June UY what are you doing???

[Yinn]

I have a June UY with just about 300 points. I had bought both contracts and am a first time owner as of the end of last year. So my first official trip as a DVC owner was supposed to be...May.

Luckily for me, my amateur self ended up banking and borrowing points in a weird way so I only have about 50 points at stake. But those 50 points are from a direct 75 points contract.

I moved all my borrowed points back to 2020 already. I'm still holding onto a reduced reservation that uses those 50 points - because what's the worst case? I lose them? I'm hoping Disney finds an overall resolution and afraid if I cancel the reservation I won't be eligible when/if they do. I'm also going on a pipe dream that Disney will look at my welcome home trip and take pity and perhaps give me one time use points. But the reality is I've gone through my 6 stages of grief, accepted that Disney doesn't HAVE to do anything, and have accepted that I will most likely lose them and get nothing in return.

 

[JohnGypsy]

I have had two CMs tell me I could deposit to RCI but that doesn't mean they know what they are talking about. Rules seem to change everytime you talk to a new CM. I would not use RCI to trade to the Orlando area or DVC.

You can't use RCI for the Orlando area anyhow - it is specifically excluded from their list of properties when using DVC->RCI points.

 

[carli_h]

We have/had our first DVC trip with a June UY on May 21 and due to travel in from the U.K.

We have 200 points we’re likely to lose. Disney have extended our passes until September 2021 but unless DVC do something we may end up not being able to travel in time to use our passes (which cost more than the points).

It’s all a mess really.

I am struggling a bit with the view that it’s hard luck and our fault for using late in the UY, so we should just suck it up. Or that DVC do not have to do anything as we collectively own the DVC resorts.

In case it comes across that way, I am not trying or wanting to start a debate on it. Just a bit frustrated as I am missing Disney and my family were so excited about this first DVC trip. I fully get that it is no ones fault we’re in this situation and there are much bigger issues.

 

[JohnGypsy]

I am struggling a bit with the view that it’s hard luck and our fault for using late in the UY, so we should just suck it up.

I don't think many people are saying that it is "your fault." The issue is: it isn't anyone's fault. So, it is hard to find a solution that is "fair" to everyone that everyone would be happy with.

Or that DVC do not have to do anything as we collectively own the DVC resorts.

But that is accurate. Or, maybe better said, DVCM might not be ABLE to do anything because we all collectively own the resorts. There isn't some magic they can do. They can't just go "Ok, you can just use your points whenever in the future". That would violate current agreements, anger many owners, and, according to some, may even violate some Florida laws on timeshare ownership.

In case it comes across that way, I am not trying or wanting to start a debate on it. Just a bit frustrated as I am missing Disney and my family were so excited about this first DVC trip. I fully get that it is no ones fault we’re in this situation and there are much bigger issues.

Agreed. Lots of us are in the same boat. There just isn't a good "solution" that is possible and would make the majority happy probably.

At this point, the only thing that I'm really frustrated with DVCM not saying SOMETHING before the June UY people pass their 45 day RCI window deadline this week. I mean, they've said that they are "taking things under advisement" and trying to figure something out. But I need to decide within the next 48 hours if I'm going to dump points into RCI. I'm very likely going to do that. But I'd feel a lot better about it if DVCM just came out and said something -- even if the something is "Sorry, we thought about it and there just isn't anything we can do -- points are going to expire normally." If they said that, then at least I'd know my decision to move them to RCI was the best/only option. I admit that I'll be pretty frustrated if I move them to RCI tomorrow and then a week from now DVCM announces that they've figured out a way to let you bank them for the future or something...

 

[Sandisw]

We have/had our first DVC trip with a June UY on May 21 and due to travel in from the U.K.

We have 200 points we’re likely to lose. Disney have extended our passes until September 2021 but unless DVC do something we may end up not being able to travel in time to use our passes (which cost more than the points).

It’s all a mess really.

I am struggling a bit with the view that it’s hard luck and our fault for using late in the UY, so we should just suck it up. Or that DVC do not have to do anything as we collectively own the DVC resorts.

In case it comes across that way, I am not trying or wanting to start a debate on it. Just a bit frustrated as I am missing Disney and my family were so excited about this first DVC trip. I fully get that it is no ones fault we’re in this situation and there are much bigger issues.

I am sorry that your very first trip has not turned out the way you had hoped and are at risk of losing some of your points.

