cheers
jaysue

Perhaps not in the enviornment, but, we do pay for the health care costs associated with the health risks.

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

Originally posted by 3DisneyNUTS
Maint may not go down but the money could be spent elsewhere. I just think smoking is a choice and a very harmful one at that. I would never support it to be PC or because it will deny someone a freedom. So we are off topic and have to agree to disagree. I just will not support something that kills. AND if I could be guarannteed a non smoking room for the next 50 years at DVC I would be grateful but that is wishful think. We should never be exposed to something that is killing people because it is someone's right to do so. But I am sorry for going off topic.

I personally would enjoy if WDW would go smoke free it has been a blessing here in NY.

A room that is dedicated as a smoking room poses NO health risk to you. so, what is the problem? Lots of things kill people, to support the elimination of EVERYTHING that kills people would have you living in a bubble. With the 5% smoking units allocated at each DVC resort, you are pretty much guaranteed a non smoking unit. Let people do what they want within the given rules. Unfortuantely, you are exposed on a daily basis to toxic fumes from automobiiles. NY is one of the worst. I am sure the smoking made every one feel a lot safer, unfortunately, they are not. And, btw, you can smoke in smoking designated rooms in any hotel in NY. It is everyone's privilidge to own and operate a vehicle and that does expose everyone to something that kills.

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

Originally posted by 3DisneyNUTS
Yes but alot of those things are out of our immediate control. Smoking is a choice. If Disney choses to go nonsmoking I will applaud it. I do not want my son to grow up with it still being a permitted choice. If more adults would admonish it (rather then be on the fence for wanting to PC about it) then maybe our kids would see it as being vile as well. Disney should take a stand against smoking in their resorts IMO.

It is your job to instill the fact that smoking is vile to your children, not mine or the governments. I take it from your post that you want to see the government ban it totally much like prohibition.
That will never fly. Rather than waiting for the government to parent your children and take away everyone's choice or right, start now to parent and mold them your way.

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

Originally posted by Chuck S
For the record, I was never a "heavy smoker", and I simply decided to stop years ago...I personally had no problems. I have only a few friends that smoke an occasional cigar (yuck), so my viewpoint is not one of a current smoker. I love that Diseny Restaurants are non-smoking, and that the parks have designated areas, but I would hate to see smoking banned completely as long as it is "legal".

ITA, except I like Dee's cigars. I love the fact that restaurants are smoke free, I hate smoke around food. I also like the fact that they have smoking areas in the parks. Much safer and it eliminates the need for PITA rabid anti smokers to give others grief.

 

[BWVDee]

Originally posted by GAIL HAYDEN
It is your job to instill the fact that smoking is vile to your children, not mine or the governments. I take it from your post that you want to see the government ban it totally much like prohibition.
That will never fly. Rather than waiting for the government to parent your children and take away everyone's choice or right, start now to parent and mold them your way.

Touche! ITA!

 

[BWVDee]

Originally posted by Chuck S
1) Knowing that smoking is permitted in some rooms at DVC resorts, we all had a choice to purchase or not.

2) If Florida or Orange County passes a no smoking in hotel room law, it may -or- may not apply to DVC accomodations, DVC is legally a timeshare, not a hotel.

3) If Disney unilaterally banned smoking in all on site accomodations, what would be the financial fallout of smokers, many of them international tourists, staying off-site to be able to smoke?

As long as cigarettes are available legally to adults, then I think Disney should have some smoking rooms to accomodate smokers. If on the other hand, sale of tobacco products became illegal nationwide, or even on a statewide basis, then that would solve the problem, wouldn't it? Maybe, just maybe, we should stop relying heavily on cigarette taxes as a cure-all for states financial woes, then it would be easier to simply ban tobacco products. As it is, states are being quite hypocritical. Here in Texas, the latest school finance reform scheme is to reduce property taxes, but increase sin taxes. Cigarette taxes would increase by $1 per pack, strip clubs patrons would pay $5 tax per visit. Hmmm...strip clubs financing schools, maybe we should welcome them building in our neighborhoods, along with advocating smoking. You can't have it both ways.

You make some excellent and valid points. ITA

 

[BWVDee]

Originally posted by Richyams
I don't care where they put the smoking rooms, we don't smoke in our house, we wouldn't smoke in the room. We always request 'no preference' or 'non-smoking'. That is what balconies were made for.

Not according to many posters on this board. Many feel smoking should not be permitted on any balconies. Of course WDW does not feel the same way, but it appears many DVC members do.

 

[eileenfk]

How does one change a smoking room into a non-smoking room, without replacing all the carpet and furniture and possibly the wood work?

