Junior High and Allergies

[okeydokey]

You can pack his lunch.

How does that effect the school cafeteria serving peanut products? Not sure you read the OP.

 

[Mouse House Mama]

They certainly could. Many have allergies that severe. I Personally, I would have no problem giving up the cookie during school hours if that meant a safe environment for someone else, but I was raised that way.

Well I was raised that my problem isn't everybody else's.

 

[mjkacmom]

I...and nut allergies effect only approximately 1.1% of the U.S. population. Still a relatively small number. Milk allergies effect 3%, egg allergies effect 2%.

But it's way easier to serve nut-free entrees than milk and egg free (just ask my sister).

 

[princessmom29]

No problem here with you disagreeing, but I am with 6 year olds every day in school and what they say is different than what they do. With you, they tell you what they know. And that's a start. But they need to transfer that knowledge into their daily practice and they're not as successful with that as they should be before we can expect them to be responsible for themselves.

I live with a 6 year old with a food allergy. She knows she cannot eat, touch, or be near shrimp. SHe knows not to sit next ot anyone with it, and will promplty tell the adult in charge as much. She is absolutely sucessful in transfering knowledge into action, as are the other allergy kids in 1st grade this year. Out of 60 first graders in the school I know of 5 who are allergic to something, including DD and all of them handle their own allergy. All the school has to do is provide an allergen frre place for them to sit during lunch. If 6 year olds can do it, so can everyone else in the school.

 

[princessmom29]

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Well I was raised that my problem isn't everybody else's.

Me too!!

 

[Hannathy]

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Well I was raised that my problem isn't everybody else's.

And that I wasn't the center of the universe!

 

[disneyandme]

Some of you need to go back and learn your history- these same arguements- too expensive, not fair to give special treatment to a small population, not necessary if people took care of their own problems, problem not as bad a people make it out to be, etc- were the same agruements against the Americans with Disabilities Act. Examples were- too expensive to put in ramps and retro-fit bathrooms, too small of a population who needed this and why should everyone pay for it, people with disabilities should deal with getting places on their own and not make everyone change. There aren't a lot of people now who are going to complain about these things now, but it was a long hard battle to get the ADA passed.

 

[Mouse House Mama]

Some of you need to go back and learn your history- these same arguements- too expensive, not fair to give special treatment to a small population, not necessary if people took care of their own problems, problem not as bad a people make it out to be, etc- were the same agruements against the Americans with Disabilities Act. Examples were- too expensive to put in ramps and retro-fit bathrooms, too small of a population who needed this and why should everyone pay for it, people with disabilities should deal with getting places on their own and not make everyone change. There aren't a lot of people now who are going to complain about these things now, but it was a long hard battle to get the ADA passed.

Sigh........While I do know my history about the ADA etc. the point is that the ADA does not make accomodations that infringe on other people's rights. They make reasonable accomodations for people to make things accessable. They do not ban things for 500 people just to suit one person. That is not what it is about. Having a nut free table that is cleaned etc. or having a special room where no nut products are allowed is reasonable. Expecting 500 families to food shop to accomodate one child is not.

 

[disneyandme]

Schools are a public institution which is required by law to provide appropriate education to all. Each child's needs are met on a case by case basis- some with physical disabilites need ramps, others need no more than 3 stairs, some food allergic kids need separate seating, some need peanut free schools, some kids with learning disabilites can have them met in a regular classroom with extra support, others need self-contained special ed classrooms. Stop judging those who have different needs for their allergies just because you know a child who doesn't.

 

[Mouse House Mama]

Schools are a public institution which is required by law to provide appropriate education to all. Each child's needs are met on a case by case basis- some with physical disabilites need ramps, others need no more than 3 stairs, some food allergic kids need separate seating, some need peanut free schools, some kids with learning disabilites can have them met in a regular classroom with extra support, others need self-contained special ed classrooms. Stop judging those who have different needs for their allergies just because you know a child who doesn't.

Nobody is judging anyone's needs. An appropriate education does not mean the school revolves around one student. Like I said- a clean lunch table or a separate room would provide an appropriate education. Making everyone comply with one person's needs infringes on everyone else's rights.

 

[disneyandme]

Nobody is judging anyone's needs. An appropriate education does not mean the school revolves around one student. Like I said- a clean lunch table or a separate room would provide an appropriate education. Making everyone comply with one person's needs infringes on everyone else's rights.

You are judging what another student needs are based on your own child's needs. Maybe a clean table or another room are not appropriate for another child. And the idea of having a child homeschooled is ridiculous. Public schools must provide an appropriate education-with access- for all children. If a child needs a nut free school (based on medical diagnosis) than the school is required to provide it.

