Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 5

[3prettyprincesses]

A recap from last night's episode...

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Jon Gosselin: It's "Constantly Annoying" When Kate Gosselin YellsUs Magazine - 1 hour, 6 minutes ago

Kate Gosselin and Jon Gosselin attend Discovery Upfront at Jazz at Lincoln Center on April 2, 2009 in New York City.<br>WireImage.com/Brad BarketUs Magazine On Monday's Jon & Kate Plus 8, Kate Gosselin resumed her "stress relief beach vacation" with her eight children on Bald Head Island, N.C.

Kate said the fact that her future family vacations would be without Jon "was never lost on me the entire time. It was weird to pack alone, to board the bus. It was minus Jon anyway you look at it. Many times everyday it occurred to me this will probably be how it will be."

During the second week of their trip, Kate made the kids bacon and sausage, took them to the beach and to the serpentarium. (The kids also acted out little plays which Kate said they picked up from her. As a kid, Kate used to put on shows for her grandparents. "I have very vivid memoris of - are you surprised - drama!" she said.)

Jon's absence was palpable.

"Daddy's at the house," one of the kids noted; added another, "I miss daddy."

Kate said "I can do the best I can do for my kids... but I can never make up for him. I can't make up for the fact that he's not here. It's difficult."

While the kids were vacationing, Jon was overseeing the kitchen renovations. He said it was odd not having the little ones around. (But he said he was glad Kate wasn't there because she would have been "yelling that there's a mess," which he said would have been "constantly annoying.")

"It's hard to talk about," Jon said of the end of his marriage. "It's a fact of life; this is the way it's going to be. I don't think I'll ever get used to it... but it's becoming more comfortable now."

Twins Mady and Cara left the trip early, as they had to finish school. They were thrilled to see their dad, but were put off by his earrings.

"What's in your ears?" one of them asked. Jon - whose Ed Hardy T-shirt was blurred out - said he'd had his ears pierced since he was 15 and denied he was going through a mid-life crisis.

He said it's "always the way I express myself. Things are coming out a lot more now. This is who I am."

At the end of the show, Kate returned home to see the kitchen renovations Jon had been overseeing.

"I was grouchy that morning when we arrived home," she said, adding that "it probably didn't seem like I was grateful." She added that the kitchen "was beautiful. There was some rearranging that needed to be done... women know what i mean."

http://omg.yahoo.com/news/jon-gosselin-its-constantly-annoying-when-kate-gosselin-yells/26263

 

[DMRick]

He said it was odd not having the little ones around.

Didn't he say something like, usually he's woken up with screaming and yelling. I bet he is enjoying having his own place LOL!


He was right about Kate..it was much better that she wasn't there for the mess.

I thought Mady and Cara were extra cute last night, with their play, and when they fired one of the little ones LOL!

 

[barkley]

My hunch is that there is a certain amount of something (not sure of the word I want to use here ...) where Mady and Cara are concerned at school. They go to a private school and while I have no doubt that the kids are aware that Mady & Cara are famous, but these are their friends and probably all they've ever known.

Most of the tabloid/media exposure has happened in the summer, the divorce was announced after school was out. While it's unrealistic to think that kids wouldn't talk about it .. I'm betting it's more regular kid talk about divorce that you'd hear at any school on any given day. I don't know that it will be amplified because of their fame. I really hope it isn't.

But with that said, most children of divorce don't have their mother giving interviews in the national media about how they reacted to the news of their parents divorce. That's what's bad to me. Those girls don't have the luxury of privacy, thanks to Kate.

no matter how much j or k or anyone may have tried to shield their kids from the (for lack of a better word) "dynamics" of this breakup/divorce the reality is unless a child has been kept in a bubble over the summer they've been exposed to information about it. the major networks have all done teasers during commercial breaks of what i'de consider common/family friendly programming for the morning show type interviews, cable networks have done cross promotions for other cable networks. so even if a person does'nt let their child watch particular cable networks, so many of them are jointly owned by the same companies you end up seeing a promo on the one you let your kid watch for the scandalous update on their co-owned other network. then there's just the realities of life-if kids go to the grocery store they are going to at the very least see the tabloid covers at check out-and they can read the headlines and may well have formed an opinion (dh has ZERO interest in this, we don't talk about it, he does'nt watch the interviews or news on it-but he's got a pretty good idea of the buzz on it just from months of changing tabloid headlines at our local grocery store). if you take your kids to the doctor or the dentist it's the norm that staring up at them from the tables or on the wall racks are 2 or 3 magazines with a gosselin divorce headline or sidebar. take them to get a haircut and FORGET IT-tabloid paradise (and one of the hottest topics of conversation among the women).

