Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 8

[3prettyprincesses]

Kate's response to the lawsuit:
http://www.usmagazine.com/momsbabie...ms-new-lawsuit-kids-are-so-proud-of-me-201064

I'm having flashbacks to their whole war of tabloid words from last year! Jon said this, Kate said this, blah blah blah.

I'm still amazed at the amount of $ Jon is paying though. How do 8 small children require $240,000 a year? Good lord, my dad didn't pay anywhere near that for my sister and I when my parents divorced. What is all that $ going towards? Child support seems pretty self explanatory...money that supports the children. What are the Gosselin kids doing that requires $22,000 a month? Tuition for school? It's ridiculous.

ETA: Holy cow, the close up of her outfit from last night...Doris, let's bleach our eyes again!! LOL!

 

[madge]

I'm still amazed at the amount of $ Jon is paying though. How do 8 small children require $240,000 a year? Good lord, my dad didn't pay anywhere near that for my sister and I when my parents divorced. What is all that $ going towards? Child support seems pretty self explanatory...money that supports the children. What are the Gosselin kids doing that requires $22,000 a month? Tuition for school? It's ridiculous.

I agree! way back when, there was that paper that Kate was seen making copies of, that had their expenses and such listed on it. I don't remember that being anywhere near $22,000/month.

 

[DMRick]

without being snarky, why anyone would think that might have to do with the perception of Kate's entitlement attitude, if you (the general you) believe she has one. I think that's the simplest answer.

And I guess my response to that would be I don't see her entitlement attitude. Maybe that's why she still has fans...we don't see what you are seeing.
I see someone who is working at something she likes, that hopes it will continue, that will also help her provide for her children in the way they (and her) have grown used to and maybe let her put money aside for when the entertainment jobs end. She wants to earn a lot of money, not nurses pay (which isn't that good once the sitter is paid, and I doubt she would get a job that just happens to be the same hours the kids are in school, and that's if she would be hired, she's been out of the field awhile and comes with baggage) to keep everything going. We've found out more recently that they didn't make a zillion dollars, and I assume it will take some money to keep that lifestyle going. And that's her choice. Maybe some here would make a different choice, but at least Kate is trying to work for the money she's earning. If no one thinks doing what she is doing is not work, well, I certainly couldn't convince you otherwise.

 

[DMRick]

I haven't heard Kate say she was hard up, except for when Jon took a lot of money out. All of what you mentioned was in the past. This is now. Now she is a mom doing the best she can...and she wants her children to have all that they have had in the past. She may have to give that up at some point..but for now, she is working hard. I'd be interested in knowing if she's seeing money from Jon.

My children deserve the best I can give them, and I would fight for what I felt they needed. My wants and needs may differ from yours.

Were the kids in school before they started being on TV? I can't remember. But if they were and they were offered a scholarship, was it wrong of her to take advantage of that? I don't get that part.

One of the many reasons that the Gosselins are so polarizing is the fact that Kate has said she and her kids deserve certain things. This is called entitlement. She is owed nothing. When they couldn't make a buck, they would gladly use someone else's.

When they were "poor" the kids went to private school (on scholarships) and they moved into a 4000 square foot house that they quickly outgrew.

None of this is bad, but stop pretending you are hard up. It's insulting. That's all.

 

[Hillbeans]

Just saw on people that Kate Major (remember her???) and Michael Lohan are engaged........what a pair.

 

[madge]

And I guess my response to that would be I don't see her entitlement attitude. Maybe that's why she still has fans...we don't see what you are seeing.

exactly. people have always seen Kate differently.. I don't expect that will ever change. LOL

I see someone who is working at something she likes, that hopes it will continue, that will also help her provide for her children in the way they (and her) have grown used to and maybe let her put money aside for when the entertainment jobs end.

that's what she's doing, something she likes. I completely agree .. but it's not very often you hear her say she's doing DWTS because she likes it. I heard her mention wanting to be on a soap opera or talk show some months ago, but not lately. Kate paints a picture of needing to work to provide for her children, suggesting if she doesn't then they won't have anything. That isn't a very honest picture of what life is like, though. Not with Jon's $22,000/month child support.

We've found out more recently that they didn't make a zillion dollars, and I assume it will take some money to keep that lifestyle going. And that's her choice.

is there a link to that info? I must have missed that in my Gosselin-free days. LOL I'd love to read it!

