just back/ about smoking

[Par8hed]

Can someone explain to me how second hand smoke has been proven MORE dangerous than direct smoke? If one is a smoker aren't they exposed to BOTH second hand and direct? Wouldn't that HAVE to be worse?
I myself am a non-smoker. But on the occasions where I visit a bar or somewhere else where smoking is permitted, I have yet to this day exhaled and seen a plume of smoke exit my lungs. I have no doubt that second hand smoke is not healthy. But how could it POSSIBLY be worse than actually smoking? I'll let the scientists among you rebut.
One last thing. Tune in the news lately? There are far more scarier things in the world today to worry about then smelling a little smoke. Relax, have some fun, and try to keep things in perspective.

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

Originally posted by todsue99
Gail, Thank you. I commend you for this and I take back everything I said with your name in it because obviously you are a considerate smoker and I thank you.



I think this is funny also, but I do try and sit at the non-smoking tables. And it doesn't help in the slightest. If someone starts to smoke at a table that I am sitting at I do not say a thing unless the smoke drifts right up in my face. Then I ask if they could hold it away from me, but if they don't I will leave the table. That is their right and choose to leave. Do you ever win?



I appreciate more than words could ever express. Thank you very much.

You are more than welcome, but, I don't expect to be commended on being a considerate person, it is what I was brought up to be.

As to the casino, yes, I win often.

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

Originally posted by todsue99
This is the exact mentallity that makes my point even more. You don't really care if it bothers or effects other people.

Tod,
The mentality that would allow a child to scream on a balcony also shows very little consideration for others. Or, the ones that will be out there until the wee hours partying. I don't know about the other resorts, but, at OKW you have about 8 inches of concrete to get through before the smoke gets to you, side to side should not be an issue as they are well spaced. I stay in smoking buildings and I doubt my smoke bothers anyone near me. If it bothers someone 30-40' away, then they have more of a problem than being bothered by smoke.

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

Originally posted by todsue99
This is the exact mentallity that makes my point even more. You don't really care if it bothers or effects other people.

I think Dee was trying to point out there is more than smoking that disturbs people on balconys. I doubt it was intended to give the impression that not caring was the thought, but, rather, if something disturbs you, regardless of what it is, wait a bit, it will go away.

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

Originally posted by d-r
I just do not believe that this can be stated as a fact.

There was a correlational study that found that the children of parents who reported smoking only outside had a higher risk of asthma than did children whose parents did not smoke at all. The threat to the validity of this finding is that it only included parental reports of their recollections. These could be inaccurate because a). parents truly think that they "hardly ever" smoke inside and actually did it more than they thought, or b). parents wanted to give the more socially acceptable answer, and so fudged a bit (yeah, I smoke, but only outside away from the child). The problem is, the recollections of the parents in the study may not perfectly match their actual behavior - they may believe that they are doing better following their good intentions to smoke only outside than they actually are. Further, this was a correlational, retrospective study iirc, and so there is no way that one could draw the sort of causal inference that the post above states ("...that is why...").

Moreover, I do not believe that there has ever been any sort of large scale study that has actually examined the homes of people who only smoke outside in order to determine the levels of "carcinogens" trapped in "fabric, rugs, clothing, etc.," let alone actually linking those levels of "carinogens"trapped in these materials to a higher risk of infant asthma or sids. I mean seriously, think about it.

There is no scientific study for this, just "thought" by the extreamists. If I want a report on this, trust me, I will go to either the Lung Association, Cancer, or Heart. If you want some really good reading, look up how the results have been skewed by the rabid anti smoker groups. It is pretty amazing.

 

[pmcpmc]

I recently visited Dublin and was encouraged by the new law which has banned smoking in all pubs and restaurants.
The air in the pubs was a pleasure to breath.
There is nothing worse than having a meal or drink and having all your clothes left smelling of smoke.
At BWV I have been subjected to the balcony cigar smokers from the room below.

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

Originally posted by Par8hed
Can someone explain to me how second hand smoke has been proven MORE dangerous than direct smoke? If one is a smoker aren't they exposed to BOTH second hand and direct? Wouldn't that HAVE to be worse?
I myself am a non-smoker. But on the occasions where I visit a bar or somewhere else where smoking is permitted, I have yet to this day exhaled and seen a plume of smoke exit my lungs. I have no doubt that second hand smoke is not healthy. But how could it POSSIBLY be worse than actually smoking? I'll let the scientists among you rebut.
One last thing. Tune in the news lately? There are far more scarier things in the world today to worry about then smelling a little smoke. Relax, have some fun, and try to keep things in perspective.

Excellent point, but, for some, the world only revolves around them and nothing else matters. For me, there are many worse things, like seeing our fellow Americans picked off like flies in Iraq. For what? To protect our Freedom. Ironic isn't it?

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

Originally posted by pmcpmc
I recently visited Dublin and was encouraged by the new law which has banned smoking in all pubs and restaurants.
The air in the pubs was a pleasure to breath.
There is nothing worse than having a meal or drink and having all your clothes left smelling of smoke.
At BWV I have been subjected to the balcony cigar smokers from the room below.