my kids have gone to a private school that i can say has among the most "bubbled" school attending kids i've ever run into-no tv in the home, never gone to certain places just because there are ANY kind of video games on the premises (won't take their kids to very family friendly local places because there's one freaking pac-man game in the far corner, big issue over weather the 8th graders would visit a local local water park because when you walked through the lobby you could see, down the way IN A SEPARATE ROOM, video game machines-not the screens-just the physical machines). only let them visit/use the school affiliated library because no sci fi, no fantasy, no "controversial" book titles to be taken out let alone (GASP) see the covers of. the parents of these types of kids think their kids have never been exposed to it therefore know nothing of it- i beg to differ-i've heard their kids talk about the specifics of certain games (and not the "g" ones), know all about harry potter and twilight-know the initmate playing strategy of yugioh and pokemon. i asked my kids how the other kids knew-they said "mom just because their parents don't let them see or play it does'nt mean their other friends on the team sports don't talk about or that's what the other kids during recess are talking about".

it would be realy nice to believe that the twins schoolmates won't say anything about the less than plesant side of this situation but we are talking kids here, and kids talk-they say things to each other that we as parents could die of embarrassment over learning they've said.

you can ask your kids not to talk about something and hopefully the won't, the school can even do a shpeal to the parents to talk to their kids to tell them not to talk but that does'nt mean all parents will buy in (and i suspect if the "paps" are annoying or bothersome to other parents trying to get into/out of that school parking lot some parents will say 'i'm tired of making concessions to one family-they choose this life, choose to air their dirty laundry in public, i'm not going to ban my kids from discussing it'. you're also going to have the core group that strongly adhere to the principles of the faith their christian school is based in-and they may voice privatly around their children or publicly to the school that something has to be said to the kids because what is being put out there, not only in the tabloids but by j&k is not nesc. in keeping with the conservative teachings i what i believe is their faith (a part of the pentacostal religion). some parents will feel that the school is going to have to take a stand-and that if they try to ignore or have a no talking policy about it they are promoting lifestyle choices that are in direct conflict with the faith based teaching many of these families (who truely do without to send their kids to these schools) have as the very basis for selecting the school.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

I frankly do not undertand why it's not illegal ffor a group of these leeches to corner Adam Lambert in a stairwell or keep Hallie Berry from taking her little girl to her car or harass Kate Gosselin in a parking lot.

I don't understand that either, especially after the ordeal with Princess Diana. They are like vultures and I would be so desperate to be rid of them after just one hour.

 

[madge]

it would be realy nice to believe that the twins schoolmates won't say anything about the less than plesant side of this situation but we are talking kids here, and kids talk-they say things to each other that we as parents could die of embarrassment over learning they've said.

I understand that .. I have 3 kids of my own, and have spent a lot of time in their classrooms. It's very enlightening

I know there will be talk ... I'm just hoping that it will be more of the regular kids talk about divorce variety, as opposed to "I saw your dad on the cover of a magazine" type thing.

and while I understand and empathize with Kate's desire to shelter the children and move slowly, at some point she will need to be more direct with them (at least Mady and Cara) about what's going on. Better to be proactive than reactive, IMO.

 

[disneychrista]

Did anyone else notice/hear Maddy say "I miss daddy, least" when they were discussing Jon being at the house?

I thought that that as too funny.

 

[barkley]

I don't understand that either, especially after the ordeal with Princess Diana. They are like vultures and I would be so desperate to be rid of them after just one hour.

even diana's most intimate friends have said that some of the paparazzi attention she brought on herself. clueing her chosen ones into where she would be with the kids for photo ops (memorable to me in the jon and kate context is the one during diana's divorce of her with the kids at a themepark in the 'see what kind of fun stuff i do with the kids vs what my husband does'nt do with them' vein). the chosen ones showed with the masses following.

the paparazzi are awful-but to some extent certain celebs solicit it. they invite or intentionaly leak information as to their whereabouts when it suits their agenda so the paps turn out in full force. i think it's a difficult argument at best to say this whole feeding frenzy of the paps is one sided. kate and jon both voluntarily sit down and interview for tabloids, they've given (or gotten paid) for private photos of the kids to populate some of these articles they've interviewed for.

stop doing interviews, stop facilitating the sales of a certain type of magazine by your own actions. that could end at least a small percentage of these idiots from bothering you. you have to start somewhere, so a babystep here, a babystep there. maybe if they stopped making their personal lives a public specticle the public would lose interest.


never in my life would i believe i would say this, but-i think j and k could take a cue from certain members of the jackson family and their recent behaviour. with all the crap that is happening and all the media coverage and insanity, some of the family members have circled the wagons around those 3 kids and kept them insulated and out of the public eye. there are some in that family that realize that given the current state of affairs and the public's interest feeding into the paparrazi's desire for coverage-they need to do what's best for the kids and protect them by just letting them deal with what they have to deal with PRIVATLY.

