Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 8

[Lisa loves Pooh]

What if Jon has been working as an IT the whole time since the divorce? He could be doing that from anywhere. He probably is spending more time with the kids. He was always shown as hands on. Then would it be okay for him to ask for custody? Maybe Jon sees that Kate being away so much is affecting the kids. The only thing I remember Jon doing was making poor personal choices. I don't remember Jon making bad parenting decisions. Kate seems to fly off the handle more, etc.
I think things can go both ways. I am not saying Kate is a bad mom. I think there are lots of things that are not being taken into consideration. Kate is a single mom, okay noted. But she did not have to chose a job where she would be away so much. Sherri on The View also said it was offered to her, ut she turned it down because she wanted to be with her son. Kate seems to have plenty of time for herself with the kids in school (or maybe it just seems that way to me because both of mine aren't ). She could work a 40 hour work week doing anything between the time the kids arein school and the time Jon gets them.

He can ask--but since custody has already provided and he is requesting a change by putting Kate in a bad light versus putting himself in an improved light--the chances of him getting it changed are slim.

His time to make the case was in the beginning.

Kate has done nothing wrong and the courts have no reason to take away her primary custody just b/c Jon wants to make a stink that she's done bad. Calling her an absentee mom? It wont' fly. I've known parents with much suckier situations and I'm not kidding when I say that unless Kate is doing meth or something else illicit, it is an uphill battle for Jon to prove anything.


Such a sick and twisted society that the moms are held to a higher standard than the dads. He wasn't so present while having his "I'm too young" moments pre and post separation.

Sherri on the view, from my understanding had a very ugly custody battle. Jon and Kate didn't even come close to a custody battle. They had an ugly divorce--but it was pretty open and shut on custody since I think he pretty much signed off on giving her primary. You really cannot compare the two.

And just b/c one chooses an away job, doesn't make them unfit enough to lose their custody status. It's an unfair and unjust stipulation to place. It isn't like she's in Afghanistan in a war zone.

It's hypocritical.


As for Jon--there isn't an IT job in the world that can afford him to pay $22K per month. If he were gainfully employed, we would have heard about it.

I don't know about you--but that is $264,000 JUST to pay his child support each year. Don't you think that he'd--announce that? Additionally--if indeed he were receiving such a humongous salary....he'd have to be busting his butt working. Outside of the land of informercials--the real world folks have to work a lot harder than an 8 hour work day to get that kind of cash in their pocket.

I just don't get why Kate is held to a higher standard to keep a regular job just b/c she has primary custody.

It makes no logical sense.

It may not be what you or I choose--but that doesn't make her ineligible for primary custody either.

 

[DVCisME]

I think that there is a big difference from being a stay at home parent to children under school age and to being a stay at home parent to school age children. I say this becuase my one child is in school and another is not. When they are in school, as all the Gosselin children now are, there is a break. Before this year there were 8 kids home 24/7. I would imagine for anyone now would be an easier time to be the stay at home parent as opposed to the last 5 years of the Gosselin children's lives.

 

[DVCisME]

I am not saying I am pro-Jon. I just think that there are a lot of things in regards to the Gosselins that are not taken into consideration. I also believe that the reason for this is because people become emotionally involved, like some how because people see things in this situation it is a personal attack if one parents the same way.
I think it is not necessary just the fact that Kate/Jon travel. I think the main concern or priority should be the children's mental well being. I would imagine that the children need a stable parent.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I think that there is a big difference from being a stay at home parent to children under school age and to being a stay at home parent to school age children. I say this becuase my one child is in school and another is not. When they are in school, as all the Gosselin children now are, there is a break. Before this year there were 8 kids home 24/7. I would imagine for anyone now would be an easier time to be the stay at home parent as opposed to the last 5 years of the Gosselin children's lives.

True enough--there is a big difference.

It isn't enough to grant Jon primary custody, though.

He gave it to Kate and he would have to prove her unfit to gain it back. That is virtually impossible unless Kate were abusing herself or the kiddos or committing very illegal acts all of which endanger the children.

It's not about being Team Kate or Team Jon or giving two flips who has the custody. Just that once custody is granted, it is difficult to have it taken away.

Jon could have gotten primary custody and him bar hopping nightly wouldn't be enough for him to lose it even though going out partying and drinking all the time is worse than going and making an income.

 

[cheermom1]

I think why a lot of people are not on her side and want her to down grade and such is b/c she whines about everything, how much money she isn't getting and that she feels that the world owes her just b/c she gave birth to her kids! Plus she whines about the paps and then makes for darn sure they can see them and take pics. I think it is her double standard she is setting for herself. you can;t be in the bizz she is in and always put your self and your kids out there but then complain when they get pics. I am tired of her entitlement crap! even if they down size they will still have a good life from her book deals and other things she is doing, which is more than what most people get. Those kids are not ever going to go with out just b/c their mom is not in the lime light anymore. I really think Kate is the one who thinks she needs the huge life style she has now and doesn;t want to let go, which I understand however some times we as parents need to set our own feels aside and do what is best for our kids. Which goes back to her complaining about the paps but then makes sure her and the kids are seen to get pics. GIVE ME A BREAK!