I like the way that OKW has certain buildings designated as “smoking optional” buildings. I know to request to NOT be in one of these buildings. I am pretty certain that the “smoking optional” buildings represent far more then 5%. It looked like just over 10% .

I did read a room report, from someone who was in a supposed non-smoking room, in a building that was designated "smoking optional" who mentioned that the room had a strong smoke smell.

I am certain that Disney will base the location and number of smoking rooms on what they figure will generate the most income.

I have this idea for a themed restaurant, that should be able to allow smoking.
It could have a toxic waste theme, or even a combat type of theme. The employees could all wear protective masks. They could even serve special meals that can be consumed through the little tube on the protective mask. Patrons could choose to wear protective masks, or not at their own risk. Children would be required to wear the protective mask , (or maybe not be allowed in).

- Eileen

 

[tinkerbee]

It could have a toxic waste theme, or even a combat type of theme. The employees could all wear protective masks. They could even serve special meals that can be consumed through the little tube on the protective mask. Patrons could choose to wear protective masks, or not at their own risk. Children would be required to wear the protective mask , (or maybe not be allowed in).

This is getting out of hand.

People choose to smoke and people choose not to smoke. That is what makes
this country because we can choose. For those who choose to smoke DVC has giving those people rooms. Wheather they are at the end of a halll, 5%, 10% or 50% who cares. NO ONE will ever be happy about it.

Yes people shouldn't have to breath in second hand smoke if they choose not to smoke that is why people can not smoke in an eating area(GOOD). That's why they have certain areas to smoke in(GOOD). That is why they make smoking rooms so people who choose to smoke can smoke in there rooms. They pay the same amount and if they want to smoke let them. If it is a non smoke room it should stay that way even on the balcony it is part of the room.

 

[Dean]

1) Knowing that smoking is permitted in some rooms at DVC resorts, we all had a choice to purchase or not.

Agreed, but not relatent IMO. This fact does not mean that the rules couldn't be changed. I know there are those that feel that if smoking was allowed at the time they purchase, this creates a contractual oblication to continue to provide that option. IMO, they are wrong, at least legally or contractually.

2) If Florida or Orange County passes a no smoking in hotel room law, it may -or- may not apply to DVC accomodations, DVC is legally a timeshare, not a hotel.

In general I would agree, Timeshare are generally treated more like Condos than hotels including when it comes to ADA requirements which frequently don't apply fully, even when the Condo/timeshares rent out units. I think that DVC would miss out on this "exemption" as long as there are mixed resorts (BWV, BCV, VWL) with regular hotel portions, and as long as CRO is renting the units right along with the regular hotel options.

3) If Disney unilaterally banned smoking in all on site accomodations, what would be the financial fallout of smokers, many of them international tourists, staying off-site to be able to smoke?

Likely. I don't see WDW or DVC totally eliminating smoking units on their own. What I see is that it could be legislated. I'm sure there would be an impact, both ways. Some may not have bought if smoking was not permitted, others may have bought is non smoking was guaranteed. But remember that the only part that affects DVC from a sales standpoint is the unsold inventory. Past sales would not have any affect financially on DVC unless you had members defaulting on dues payments. Obviously there are other issues like restaurant revenue but that applies more to Disney in general than to DVC. In areas where smoking has been eliminated in restaurants, some places see lower revenue due to smokers staying away somewhat. Other places see higher revenue due to the habit smokers have of lingering for a longer time but not buying as much per time element. They also see more efficiency when there's a wait list.

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

Originally posted by eileenfk
How does one change a smoking room into a non-smoking room, without replacing all the carpet and furniture and possibly the wood work?

I like the way that OKW has certain buildings designated as “smoking optional” buildings. I know to request to NOT be in one of these buildings. I am pretty certain that the “smoking optional” buildings represent far more then 5%. It looked like just over 10% .

I did read a room report, from someone who was in a supposed non-smoking room, in a building that was designated "smoking optional" who mentioned that the room had a strong smoke smell.

I am certain that Disney will base the location and number of smoking rooms on what they figure will generate the most income.

I have this idea for a themed restaurant, that should be able to allow smoking.
It could have a toxic waste theme, or even a combat type of theme. The employees could all wear protective masks. They could even serve special meals that can be consumed through the little tube on the protective mask. Patrons could choose to wear protective masks, or not at their own risk. Children would be required to wear the protective mask , (or maybe not be allowed in).

- Eileen

It is only 5%, take the number of buidings at OKW, for instance, and take the number of smoking optional buildings and do the math. I did not do the math, but relied on the Member services satisfaction manager to tell me.
I hardly think your restaurant would fly, and it was a pretty lame attempt at humor or sarcasm.