When it’s over, maybe they will have figured a way to help. unfortunately, as owners, we will all suffer through this, whether it’s owners losing points, owners not being able to book future trips, or other consequences we may not have even thought of yet,

 

[FSUSammy]

At this point, the only thing that I'm really frustrated with DVCM not saying SOMETHING before the June UY people pass their 45 day RCI window deadline this week. I mean, they've said that they are "taking things under advisement" and trying to figure something out. But I need to decide within the next 48 hours if I'm going to dump points into RCI. I'm very likely going to do that. But I'd feel a lot better about it if DVCM just came out and said something -- even if the something is "Sorry, we thought about it and there just isn't anything we can do -- points are going to expire normally." If they said that, then at least I'd know my decision to move them to RCI was the best/only option. I admit that I'll be pretty frustrated if I move them to RCI tomorrow and then a week from now DVCM announces that they've figured out a way to let you bank them for the future or something...

That's the part that is frustrating me too. I'm so torn on what to do. If I could find something decent at RCI with 90 points it would be a no brainer, but because I haven't seen anything at the caliber of DVC (I've been spoiled) I just can't pull the plug. Like you I have been waiting for some kind of communication before the April 17th deadline just to give me an idea if it's worth it to sit tight and wait or if I should move the points even if I can't do much with them. The non-communication at this point just doesn't sit well with me.

 

[carli_h]

But that is accurate. Or, maybe better said, DVCM might not be ABLE to do anything because we all collectively own the resorts. There isn't some magic they can do. They can't just go "Ok, you can just use your points whenever in the future". That would violate current agreements, anger many owners, and, according to some, may even violate some Florida laws on timeshare ownership.

Sorry not articulated very well. I completely understand, but do see the points issue is for all DVC members not just April or June UY. There’s not an easy solution to this situation.

 

[Sandisw]

That's the part that is frustrating me too. I'm so torn on what to do. If I could find something decent at RCI with 90 points it would be a no brainer, but because I haven't seen anything at the caliber of DVC (I've been spoiled) I just can't pull the plug. Like you I have been waiting for some kind of communication before the April 17th deadline just to give me an idea if it's worth it to sit tight and wait or if I should move the points even if I can't do much with them. The non-communication at this point just doesn't sit well with me.

They have said they are considering options but can’t make any sort of decision until it’s over, I am not sure what more they could say yet because no resort opening has been announced, and unfortunately, that decision isn’t solely up to Disney given the stay at home orders, etc,

It is frustrating and as each month goes on, more owners have to make choices that may not be their first choice.

 

[FSUSammy]

They have said they are considering options but can’t make any sort of decision until it’s over, I am not sure what more they could say yet because no resort opening has been announced, and unfortunately, that decision isn’t solely up to Disney given the stay at home orders, etc,

It is frustrating and as each month goes on, more owners have to make choices that may not be their first choice.

Oh I know what they said. It's just that come April 17th if we don't move anything to RCI and they say sorry we decided to not do anything we are all screwed. I suck at gambling and I'd be gambling either way. Whether I move them to RCI and the next day or even a month later they come back and say they are going to do something or vice versa.

They know April 17th is coming up and they know how many people will be impacted by that deadline and I bet MS is not ready for the call volume on Friday if we all bombard them that day to transfer to RCI. No communication come Friday will be a disaster for them.

 

[Sandisw]

Oh I know what they said. It's just that come April 17th if we don't move anything to RCI and they say sorry we decided to not do anything we are all screwed. I suck at gambling and I'd be gambling either way. Whether I move them to RCI and the next day or even a month later they come back and say they are going to do something or vice versa.

They know April 17th is coming up and they know how many people will be impacted by that deadline and I bet MS is not ready for the call volume on Friday if we all bombard them that day to transfer to RCI. No communication come Friday will be a disaster for them.

But what could they possible say that they already haven’t since no resort opening date has been announced ?

I agree with you though, You have to decide to gamble that a solution will happen or play it safe to at least salvage some type of vacation later.

Its a tough spot that everyone will find themselves in as this goes on. Just like Aug UY people had to do last month for banking.

 

[FSUSammy]

But what could they possible say that they already haven’t since no resort opening date has been announced ?

I honestly don't know. When I called MS earlier this week they made it seem like some announcement was coming soon. I don't know what they could tell me to make me decide one way or another at this point.

 

[gharter]

We did the only thing we could do without losing our points. Had DVC transfer our points to RCI.
I haven't seen anything from DVC to make me think that they will change anything for expiring points. And certainly, not before our points expore.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

I have had two CMs tell me I could deposit to RCI but that doesn't mean they know what they are talking about. Rules seem to change everytime you talk to a new CM. I would not use RCI to trade to the Orlando area or DVC.

Maybe they didn't realize they are Reservation points? Or else they just aren't aware or forgot but Reservation points can't be deposited into RCI.

Unless they're making an exception but if they did that one there's at least one other they should immediately do as well.

 

[WilsonFlyer]

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Its a tough spot that everyone will find themselves in as this goes on. Just like Aug UY people had to do last month for banking.