 

[DVCisME]

True enough--there is a big difference.

It isn't enough to grant Jon primary custody, though.

He gave it to Kate and he would have to prove her unfit to gain it back. That is virtually impossible unless Kate were abusing herself or the kiddos or committing very illegal acts all of which endanger the children.

It's not about being Team Kate or Team Jon or giving two flips who has the custody. Just that once custody is granted, it is difficult to have it taken away.

Jon could have gotten primary custody and him bar hopping nightly wouldn't be enough for him to lose it even though going out partying and drinking all the time is worse than going and making an income.

Agreed!!! Neither Kate or Jon. I just feel things get one sided and there are always things to take into consideration. I think that them going to court is meant to keep them in the spotlight. I also think we don't know nearly as much as we think we do about either of them. One can see both good and bad in Jon/Kate if they tried. That is the only part where I feel like they are just like everyone else.

 

[DVCisME]

I think why a lot of people are not on her side and want her to down grade and such is b/c she whines about everything, how much money she isn't getting and that she feels that the world owes her just b/c she gave birth to her kids! Plus she whines about the paps and then makes for darn sure they can see them and take pics. I think it is her double standard she is setting for herself. you can;t be in the bizz she is in and always put your self and your kids out there but then complain when they get pics. I am tired of her entitlement crap! even if they down size they will still have a good life from her book deals and other things she is doing, which is more than what most people get. Those kids are not ever going to go with out just b/c their mom is not in the lime light anymore. I really think Kate is the one who thinks she needs the huge life style she has now and doesn;t want to let go, which I understand however some times we as parents need to set our own feels aside and do what is best for our kids. Which goes back to her complaining about the paps but then makes sure her and the kids are seen to get pics. GIVE ME A BREAK!

I agree with this too! Interesting how all of a sudden the kids were in the mags again right before her dance about the "p-people".

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

. Which goes back to her complaining about the paps but then makes sure her and the kids are seen to get pics. GIVE ME A BREAK!

You know--more than anything about her performance last night--which I have no doubt was orchestrated by DWTS ...


Papparazzi haven't been an issue with her lately. I mean--I haven't heard a peep in a long while.

I feel the show stirred the pot and they were just having her play the part. Yes the paps have been trouble in the past--and we can argue all night long on whether she caused it or not...but paps are seething little creatures ...

But the show just invited it all back into the spot light. Kate didn't ask for that and the show was....as tacky as can be for calling attention to it.

So many different stories that could have been told...and they stuck her with Lady Gaga.

Shoot--poker face would have been more entertaining.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I agree with this too! Interesting how all of a sudden the kids were in the mags again right before her dance about the "p-people".

Yep!

 

[madge]

Papparazzi haven't been an issue with her lately. I mean--I haven't heard a peep in a long while.

you're right. that small town Gosselin blog said there was one photographer at the house not too long ago. that's hardly hordes of paparazzi. LOL

I feel the show stirred the pot and they were just having her play the part. Yes the paps have been trouble in the past--and we can argue all night long on whether she caused it or not...but paps are seething little creatures ...

But the show just invited it all back into the spot light. Kate didn't ask for that and the show was....as tacky as can be for calling attention to it.

here's a random (and hypothetical) thought. if we're to believe ABC is manipulating Kate's appearance on DWTS as TLC did with JK8, and she's got PR people handling other appearances, etc. How much time is her own, really? It's beginning to sound like Kate has very little say in how her own life goes.

So many different stories that could have been told...and they stuck her with Lady Gaga.

Shoot--poker face would have been more entertaining.

according to Kate, it was the perfect song! and I almost believed her when she said she loves Lady Gaga, LOLOL

 

[OhMari]

Do you think Jon received a large settlement of assests when they divorced? Maybe Kate's lawyer's figured out how much he received, and they figured he can pay it back each month until it is gone. Do you think in a year, if Kate does not receive Jon's support, she would put him on PA most wanted list for non child support?

I can't believe Kate made it another week on DWTS. Her votes have to be from people, that want to see her disasterous dancing. They truly cannot be voting because of her popularity to anything.

 

[Promomx2]

Kate showed more emotion and acting tonight when she found out she wasn't in the bottom two than she did when she was dancing last night.

 

[Art 1]

Kate showed more emotion and acting tonight when she found out she wasn't in the bottom two than she did when she was dancing last night.

She needs the money. Her 15 mins of fame can't last too much longer.

 

[Promomx2]

She needs the money. Her 15 mins of fame can't last too much longer.

I think it's been 14 minutes and 30 seconds tooooo long.