Well, it seems Ireland is the place for you to vacation. CT passed the same law, so, I need not travel out of the country for the "pleasure". I have left some restaurants with the smell of fried food on my clothes, far, far worse than smoke, IMHO.

 

[Dean]

It is factual that smoking has negative effect on both those that smoke and those exposed around them. This is not like the ozone issue where there's no real direct evidence and only conjecture. It's no doubt that smoking has more effects on those direclty exposed and less on those indireclty exposed. The other variables include developing lungs and a persons sensitivity.

 

[floridafam]

I just returned from the Pulmonary Specialist with my DS. Every person we saw-the tech that gave him a pulmonary function test, the nurses, the doctor all asked us if we smoked.

We don't nor do any of our family members or friends with the exception of my brother-his twin died of coronary artery disease and he still won't quit.

DS has asthma and now we have to give him medicine every day and every evening and take his nebulizer with us to WDW.

I can only hope we don't end up near a smoking room and can enjoy our balcony without the smell of smoke.

DVC has got to do something about this issue. I still say if they could guarantee non-smoking and smoking rooms with the balconies having the same designation as the room they are attached to, everyone would be happy. Smokers could smoke and non-smokers could enjoy their balconies.

I can't believe for one second that they can have all these different categories of views and can't have seperate ones for smoking and non-smoking.

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

Originally posted by Dean
It is factual that smoking has negative effect on both those that smoke and those exposed around them. This is not like the ozone issue where there's no real direct evidence and only conjecture. It's no doubt that smoking has more effects on those direclty exposed and less on those indireclty exposed. The other variables include developing lungs and a persons sensitivity.

There is ABSOLUTELY NO DEBATE on that.

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

Originally posted by floridafam
I just returned from the Pulmonary Specialist with my DS. Every person we saw-the tech that gave him a pulmonary function test, the nurses, the doctor all asked us if we smoked.

We don't nor do any of our family members or friends with the exception of my brother-his twin died of coronary artery disease and he still won't quit.

DS has asthma and now we have to give him medicine every day and every evening and take his nebulizer with us to WDW.

I can only hope we don't end up near a smoking room and can enjoy our balcony without the smell of smoke.

DVC has got to do something about this issue. I still say if they could guarantee non-smoking and smoking rooms with the balconies having the same designation as the room they are attached to, everyone would be happy. Smokers could smoke and non-smokers could enjoy their balconies.

I can't believe for one second that they can have all these different categories of views and can't have seperate ones for smoking and non-smoking.

I am really sorry to hear about your son. Truly. But, not everyone would be happy with your suggestion. Most especially a smoker who could not get a smoking room or a non smoker who was next to a smoking unit and the smoker smoked on the balcony.
Unfortunately, with your DS, you are going to be subjected to many triggers, once of which is humidity, smoke from barbeques, smog, air pollution, fog, cats, dogs, etc. Each one I mentioned can be avoided, to some degree, but, not eliminated.
Hopefully, he will get better as he ages. I know many asthmatics who have.

 

[Dean]

Originally posted by GAIL HAYDEN
I am really sorry to hear about your son. Truly. But, not everyone would be happy with your suggestion. Most especially a smoker who could not get a smoking room or a non smoker who was next to a smoking unit and the smoker smoked on the balcony.
Unfortunately, with your DS, you are going to be subjected to many triggers, once of which is humidity, smoke from barbeques, smog, air pollution, fog, cats, dogs, etc. Each one I mentioned can be avoided, to some degree, but, not eliminated.
Hopefully, he will get better as he ages. I know many asthmatics who have.

I don't see how this would be a problem. If DVC guarantees a smoking designation, at least you'd know before you went and could chose to accept or not. There should hav NEVER been smoking on the balcony of a nonsmoking unit when the units around them are also non smoking. An alalogy would be someone who's been undercharged on real estate taxes and gets a letter that says they're going up due to the error. It's not that they're asking for back taxes.

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

Originally posted by Dean
I don't see how this would be a problem. If DVC guarantees a smoking designation, at least you'd know before you went and could chose to accept or not. There should hav NEVER been smoking on the balcony of a nonsmoking unit when the units around them are also non smoking. An alalogy would be someone who's been undercharged on real estate taxes and gets a letter that says they're going up due to the error. It's not that they're asking for back taxes.

Dean,
Unfortunately, what should have been is not. I don't get your anaolgy, but, then again, I rarely get anyone's. I don't speak analogy very well.

 

[Dean]

Originally posted by GAIL HAYDEN
Dean,
Unfortunately, what should have been is not. I don't get your anaolgy, but, then again, I rarely get anyone's. I don't speak analogy very well.

The basic point is that if DVC made smoking and non smoking a direct reservation, nothing is lost. And if they made balconies non smoking in on smoking areas/building, it should have always been that way, IMO.

 

[TnRobin]

Okay guys - same story - please us the debate board to debate the pros and cons of hotels choices for non-smoking and smoking room groupings