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With all due respect to all UY owners, the only ones put at risk here have been Apr and Jun. Aug UY owners can most certainly bank all their points and then borrow for a reservation that occurs between now and then. Apparently with no risk whatsoever since borrowed points are being happily returned when reservations are cancelled.

We need to stop bundling those with UYs that had plenty of time to make conscientious decisions with those of us that did not just because time continues to pass. DVCM needs to look at it that way also. It's not fair to make decisions for those affected when those making decisions now know full well that they are taking a gamble. Limit damages to those who were never playing a game with their points other than choosing to use them in the last 4 months of their UYs.

 

[lolakat]

I have 17 points at risk from June UY. I usually don't travel in the last few months of my UY but this was meant to be a one night stay to attend a Moonlight Magic event. The number of points is too small to make a RCI deposit a viable option. Since I don't have any other choice I am just letting the reservation sit there. I expect I will just lose the points, I know it is a small loss compared to others but the principle of it bothers me. This situation really illustrates what DVC is and isn't..........

I'm having a harder time deciding what to do with a late July reservation that I have on a Sept UY. It is also for a Moonlight Magic Event but a longer stay so more than 60pts at risk. I will have to cancel by the end of April if no further info available as I don't want to be in this same situation again. I will lose a couple of banked points from 2018 either way. I also have a Nov reservation with banked 2019 points and I wonder what will become of it as well. The uncertainty is what I find most difficult. It would be easier to make a decision if I knew for sure the points would be lost (or any other remedy).

 

[Sandisw]

With all due respect to all UY owners, the only ones put at risk here have been Apr and Jun. Aug UY owners can most certainly bank all their points and then borrow for a reservation that occurs between now and then. Apparently with no risk whatsoever since borrowed points are being happily returned when reservations are cancelled.

We need to stop bundling those with UYs that had plenty of time to make conscientious decisions with those of us that did not just because time continues to pass. DVCM needs to look at it that way also. It's not fair to make decisions for those affected when those making decisions now know full well that they are taking a gamble. Limit damages to those who were never playing a game with their points other than choosing to use them in the last 4 months of their UYs.

With all due respect, Aug UY owners did have a tough choice to make. They had to cancel a trip during a time when resorts might be open to bank or take a risk,

You may not see it that way, but it was something that had to be decided,
This month, it is Sept UY faced with the same choice because their has been no change to the banking deadlines,

Again, we all feel bad that the timing of the shut down is hitting those with April and June UY hard, But, no matter when a shut down happens in the year, some UY would be at risk,

At least June UY people have the ability to go to RCI, which April did not, Not the best choice..,some dont view it as a choice at all...but it is something,

No act on DVCMs part, other than allowing all points to be banked forward, including late banking, will save all points,

That certainly could happen, but given that we won’t know that until a resort opening date is announced, ALL DVC owners are forced to evaluate things differently,

 

[JohnGypsy]

But what could they possible say that they already haven’t since no resort opening date has been announced ?

They could say something along the lines of: "We cannot make any determinations about lost points for people with an April or June UY until we know when the parks and resorts will reopen. However, we have made arrangements with RCI to do a temporary hold of points transferred there during this period. So, you may safely transfer any points you are about to lose to RCI and, if a solution is found that you would prefer once we know the whole situation down the road, you may pull back those points from RCI and use them for that new solution."

THAT is what they could do since you keep asking. Again, I'm not real upset here. I don't personally have a lot of points to lose. But, we made the transfer last night to RCI because we have a June UY. If DVC announces something different in a week, then that will be very frustrating, of course.

But, yes, there ARE things that DVCM could do and/or say NOW even without knowing resort re-opening dates.

Right now, if you are June UY and have points that are going to expire and call DVC, the CM basically suggests that RCI is your only real option at this point. And, I agree that is fairly accurate right now. But, as you said, they HAVE said that they will look into options once they know more about parks reopening. Well, it will be too late by then, of course.

So, again, these are things that they could do and say now to help with this. They could talk to RCI and come up with a temporary agreement about points. Do an "RCI Hold" of some sort. Something so that people don't have to make a decision that is basically just a gamble. They could tell us if they are even considering allowing extended banking based on the parks opening on June 1st, July 1st, or August 1st, for example. They MUST be considering timelines internally. They don't have to wait until they know for certain when the parks and resorts are going to reopen to at least provide additional insight on what MIGHT happen based on opening dates. They could take action with a temporary new agreement with RCI about "holding" DVC->RCI points.

There ARE options that they could consider. There ARE things that they "could possibly say" even when they don't know the resorts reopening dates.

 

[FSUSammy]

They could say something along the lines of: "We cannot make any determinations about lost points for people with an April or June UY until we know when the parks and resorts will reopen. However, we have made arrangements with RCI to do a temporary hold of points transferred there during this period. So, you may safely transfer any points you are about to lose to RCI and, if a solution is found that you would prefer once we know the whole situation down the road, you may pull back those points from RCI and use them for that new solution."

