June UY what are you doing???

[Brian Noble]

I didn't say it had to be guaranteed. I said that I'd like to see them say "we will do what we can" to make it happen.

I would have understood that as "we'll do what we can" but given the past behavior of lots of DVC Members, many would take it as a guarantee and be even more angry if they weren't able to pull them back.

 

[JohnGypsy]

I think we can all agree that April is owed something and June is next in line. Beyond that, there’s an option.

I don't think we all agree on that at all. I don't think anyone is "owed" anything. Anything that they do, if they do anything at all, will be a good will gesture that is absolutely not required by law or contract. They don't "owe us" anything for having to be closed due to a global pandemic.

Members are already furious about borrowed points being returned and waiving the rule book. DVC has a lot to consider here.

So, you're arguing that they violated their own rules and people are furious, so that they should violate their own rules some more because they "owe" us something?

Sorry, no, I don't think we "can all agree" on that. They don't "owe" anyone anything. I don't think anyone should be expecting anything. IF something happens, then hopefully great! But they don't "owe" us. They didn't do anything "wrong" to April or June people so that they'd "owe" us something.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

Sorry, no, I don't think we "can all agree" on that. They don't "owe" anyone anything. I don't think anyone should be expecting anything. IF something happens, then hopefully great! But they don't "owe" us. They didn't do anything "wrong" to April or June people so that they'd "owe" us something.

Mmmmmmm….maybe, maybe not. The "wrong" might be argued at being excluded from assistance when others were given assisted. They elected to not do something that they do for themselves when they sell points (late banking). And they elected to do something for all UY's (returning borrowed points) when many would have had the possibility of using their points.

 

[WilsonFlyer]

"They don't "owe us" anything for having to be closed due to a global pandemic. "

Once again, there are no FL state orders closing hotels and resorts as I understand it. As a matter of fact, I'm quite certain they were deemed "essential services."

 

[Sandisw]

"They don't "owe us" anything for having to be closed due to a global pandemic. "

Once again, there are no FL state orders closing hotels and resorts as I understand it. As a matter of fact, I'm quite certain they were deemed "essential services."

And again, they had the authority, per the contract , to close if they believed it was in the best interest for the health and safety was of concern,

They determined it was. So, they followed the terms of the contract and therefore, owe us nothing for loss of use.

With all due resect, you can disagree with their decision but DVCM does not have to be ordered to close, simply have a state of emergency declared, and it was. Once done, it allowed them to exercise their emergency powers

I know you are frustrate and I am sorry, but continuing to state thst they weren’t order to close somehow means they acted outside the POS is just not accurate based on my reading of it and the email I got from DVC, There is simply no legal requirement that they be ordered to close down by the government,

 

[Sandisw]

Mmmmmmm….maybe, maybe not. The "wrong" might be argued at being excluded from assistance when others were given assisted. They elected to not do something that they do for themselves when they sell points (late banking). And they elected to do something for all UY's (returning borrowed points) when many would have had the possibility of using their points.

All legal and within their authority. No one has to like it And We can still hope They will find a way to help.

But, it does show that they have a lot of power to do what they think is best and many times, not everyone is going to agree or like it,

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

All legal and within their authority. No one has to like it. We can still hope They will find a way to help.

Yes, it's legal for them to do most anything they want to do. It is a matter of allowances towards a certain subset of the affected and the thought whether that was appropriate - ie, wrong - or not. Exceptions for all or for none would have been more understandable and probably more appropriate.

 

[Sandisw]

Yes, it's legal for them to do most anything they want to do. It is a matter of allowances towards a certain subset of the affected and the thought whether that was appropriate - ie, wrong - or not. Exceptions for all or for none would have been more understandable and probably more appropriate.

I definitely agree it would have made people less angry. And, maybe when this is done, they will have found a way, especially since they do have OTU points that could be used in place of those expiring points that would seem to get around the entire double banking or even late banking rules,

 

[JohnGypsy]

"They don't "owe us" anything for having to be closed due to a global pandemic. "

Once again, there are no FL state orders closing hotels and resorts as I understand it. As a matter of fact, I'm quite certain they were deemed "essential services."

Yes, I know you keep repeating it. We get it. You don't think they needed to close. Most of the rest of the world disagrees with you. Just because it wasn't required by LAW doesn't mean that it wasn't the right things to do.

It wasn't "essential" for you to visit a DVC resort. The hotels that are open because they are considered "essential" is because they may be for some people.

Note that Florida DID restrict "vacation rentals" and such from what I understand -- they don't consider those essential. So, this seems closer to that than a normal hotel, IMO.

But, yes, I think we're all aware that you disagree with that and apparently think they should have just stayed open.

 

[tjm236]

I don't see it as being they should have stayed open instead of closing so they owe us something. I think they owe us something because it was handled poorly, both by allowing late banking for a short time and also by changing the rules to allow unborrowing. Not to mention when late banking was allowed, people that had reservations after 3/31 were specifically asked to wait to call so the call volume from March reservations could be handled. Then they changed their stance on late banking. So by trying to help them, you end up hurting yourself.

Everything they was did was supposedly per the POS. What I think they owe us is an explanation regarding how this was in our best interest (the rule changes, not the closure). If it was then nothing else is owed to us. If it wasn't, it's a different story.