 

[walden]

I was cracking up at Doris' comment, that she used her eyes! That is funny, at least to me. I wasn't commenting on how funny it is that strangers can get a lay of the Gosselin's property. I don't think it's obsessive to discuss them and hardly consider myself an uber fan that is stalking their property. Obviously you're curiously interested since you're here on the thread commenting...:rolleyes1

ETA: I've enjoyed this thread immensely and not because of J&K. I enjoy the ladies here and their points of view.

Yes, I am interested. I've been interested in the phenomenon of Kate & 8 for quite a while. The DIS is really interesting on various perspectives on this rather frightening phenomenom. I must say, not all participants in this thread have been female. And some of the females have not been ladies.

The Gosselins are a Reality Show gone wild with Internet posters going nuts! This is actually one of the politer venues. I read and post here due to academic interest. I did snap into participant observer status at some point. It was when I was stuck in a chair with a busted ankle and read some stuff here that made me

Since then I've liked to share my own perspective, even though some posters hate it, and me. I'm happy to say that I have been told privately that some appreciate my contributions. I also smile at those who seem to love to disagree with me.

I think the Gosselin saga may sometime be the basis for a PHD, but not mine. Been there done that.

That said, and to all of you (general you): Please quit the photos, detailed discussion of the property, location of trees etc. That was the point that DMRICK deliberately (I think) missed. I don't care how observant you are, or how much is shown on TV. You (general you) also must take some responsibility here.

Please, for the love of those little kids, stop helping the (awful, IMO) Gosselin parents in their endeavors to identify the location of the house to predators.

Yes, I know it is out there, but you (general you) can stop perpetuating it. Quit posting the photos of the property. Stop discussing private and not private areas. Stop with the "Oh it was there on TV, so I can see it and it is so OK to discuss it!"

Those poor children are vulnerable. In so many ways.

I am also awaiting the tell all books from those children. They have some trauma to tell.

 

[DMRick]

That said, and to all of you (general you): Please quit the photos, detailed discussion of the property, location of trees etc. That was the point that DMRICK deliberately (I think) missed. I don't care how observant you are, or how much is shown on TV. You (general you) also must take some responsibility here. .

It would not have been deliberate. Because I really don't see your point at all that we should stop the photo's, detailed discussion of the property, location of trees, etc. All of this is on the internet. Even my house is on the internet. I don't remember who posted that older photo from google, but it's not a hard one to find. There are also tons of pictures and lots of reruns to see what the area around the house looks like.
I'm not sure what responsibility you think us (general us) need to take. Really, I just don't get your point. It's nothing deliberate, I just dont.

Also, please don't take things so personally. I quote and seldom even look to see who I am quoting. I respond to something I see written, not to the person. I happen to think all of the gals here are ladies (if we hadn't been, we would have long been shut down). When it's said otherwise, it starts to become personal and I can see no reason to let it get personal.

 

[walden]

ETA: (Nicer thoughts) Kate could have been worse on DWTS.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

here's a random (and hypothetical) thought. if we're to believe ABC is manipulating Kate's appearance on DWTS as TLC did with JK8, and she's got PR people handling other appearances, etc. How much time is her own, really? It's beginning to sound like Kate has very little say in how her own life goes.

On a side note--DWTS I think orchestrates and influences heavily what the contestants will do. So Kate in that regard is no different than any other cast member.

They make it seem like the partner does it all and choose all--and I don't feel that is the case for anyone.

 

[DMRick]

A very ladylike and sensitive response from a person who never gets personal or who seems not to have read the whole post.

Huh? I just stated that I have no idea of what point I just proved. I didn't.
And I don't care (what's to care about, if I have no idea what the point was I proved)...guess that is unladylike

I had read the whole post. Don't know why you thought I didn't. What's the point of this picking? I don't care what you post, but once I read it, I may disagree. And I may respond to it. On a discussion board. Just like you may when I post. I try to not get personal about the posters, although I will get personal about Jon and Kate if I want.

Glad I make you smile.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

That said, and to all of you (general you): Please quit the photos, detailed discussion of the property, location of trees etc. That was the point that DMRICK deliberately (I think) missed. I don't care how observant you are, or how much is shown on TV. You (general you) also must take some responsibility here.

Please, for the love of those little kids, stop helping the (awful, IMO) Gosselin parents in their endeavors to identify the location of the house to predators.

I regret to inform you that it is too little too late.

I haven't studied the property, but I have a vague memory just from one overhead shot.

You frequent the thread and post on it--so begging any of us to take responsibilty is a bit of pot meet kettle.

Thank google maps for the access if you wish to assess proper blame.

Pretty much every property in the US is public record. Not sure on the public records laws of PA, but in FL--with just some minor sleuthing, if one could call it that--if you know someone's name and approximation of where they live, it isn't all that hard to locate tax records.

One needn't be a predator to have access. While your thoughts are noble--they are noble in thought only. In reality--where you live is public record. Faulting Jon and Kate for not remaining in anonymity--once they had a show, they could be found.

So please stop preaching to others--noone is violating disboard guidelines or contributing to the compromise of the children's safety.