JonBenet Ramsey - a question for those who follow this story

[Sandy Cross]

Then how were they able to control his violent outbursts in the future? Or should that be, than how were they able to control his violent outbursts in the future? I'm getting confused.

It is possible Burke is getting therapy. Medical records are confidential.

 

[wilkeliza]

You see I'm not saying he meant to murder her I'm saying he hit her and she died as a result. I think if you told a child that they could be taken away and put in jail that could scare them enough to keep quiet in my opinion. I think he had anger issues and I think keeping quiet is different then not controlling a violent outburst.

The Ramsay's had a ton of money. If Patsy or Burke had accidentally killed JB (especially Burke) they would have known to just lawyer up and end up with community service or staging a horrible crime and further torturing the body of their beloved daughter.

 

[mnrose]

Both theories have a lot of possibilities and there is evidence that could go either way I just think there is more evidence that points to an accidental killing. I mean even if it was Burke who hit Jon Benet with the flashlight I don't think he meant for her to die. I think John and Patsy were blindsided when they found Jon Benet dead and knew their little boy was responsible. They knew they lost Jon Benet and now they would lose Burke too they went into protection mode and covered up the accidental killing so far that's my opinion on what may have happened.

Wait....I thought you said earlier upthread that there were hair ties all over the bathroom, and that Patsy was dying JonBenet's hair, and they argued and JonBenet hit her head and was near death, and so they "finished her off" (rather than call 911) for reasons unknown. Wasn't that you who posted that? That was so ridiculous it made me LOL. Now, you've changed to Burke with a flashlight. Is this a Clue game?

 

[cabanafrau]

It is possible Burke is getting therapy. Medical records are confidential.

They are? Makes you wonder if there's any possibility there could be a medical diagnosis which could explain Burke's coming off as "odd" and arousing suspicion in the first place? Sure would be sad if people have publicly speculated and convicted him in the court of public opinion for a couple of decades now simply for not appearing "normal".

 

[Sandy Cross]

The Ramsay's had a ton of money. If Patsy or Burke had accidentally killed JB (especially Burke) they would have known to just lawyer up and end up with community service or staging a horrible crime and further torturing the body of their beloved daughter.

I believe they were not thinking rationally and were possibly in shock I am pretty sure if the coverup was their doing they now wish they had done things differently.

 

[nugov2]

All your opinion and just as far fetched as an intruder stomping through their house writing notes going to the laundry room to get Jon Benet's favorite blanket and Barbie night gown and feeding her pineapple and knowing what John's bonus was and knowing the movies they had in their video collection in their bedroom and knowing what staircase to put the ransom note on since there were multiple staircases all while the family slept upstairs oh and Patsy slept in the same clothes and makeup she wore to the Christmas Party the night before. I think you might be right aliens....

Why is the intruder Frankenstein stomping through the house? My mistake I thought most intruders knew quiet is key. Maybe this intruder was a stalker who knew JBR and "loved" her and cared for her before killing her as is proven to be the way many killers act. They think they are showing love to their victims by dressing them in their favorite clothes and treating them with care after their death....that happens all the time.

Maybe it was a friend of the family who studied them and knew things about them or maybe wasn't a friend but had been in the house before stalking JBR and the family and studying them. Not hard to do in a house with no security and one that the family is frequently gone and attending publicly known events such as pageants with a time frame. The house was massive the person could have easily been in and out of that house undetected. Stalkers are often and unfortunately good at their job which includes learning everything they can about their target, going in and taken personal belongings of their target all undetected. This wouldn't be the first time a stalker successfully did all those things prior to the victim being murdered at the hands of their stalker.

You see I'm not saying he meant to murder her I'm saying he hit her and she died as a result. I think if you told a child that they could be taken away and put in jail that could scare them enough to keep quiet in my opinion. I think he had anger issues and I think keeping quiet is different then not controlling a violent outburst.

It takes a long time to convince a child to comply with this big of a lie that would have the emotional impact that killing your sibling would have, to the extent they'd never crack under pressure. I can't imagine they could pull that off in an hour or two all while under extreme stress. Icertainly don't think he'd have been so happy go lucky in the interviews...he would be petrified and afraid to speak for fear of being put in jail. Again they had very limited time to do everything.