 

[Sandisw]

I don't see it as being they should have stayed open instead of closing so they owe us something. I think they owe us something because it was handled poorly, both by allowing late banking for a short time and also by changing the rules to allow unborrowing. Not to mention when late banking was allowed, people that had reservations after 3/31 were specifically asked to wait to call so the call volume from March reservations could be handled. Then they changed their stance on late banking. So by trying to help them, you end up hurting yourself.

Everything they was did was supposedly per the POS. What I think they owe us is an explanation regarding how this was in our best interest (the rule changes, not the closure). If it was then nothing else is owed to us. If it wasn't, it's a different story.

I think there are some people who have mentioned wanting to email to get that explanation. Hopefully they will report back what info they get.

 

[Tokyochip]

Greetings from Tokyo and I hope everyone is staying safe & well!

I need your advises - I have a reservation at Tokyo Disney hotel in end of May with “reservation” points, total 80pts (20pts from June UY 2019 and 60pts borrowed from June UY 2020), however I don’t think they can reopen until then since Tokyo is right now fighting with corona virus...

So I would like to know, is there any method how to convert reservation points back to regular vacation points and return to original UY?
I understand normal regulations, but I hope there is any ways in this unexpected situation.

Thank you for your helps!

 

[Sandisw]

Greetings from Tokyo and I hope everyone is staying safe & well!

I need your advises - I have a reservation at Tokyo Disney hotel in end of May with “reservation” points, total 80pts (20pts from June UY 2019 and 60pts borrowed from June UY 2020), however I don’t think they can reopen until then since Tokyo is right now fighting with corona virus...

So I would like to know, is there any method how to convert reservation points back to regular vacation points and return to original UY?
I understand normal regulations, but I hope there is any ways in this unexpected situation.

Thank you for your helps!

Unfortunately, no they can’t do that, When they converted your points, a villa was taken and sold for cash to pay for the trade.

There is no way to turn them back into vacation points for DVC.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

Greetings from Tokyo and I hope everyone is staying safe & well!

I need your advises - I have a reservation at Tokyo Disney hotel in end of May with “reservation” points, total 80pts (20pts from June UY 2019 and 60pts borrowed from June UY 2020), however I don’t think they can reopen until then since Tokyo is right now fighting with corona virus...

So I would like to know, is there any method how to convert reservation points back to regular vacation points and return to original UY?
I understand normal regulations, but I hope there is any ways in this unexpected situation.

Thank you for your helps!

That would be an exception and it is not an exception they are offering to do.

 

[WilsonFlyer]

Yes, I know you keep repeating it. We get it. You don't think they needed to close. Most of the rest of the world disagrees with you. Just because it wasn't required by LAW doesn't mean that it wasn't the right things to do.

It wasn't "essential" for you to visit a DVC resort. The hotels that are open because they are considered "essential" is because they may be for some people.

Note that Florida DID restrict "vacation rentals" and such from what I understand -- they don't consider those essential. So, this seems closer to that than a normal hotel, IMO.

But, yes, I think we're all aware that you disagree with that and apparently think they should have just stayed open.

It is presumptuous for you to assume that you somehow know that I wanted them to stay open. Then there's the legal obligation to close v. the judgement of management to close the resorts. Separate those.

 

[Sandisw]

It is presumptuous for you to assume that you somehow know that I wanted them to stay open. Then there's the legal obligation to close v. the judgement of management to close the resorts. Separate those.

Correct, In this case, though, they met the legal requirement that put the choice to stay open or close into their hands.

 

[taaren]

I'm going to lose 20 points. We had Memorial Day weekend, the 23-25 booked. The first night was on my Oct UY contract, I was able to cancel and bank those points into 2020 so I could book a weekend in February that is available. The second night was using my 2019 June UY points, those apparently are just ... expiring.

The only thing that kind of bugged me was that I stated when I called to the CM, I'd like to move both of these nights to Feb, when there is availability, and so he cancelled both nights, banked my Oct UY points, made the booking for Feb, then told me I couldn't move my June UY points forward. (I honestly didn't know if they were borrowed 2020 points, I booked trip 9 months ago, planned this AP year long before that!)

If I had known that before, I would have asked them not to cancel the night of May 24, which now can't be booked. If the points can't be used after June 1, 2020, even if the parks aren't open and by some miracle Newsom allows hotels to open by the end of May, I think it would be worth it to go spend a night at my home resort. Or just letting the night go unused since its a lot more likely the resorts will still be closed.

I guess the good news is I used most of my 2019 points in Sept/Dec/Feb of 19-20 from this contract, I just was so excited to have the perfect Disney Annual Pass/DVC year booked with 5 different weekends from Sept 19-Sept 20 and now, not so much.

The CM kept pushing the RCI option. I don't think 20 points can get anything good in RCI, and quite honestly I'm not a fan of most of the properties RCI has in any location I'd like to use it in.

Posting to follow along in case anyone hears any news. I know I could just press "Watch thread" but this seemed like the best place to sort-of vent and commiserate with all the June UY members.

 

[taaren]

That was a very welcome email to receive from DVC!

 

[FSUSammy]

That was a very welcome email to receive from DVC!

Agreed!!!!

 

[carli_h]

Yes really good news! Although I do feel sorry for those who converted points to RCI.