 

[mikki'smom]

I'm not trying to be argumentative, but the double-standard where Kate is concerned amazes me. The fact of the matter is that she is just as much of a celebrity as many others who bear that title. By definition a celebrity is anyone who is famous. I also think that she is wise to do the most with her "celebrity" while she can. The only reason that most of us are even remotely interested with DWTS this season is because she is on it. I also fail to see the "shame" in profiting from her fame rather than going back into nursing. Seriously, would you do it if you were in her shoes? There may come a time when she will have to do this, but I seriously doubt it. Kate is a smart girl. Unlike many "celebrities" who don't know how to adjust to keep going, Kate is proving that she will be around for a while. Those who outlast their "15 minutes" must have some skills. We would all agree that her skills probably don't include professional dancing....but there's a lot to be said for having "true grit" and not backing down from a challenge just because the "naysayers" in your life try to hold you back.....I'm done for now...

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Just saw on people that Kate Major (remember her???) and Michael Lohan are engaged........what a pair.

Surely you jest! It's a joke, right? This is crazy. Although they both act crazy so maybe it's a match made in heaven. Ick. Why Jon ever associated himself with these 2 is beyond me.

 

[walden]

There is a hill just behind the house and garage. It slopes down. Actually we see the pictures when they are out front. We don't see the pictures when they are out back, yet it has been said in one of the articles just today, that they do play out back. Maybe it depends on what they are playing with. We didn't cook out front (don't they usually cook on their back patio?) but we did hang there a lot when the kids were young. Families on my street still do.
It is her house and she still has the right to complain when photo's are taken. When you look up the drive from the road, there are several trees..they must have to work at it to get those photo's, and have one heck of a lense.

Wow, that is an amazing knowledge of the property. Is there something you have not been telling us -- perhaps your last visit there?

As the Gosselins (both) do apparently know that playing in the front is subject to pap pictures (they have been shown enough), then they are totally complicit in photo ops. They are not exactly living in surburbia any more and have acres for the kids to play in. If they object to paps taking pictures of the kids, they could perhaps sacrifice a few bucks and put up a privacy fence or a concrete area in a private spot. Honest, that would only cost a few thousand and it would surely be worth it to protect the kids' privacy.

He's suing for sole custody of 8 kids? Doesnt he understand that IF he gets this, he will have to hang up his days chilling out on boats, and club hopping? He's such a selfish SOB!

I think he is only suing for *primary* custody, not sole, and a reduction in child support. He has been a total idiot in the last couple of years, but I keep hoping he will get his head straight sometime. He was a pretty good dad in the early days. The kids seem to love him.

without being snarky, why anyone would think that might have to do with the perception of Kate's entitlement attitude, if you (the general you) believe she has one. I think that's the simplest answer.

IMO, if Kate were truly concerned about providing for the children .. then she'd make changes to her lifestyle in preparation for the possibility that she might not have the career she desires. People do that all the time. And for all we know, Kate may have done some of the things I've done recently: reviewed utility bills and contacted the companies to see if I qualify for lower priced options, cut coupons (I had gotten out of the habit after the holidays), quit eating out so much, consolidating trips to town to save on gas, etc. Those are all simple things that have an effect on my bottom line without compromising my lifestyle in any way. And I'll repeat, she may have already done those things. We'll never know. But from outward appearances, Kate doesn't give the impression that she's cutting back in any way.

Jon pays $20,000/month in child support. $240,000 a year. Even without her DWTS income, Kate's residuals from books & appearances, and contract from TLC .. that's a nice income. I think if Kate was truly in financial trouble, then we'd be hearing about it.

Yes. When I think of the number of single Moms I know who have downsized, moved house, are still wearing clothes from 4 years ago, work more than 2 jobs to try to make ends meet, and do not have nannies even with child support, I do wonder about Kate's entitlement issues and her pity party.

 

[madge]

This is now. Now she is a mom doing the best she can...and she wants her children to have all that they have had in the past.

that's not what she says most of the time. Kate says she's working to provide for her children. Just a single mom working to provide for her children.

Interestingly, she doesn't use the word support. Just provide.

and I think if Jon wasn't paying, we'd hear about it. or we will... LOL

 

[madge]

Unlike many "celebrities" who don't know how to adjust to keep going, Kate is proving that she will be around for a while.

by doing what?

 

[DMRick]

is there a link to that info? I must have missed that in my Gosselin-free days. LOL I'd love to read it!

That came out when TLC went after Jon and Jon tried to counter suit saying they weren't paid enough and all the other nonsense that went with that. They really were poorly represented.
As for liking or not liking DWTS, I admit she might not be liking it so much. As for providing versus supporting..he says tomato I say tomatoe.

Wow, that is an amazing knowledge of the property. Is there something you have not been telling us -- perhaps your last visit there?