THAT is what they could do since you keep asking. Again, I'm not real upset here. I don't personally have a lot of points to lose. But, we made the transfer last night to RCI because we have a June UY. If DVC announces something different in a week, then that will be very frustrating, of course.

But, yes, there ARE things that DVCM could do and/or say NOW even without knowing resort re-opening dates.

Right now, if you are June UY and have points that are going to expire and call DVC, the CM basically suggests that RCI is your only real option at this point. And, I agree that is fairly accurate right now. But, as you said, they HAVE said that they will look into options once they know more about parks reopening. Well, it will be too late by then, of course.

So, again, these are things that they could do and say now to help with this. They could talk to RCI and come up with a temporary agreement about points. Do an "RCI Hold" of some sort. Something so that people don't have to make a decision that is basically just a gamble. They could tell us if they are even considering allowing extended banking based on the parks opening on June 1st, July 1st, or August 1st, for example. They MUST be considering timelines internally. They don't have to wait until they know for certain when the parks and resorts are going to reopen to at least provide additional insight on what MIGHT happen based on opening dates. They could take action with a temporary new agreement with RCI about "holding" DVC->RCI points.

There ARE options that they could consider. There ARE things that they "could possibly say" even when they don't know the resorts reopening dates.

Yes!!!! 1000% this!

 

[Sandisw]

They could say something along the lines of: "We cannot make any determinations about lost points for people with an April or June UY until we know when the parks and resorts will reopen. However, we have made arrangements with RCI to do a temporary hold of points transferred there during this period. So, you may safely transfer any points you are about to lose to RCI and, if a solution is found that you would prefer once we know the whole situation down the road, you may pull back those points from RCI and use them for that new solution."

THAT is what they could do since you keep asking. Again, I'm not real upset here. I don't personally have a lot of points to lose. But, we made the transfer last night to RCI because we have a June UY. If DVC announces something different in a week, then that will be very frustrating, of course.

But, yes, there ARE things that DVCM could do and/or say NOW even without knowing resort re-opening dates.

Right now, if you are June UY and have points that are going to expire and call DVC, the CM basically suggests that RCI is your only real option at this point. And, I agree that is fairly accurate right now. But, as you said, they HAVE said that they will look into options once they know more about parks reopening. Well, it will be too late by then, of course.

So, again, these are things that they could do and say now to help with this. They could talk to RCI and come up with a temporary agreement about points. Do an "RCI Hold" of some sort. Something so that people don't have to make a decision that is basically just a gamble. They could tell us if they are even considering allowing extended banking based on the parks opening on June 1st, July 1st, or August 1st, for example. They MUST be considering timelines internally. They don't have to wait until they know for certain when the parks and resorts are going to reopen to at least provide additional insight on what MIGHT happen based on opening dates. They could take action with a temporary new agreement with RCI about "holding" DVC->RCI points.

There ARE options that they could consider. There ARE things that they "could possibly say" even when they don't know the resorts reopening dates.

But telling people they can pull back from RCI if a decision is made to save points within the DVC system would still be dependent on knowing how many points there are, which they don’t know yet.

Being able to pull them back may not be legally allowed. I certainly don’t know if that can or can not happen.

Yes, it is frustrating, and yes, June UY are now in another situation to decide to deposit or risk them,

I think my point was that anything other than what was posted would be a decision of some sort and they have made it clear they can’t do that until the resorts open.

 

[JohnGypsy]

But telling people they can pull back from RCI if a decision is made to save within the DVC system would still be dependent on knowing how many points there are, which they don’t know yet.

Being able to pull them back may not be legally allowed. I certainly don’t know if that can or can not happen.

Again, they could be negotiating with RCI on this with contigency plans in place. Of COURSE it would be complicated, but it is still something that could be done.

You just keep saying that you don't see how they could say anything at this point. I'm saying that there are possibilities that could be considered.

Heck, at this point, I'd just appreciate a note from them that said: "Hey, June UY people, we know you are stuck right now and our CMs are recommending that you move points to RCI as the only option available to not lose them right now. That still seems like the best option. If we make changes in the future where you'd have been better off to just let them expire, we'll consider options to try to resolve that." Just SOMETHING of that sort would be "something they could possibly say before they know when the resorts will reopen."

That's mainly what I'm saying here. That I disagree with your repeated statements that there is basically nothing that could say. That just isn't true.

I think my point was that anything other than what was posted would be a decision of some sort and they have made it clear they can’t do that until the resorts open.

And I disagree with that point. My point is that they certainly could say things to people making that last-minute decision right now. Even if it isn't a final "answer" or "decision."