It is possible Burke is getting therapy. Medical records are confidential.

Where are the reports of his impulsive violent behavior prior to this. How did he hide it for 9 years?

 

[LisaR]

You see I'm not saying he meant to murder her I'm saying he hit her and she died as a result. I think if you told a child that they could be taken away and put in jail that could scare them enough to keep quiet in my opinion. I think he had anger issues and I think keeping quiet is different then not controlling a violent outburst.

Between the ages of six and nine he had violent outbursts where he regularly bashed his sister over the head with golf clubs and a flashlight, but then he killed her and it....cured him? Did his violent outbursts just disappear. OMG! Do you think he killed Patsy, too? Cancer? No way. I think you are onto something. He killed his own mother! That's why John didn't stop him from going on Dr. Phil. He fears for his own life. Mystery solved!

Super Burke:
Scrawny 9 y/o by day, strongest boy in the world by night
Zero control over violent outbursts, complete control over his mouth
Able to kill with one single blow to the head and cover it up like a seasoned pro

 

[Sandy Cross]

Wait....I thought you said earlier upthread that there were hair ties all over the bathroom, and that Patsy was dying JonBenet's hair, and they argued and JonBenet hit her head and was near death, and so they "finished her off" (rather than call 911) for reasons unknown. Wasn't that you who posted that? That was so ridiculous it made me LOL. Now, you've changed to Burke with a flashlight. Is this a Clue game?

That was a theory I never said I agreed with it I posted several theories I have heard to get others opinions on them. You are all thinking what I posted was what I thought but I was posting theories I had heard there are many more I guess I won't post since you will attribute them to me also.

 

[wilkeliza]

I believe they were not thinking rationally and were possibly in shock I am pretty sure if the coverup was their doing they now wish they had done things differently.

Not thinking rationally but enough in their mind to make complex knots and get just 1 person's DNA off of a toilet seat from g-d knows where on Christmas eve. Ok gotcha.

 

[mnrose]

They couldn't have had more than an hour or so to coach him. Patsy had to put on her makeup and write a three page ransom note while watching movies to get quotes (because lets be real who remembers quotes from movies when their beloved child has just been killed by their other child). JR had to construct the garrote and strangle his daughter, run to the gas station and get just one persons dna sample. All of this occured in 7 hours if JBR was killed at 10. This timeline gives them no time to grieve, freak out and take time to plan this decision. At best they had 1 hour to coach him while successfully carrying out the other tasks they had to accomplish to stage the crime scene. How all of that plus the type of coaching required to convince a 9 year old to stay quiet all done in 7 hours...that so unlikely to have occured I have to agree with the alien theory a pp suggested. I mean we weren't there so we don't know aliens didn't help carry out the plan. Maybe JR is tight with aliens and they helped him out.

I think they probably hypnotized him. They could have looked that up on the internet, and trained themselves to do that. Oh, that's right, there wasn't much of an internet back then. I know. They ran to the library, broke in, found the book, and then trained themselves in hypnosis. John probably stopped on his way back from the gas station. . I mean, as long as we are speculating about wild theories, we might as well get super crazy, huh?

 

[wilkeliza]

That was a theory I never said I agreed with it I posted several theories I have heard to get others opinions on them. You are all thinking what I posted was what I thought but I was posting theories I had heard there are many more I guess I won't post since you will attribute them to me also.

You aren't making that clear. You say things like "I think ....." why not just put "Hey guys one crazy theory I read on line is ..... What do you guys think?" when you said I think or I believe it comes off as being your opinion and not just a retelling of something you found online.

 

[nugov2]

I think they probably hypnotized him. They could have looked that up on the internet, and trained themselves to do that. Oh, that's right, there wasn't much of an internet back then. I know. They ran to the library, broke in, found the book, and then trained themselves in hypnosis. John probably stopped on his way back from the gas station. . I mean, as long as we are speculating about wild theories, we might as well get super crazy, huh?