When did I say I visited there?
Way back when they showed them in the yard, near the swing set that they had in that area, and in the pool, you could see the hill (they have also planted more bushes, that doesn't show up in the older google pictures). Also, when they ate at the table right outside the cellar..you could see a hill. I wouldn't say it's amazing, but that I used my eyes. You may not have still been watching the show, on the occasions they have showed the back.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

She could easily earn a living being working in the Medical field like she used to. In fact plenty of people probably do the same job, with the same number of children to feed.

Kate, however, feels she needs to life a certain "level" of lifestyle. One that I don't think she initially wanted, but got used to thanks to the freebies given out by TLC over the years.

Many moons ago, when TLC did a one-off type show about Kate & Jon, Kate seemed very humble and enjoyed the life they had. Her selfishness and want for "Champagne-dreams" seemed to evolve over the years, and it has created the ugly Kate we now see, striving for every bit of attention, under the guise of "doing it for the children."

Respectfully--she is entitled to market herself as she sees fit and if she can work and profit as a personality (not saying it is a positive personality), that is her right.

Clearly she has a lifestyle to support and needs a corresponding income.

However--it is within her rights and none of us has the right to dictate what career path she could take. We can hide behind the curtain of--"well she made it public and we have the right to judge"....that's fine.

However, it seems that many of us have what our ideal parenting style would be and we should be extremely careful of transposing our beliefs onto other families.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

When did I say I visited there?
Way back when they showed them in the yard, near the swing set that they had in that area, and in the pool, you could see the hill (they have also planted more bushes, that doesn't show up in the older google pictures). Also, when they ate at the table right outside the cellar..you could see a hill. I wouldn't say it's amazing, but that I used my eyes. You may not have still been watching the show, on the occasions they have showed the back.

Doris, you're cracking me up! I agree though and remember when we discussed their property in detail last year! Wasn't in regards to where Jon wanted to place those crooked house playhouses? Something like that!

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

One of the many reasons that the Gosselins are so polarizing is the fact that Kate has said she and her kids deserve certain things. This is called entitlement. She is owed nothing. When they couldn't make a buck, they would gladly use someone else's.

When they were "poor" the kids went to private school (on scholarships) and they moved into a 4000 square foot house that they quickly outgrew.

None of this is bad, but stop pretending you are hard up. It's insulting. That's all.

Wholeheartedly agree!!!!

 

[madge]

That came out when TLC went after Jon and Jon tried to counter suit saying they weren't paid enough and all the other nonsense that went with that. They really were poorly represented

I do remember all that .. I thought maybe there was more.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Kate's response to the lawsuit:
http://www.usmagazine.com/momsbabie...ms-new-lawsuit-kids-are-so-proud-of-me-201064

I can't help but laugh at the title of the article and the accompanying picture.

Makes me question what exactly is she doing to "work".
Yes--that is how bad that outfit and hairdo are.

Kate Gosselin Slams New Lawsuit: I'm "a Single Working Mom"

 

[DMRick]

by doing what?

It's obvious some think she does nothing right. I have seen where she has done some things wrong, or at least differently than I would have. But she seems to do some things right. She IS on DWTS. A lot of celebrities more famous than her would prob like that chance. She has managed to get more than her 15 minutes. Someone once posted here that I got the incorrect info when I asked her publisher if another book was coming out. I got a form note. The other person got a personal letter and said they got more than one response and the publisher was absolutely not going to publish for Kate again. Well, guess what? They are. Why would they do that? Because Kate is still drawing people.
She is still around.

As for us hearing if Jon wasn't paying $20,000 in child support. My ears are waiting LOL. Where would he get that kind of money? I can't wait to see if he's actually paying it. If that is the amount, what an idiot he must have had for a lawyer, or he had money and deals coming in that we didn't pick up on.

Do I want Jon to be the main person in charge of those children? Not now. First, Kate would have to be proven to not be as fit as Jon. I think that will be hard to prove.

Once thing I can say about both of them, is they have the ability to still have people arguing over if what they do is right and good, or best for the kids. That shows staying power LOL.

Another thought. Didn't Jon make a deal with the devil (TLC) that if they dropped the charges and free him up, the kids could come back to TV? I can't rememebr just how that was worded..but he's not who I want to have physical custody, if so.

 

[madge]

As for liking or not liking DWTS, I admit she might not be liking it so much.

I don't think we'll ever know. not now, anyway.

As for providing versus supporting..he says tomato I say tomatoe.

maybe... but providing is the word she's using. Kate Gosselin has done a fantastic job of sticking to the prepared speech/script, she always has.

 

[DMRick]

Oh stop, now I have to get the bleach out again.

I can't help but laugh at the title of the article and the accompanying picture.

Makes me question what exactly is she doing to "work".
Yes--that is how bad that outfit and hairdo are.