 

[Hannathy]

Schools are a public institution which is required by law to provide appropriate education to all. Each child's needs are met on a case by case basis- some with physical disabilites need ramps, others need no more than 3 stairs, some food allergic kids need separate seating, some need peanut free schools, some kids with learning disabilites can have them met in a regular classroom with extra support, others need self-contained special ed classrooms. Stop judging those who have different needs for their allergies just because you know a child who doesn't.

A peanut free table is meeting the needs and with reasonable accommodation. No child in elementary school and up needs a peanut free school.

I really don't get why you are bringing up the rest of your paragraph.

 

[Leajess99]

Actually, they are not. Chips Ahoy are a safe choc. chip cookie for children with peanut allergies. And yes, all food needs to be checked. My first graders bring their snacks to me all the time and ask me to check if it's safe for them to eat in the classroom because xx is allergic. If it's a snack that has a warning on it of any kind, they willingly get another snack.

I thought the Chips Ahoy were okay as that was the cookies that the peanut allergic child in my daughter's 3rd grade class could have. I know when I take in cupcakes or treats for my younger ones' birthdays I always check on food allergies and if a child cannot have what I bring in for everyone else, I make sure I have a safe alternative for that child. I know how I or my children would feel (and my youngest does feel) if we are unable to have something brought in for the kids so I make sure to be fair to all kids.

 

[disneyandme]

A peanut free table is meeting the needs and with reasonable accommodation. No child in elementary school and up needs a peanut free school.

You are making a judgement once again that you know best for another child. Are you this child's doctor? You can't make that judgement about what his/her needs are just because you don't like the alternative.

 

[TinkInPink]

Has anyone thought about the fact that the child in question is a Junior High School kid? Do you honestly think he is ok with causing all of the disruption and upset that would be associated with making a school peanut free? or would he rather gain a sense of responsibility and self reliance that would be associated with dealing with his allergy on his own? And yes, everyone at the school will know that it is him. News, even confidential information, spreads quickly in Junior High and High School.

 

[Leajess99]

Nobody is judging anyone's needs. An appropriate education does not mean the school revolves around one student. Like I said- a clean lunch table or a separate room would provide an appropriate education. Making everyone comply with one person's needs infringes on everyone else's rights.

The school NOT serving peanut products is NOT infringing on anyone's rights. NO one is saying to completely ban peanut items but that the schools need to stop serving them.

 

[Hannathy]

You are making a judgement once again that you know best for another child. Are you this child's doctor? You can't make that judgement about what his/her needs are just because you don't like the alternative.

Yes I can because there is no such thing as a peanut free world . So if a child can't live unless the whole school is peanut free then I'm sorry but they aren't going to live long because of above there is no peanut free world. You can never control what a child does before coming to school or even what gets sent. You can ask but there is no absolute.people break and bend the rules all the time. So even the schools that taut themselves as peanut free are probably truthfully just less peanuts than other schools.

You can't change the world for 1 person.

 

[Mouse House Mama]

The school NOT serving peanut products is NOT infringing on anyone's rights. NO one is saying to completely ban peanut items but that the schools need to stop serving them.

Or the kid could NOT buy lunch. There is no rule that a kid must buy lunch.

 

[Mouse House Mama]

Yes I can because there is no such thing as a peanut free world . So if a child can't live unless the whole school is peanut free then I'm sorry but they aren't going to live long because of above there is no peanut free world. You can never control what a child does before coming to school or even what gets sent. You can ask but there is no absolute.people break and bend the rules all the time. So even the schools that taut themselves as peanut free are probably truthfully just less peanuts than other schools.

You can't change the world for 1 person.

EXACTLY!

 

[badblackpug]

But it's way easier to serve nut-free entrees than milk and egg free (just ask my sister).

Yes. I am sure it is, but just because it is "easier" to eliminate peanuts doesn't mean that should be the reason we choose to just eliminate that. If we are talking about saving children's lives, it should extend to everyone, not just who is easier to protect. It is easiest no to eliminate anything.

Has anyone thought about the fact that the child in question is a Junior High School kid? Do you honestly think he is ok with causing all of the disruption and upset that would be associated with making a school peanut free? or would he rather gain a sense of responsibility and self reliance that would be associated with dealing with his allergy on his own? And yes, everyone at the school will know that it is him. News, even confidential information, spreads quickly in Junior High and High School.

Well, yes, actually repeatedly. That seems to be the point that is lost here.