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

How does one change a smoking room into a non-smoking room, without replacing all the carpet and furniture and possibly the wood work?

The changed the buildings, for the most part, during the rehab of all the buildings.
However, it is possible to "desmoke" a building by cleaning the carpets and washing and repainting the walls and cleaning the furniture.

 

[BWVDee]

Whenever the smoking threads come up on the boards, I always wonder if some people are the same way regarding smoking/non smoking rooms at resorts and hotels outside of WDW. If they are, they must very often be very disappointed. I have never stayed in a resort that was as on top of things as far as cleaning, sanitizing, defuming etc with their guest rooms as a WDW resort is. So if they are complaining about WDW rooms, they must really be unhappy campers when they stay elsewhere.
And as far as keeping all the smoking rooms together at the end of the hall so that non smokers do not have to smell the smoke when they are walking down the hall..................Give me a break!!
I have stayed in many smoking and non smoking rooms that were intermingled with smoking rooms and have never had a problem nor smelled anything walking down the hall!!!

 

[jaysue]

And as far as keeping all the smoking rooms together at the end of the hall so that non smokers do not have to smell the smoke when they are walking down the hall..................Give me a break!!

Your experience of course is your own - IMO segregating the smokers is the best choice amongst the bad choice in general of allowing smoking that WDW/DVC continues to execute

regards
jaysue

 

[3DisneyNUTS]

Originally posted by GAIL HAYDEN
A room that is dedicated as a smoking room poses NO health risk to you. so, what is the problem? Lots of things kill people, to support the elimination of EVERYTHING that kills people would have you living in a bubble. With the 5% smoking units allocated at each DVC resort, you are pretty much guaranteed a non smoking unit. Let people do what they want within the given rules. Unfortuantely, you are exposed on a daily basis to toxic fumes from automobiiles. NY is one of the worst. I am sure the smoking made every one feel a lot safer, unfortunately, they are not. And, btw, you can smoke in smoking designated rooms in any hotel in NY. It is everyone's privilidge to own and operate a vehicle and that does expose everyone to something that kills.

Oh Gail it does post a risk to me. If there is a posibility of getting a smoking room then I am at risk not to mention what drifts in the hallway. Second hand smoke has been proven to be worse then dirrect smoking.
And again smoking is a choice and it kills. Until cars are made safer which is a totally another topic as to why that is happening so slowly then we have no choice but to drive to get to places especially when in requires making a living society is set up that way. Smoking is not or never will be a nessessity.

 

[3DisneyNUTS]

Originally posted by GAIL HAYDEN
A room that is dedicated as a smoking room poses NO health risk to you. so, what is the problem? Lots of things kill people, to support the elimination of EVERYTHING that kills people would have you living in a bubble. With the 5% smoking units allocated at each DVC resort, you are pretty much guaranteed a non smoking unit. Let people do what they want within the given rules. Unfortuantely, you are exposed on a daily basis to toxic fumes from automobiiles. NY is one of the worst. I am sure the smoking made every one feel a lot safer, unfortunately, they are not. And, btw, you can smoke in smoking designated rooms in any hotel in NY. It is everyone's privilidge to own and operate a vehicle and that does expose everyone to something that kills.

Another thing it does pose a hazard to the people that have to work in those rooms. That is why alot of legislation has passed to make public establishments smoke free, to protect the employees who have to work in the smoke filled environment.

 

[Chuck S]

Originally posted by 3DisneyNUTS
That is why alot of legislation has passed to make public establishments smoke free, to protect the employees who have to work in the smoke filled environment.

Actually, little legislation is passed simply to "protect public health", most is passed because legislators believe it will be to their benefit when election time rolls around. IF legislator were concerned with "public health" they'd simply ban the sale of tobacco and raise taxes to compensate for the big bucks they make on every pack.

 

[3DisneyNUTS]

Originally posted by Chuck S
Actually, little legislation is passed simply to "protect public health", most is passed because legislators believe it will be to their benefit when election time rolls around. IF legislator were concerned with "public health" they'd simply ban the sale of tobacco and raise taxes to compensate for the big bucks they make on every pack.

Yeah right but who is going to agree to continue to put bar/food workers in danger because of disagreeing with the ban KWIM? It is a baby step imo but again good point because we are so reliant on the tax revenue.

 

[tinkerbee]

Another thing it does pose a hazard to the people that have to work in those rooms. That is why alot of legislation has passed to make public establishments smoke free, to protect the employees who have to work in the smoke filled environment.

Yes but the people cleaning the room are not in the room when people are smoking so I don't see how this would harm someone unless they are highly allergic to it. To be second hand smoke don''t you have to be around someone when they are actually smoking?