They were a well educated family with a lot of money, so really thats possible. Maybe he got the dna from the library bathroom. Two birds with one stone.

 

[Sandy Cross]

Why is the intruder Frankenstein stomping through the house? My mistake I thought most intruders knew quiet is key. Maybe this intruder was a stalker who knew JBR and "loved" her and cared for her before killing her as is proven to be the way many killers act. They think they are showing love to their victims by dressing them in their favorite clothes and treating them with care after their death....that happens all the time.

Maybe it was a friend of the family who studied them and knew things about them or maybe wasn't a friend but had been in the house before stalking JBR and the family and studying them. Not hard to do in a house with no security and one that is frequently gone and attending publicly known events such as pageants with a time frame. The house was massive the person could have easily been in and out of that house undetected. Stalkers and often and unfortunately good at their job which includes learning everything they can about their target, going in and taken personal belongings of their target all undetected. This wouldn't be the first time a stalker successfully did all those things prior to the victim being murdered at the hands of their stalker.



It takes a ling time to convince a child to comply with this to the extent they'd never crack under pressure. I certainly don't think he'd have been so happygo lucky in the interviews...he would be petrified and afraid to speak for fear of being put in jail. Again they had very limited time to do all everything.



Where are the reports of his impulsive violent behavior prior to this. How did he hide it for 9 years?

Friends of John and Patsy have said to them image was everything maybe they didn't want anyone to know that their son had emotional issues and we don't know that he hid it there could have been many incidents we know nothing about and they could have been escalating.

 

[gwynne]

That was a theory I never said I agreed with it I posted several theories I have heard to get others opinions on them. You are all thinking what I posted was what I thought but I was posting theories I had heard there are many more I guess I won't post since you will attribute them to me also.

It's hard to tell which are theories you read and which you subscribe to.
Sometimes it's helps to say, I read __________ at another forum, but my opinion is__________.

 

[cabanafrau]

I think they probably hypnotized him. They could have looked that up on the internet, and trained themselves to do that. Oh, that's right, there wasn't much of an internet back then. I know. They ran to the library, broke in, found the book, and then trained themselves in hypnosis. John probably stopped on his way back from the gas station. . I mean, as long as we are speculating about wild theories, we might as well get super crazy, huh?

There's no point in sending the thread off to the absurd. Let's stick to logical speculation.

He saw an Oprah episode where they talked about multitasking a few days before and he picked up the DNA from the library while he was getting the book on hypnosis. Nobody was at the library to see him and he simply slipped in and out undetected, just like he did in and out of his home.

 

[cabanafrau]

Friends of John and Patsy have said to them image was everything maybe they didn't want anyone to know that their son had emotional issues and we don't know that he hid it there could have been many incidents we know nothing about and they could have been escalating.

But there's no reports of them since the murder -- with incredible public speculation about them 20 years after the case?

 

[Sandy Cross]

You aren't making that clear. You say things like "I think ....." why not just put "Hey guys one crazy theory I read on line is ..... What do you guys think?" when you said I think or I believe it comes off as being your opinion and not just a retelling of something you found online.

I actually thought you all would have heard those theories before and would have known they weren't mine I'll be more careful.

 

[Sandy Cross]

There's no point in sending the thread off to the absurd. Let's stick to logical speculation.

He saw an Oprah episode where they talked about multitasking a few days before and he picked up the DNA from the library while he was getting the book on hypnosis. Nobody was at the library to see him and he simply slipped in and out undetected, just like he did in and out of his home.

Wow you all are hilarious

 

[cabanafrau]

I actually thought you all would have heard those theories before and would have know they weren't mine I'll be more careful.

But you said they were your opinions, not accusations. Now they're not your opinions, they're theories you picked up elsewhere?

 

[gwynne]

I actually thought you all would have heard those theories before and would have know they weren't mine I'll be more careful.

Well, it's hard to keep track of everyone's theories. Stating what you think specifically is always helpful.
It's usually that way in any forum, and that goes double for crime forums. (In this case, it's a subject thread at the DIS.)
Posters come and go, new ideas surface, old ideas resurface....