 

[redrosesix]

I thought she said/meant (I don't remember the exact words) he had been in and out a lot, and she couldn't say the exact time he actually left for good. I'm pretty sure I would have known when my husband left for good. I guess if he lived in the garage she didn't know if he was there or not. I wonder if it has something to do with the divorce or custody case, and for some reason she isn't supposed to say, or if he moved out when she was on tour. I mean, how could she not know when he wasn't there?

She should at least remember when he started living in the garage -- I would say that that was a defining point in their marriage. At least she would know if it was before or after Christmas.

when Jon actually left may not work out with the timeline of events Kate is putting out there. Or she may not really know .. he could have moved out when she was gone on the book tour?

I think the timeline is a big issue, not just hers but the show's ie. it sounds like they were essentially separated before Christmas, so how does that fit in with the way the show portrayed the Christmas holidays?

Having said that, I think they were right to have kept it secret at the time -- they might have worked things out, especially with Jon going to counselling and trying to convince Kate to go (yes, I believe that probably happened). It would have done no good at all to make the separation public if there was any chance of working it out.

I agree. Jon is like a loose cannon right now and it's in TLC's best interest to reign him in when it comes to interviews. Perhaps Jon is deliberately doing these articles in the hopes of being released from his TLC contract. Who knows.



I agree that TLC wouldn't show the kids in a negative light because they are their highest rated show. I wouldn't go on national TV to talk about my divorce either but I'm not Kate. Her personality is different than mine, much bolder and she probably feels the need to set the record straight. Like the celebrities who sue tabloids/reporters for slander. To give Kate credit, she was answering Meredith's questions about Jon's girlfriends, the rumors of her affair with Steve and the condo as well as how the kids are taking all this. It wasn't like she sat there and just babbled endlessly about everything including the kids. She only mentioned Cara's reaction to her and Jon's explanation for the divorce and why doesn't take off her ring (in response to Meredith's question again). So I don't feel she was airing all her dirty laundry for the world to see. She realizes that J&K+8 is a reality show so she is carefully IMO giving info. about this difficult time. If she sat there and chronicled each of the kids' reactions, problems with it and so on that would bother me because it would simply be too much info.



Let's hope Kate is screening some of those episodes...gumgate comes to mind as well as the coupon episode! In all fairness, there are many adorable episodes and I'm sure the kids get excited about seeing themselves in them. My kids get very excited about watching home movies of themselves and giggle the entire time.

I have to agree with your spin on Jon -- that is also my DH's opinion.

Re the kids watching the old shows, the first thing I thought when I heard her say that was now the kids get to see their parents fighting over and over again. And I wouldn't let them watch any of the episodes where Kate was "losing it", even if I was Jon.

I understand that .. I have 3 kids of my own, and have spent a lot of time in their classrooms. It's very enlightening

I know there will be talk ... I'm just hoping that it will be more of the regular kids talk about divorce variety, as opposed to "I saw your dad on the cover of a magazine" type thing.

and while I understand and empathize with Kate's desire to shelter the children and move slowly, at some point she will need to be more direct with them (at least Mady and Cara) about what's going on. Better to be proactive than reactive, IMO.

Yup, my DD heard about the divorce even though we don't have a TV here -- hasn't seen a TV since we were last home mid June. Kids talk about a lot of things, and divorce is a big topic of conversation among them since so many are affected by it. I agree with Madge -- there's no point in taking this slowly (I just don't get that, unless Kate is expecting that the living arrangements will change yet again), since the most drastic changes have already occurred.

This is, unfortunately, another issue where I just don't think Kate looks at things the same way that most people would.

even diana's most intimate friends have said that some of the paparazzi attention she brought on herself. clueing her chosen ones into where she would be with the kids for photo ops (memorable to me in the jon and kate context is the one during diana's divorce of her with the kids at a themepark in the 'see what kind of fun stuff i do with the kids vs what my husband does'nt do with them' vein). the chosen ones showed with the masses following.

the paparazzi are awful-but to some extent certain celebs solicit it. they invite or intentionaly leak information as to their whereabouts when it suits their agenda so the paps turn out in full force. i think it's a difficult argument at best to say this whole feeding frenzy of the paps is one sided. kate and jon both voluntarily sit down and interview for tabloids, they've given (or gotten paid) for private photos of the kids to populate some of these articles they've interviewed for.

stop doing interviews, stop facilitating the sales of a certain type of magazine by your own actions. that could end at least a small percentage of these idiots from bothering you. you have to start somewhere, so a babystep here, a babystep there. maybe if they stopped making their personal lives a public specticle the public would lose interest.


never in my life would i believe i would say this, but-i think j and k could take a cue from certain members of the jackson family and their recent behaviour. with all the crap that is happening and all the media coverage and insanity, some of the family members have circled the wagons around those 3 kids and kept them insulated and out of the public eye. there are some in that family that realize that given the current state of affairs and the public's interest feeding into the paparrazi's desire for coverage-they need to do what's best for the kids and protect them by just letting them deal with what they have to deal with PRIVATLY.

ITA! There are many celebrities that we only see at red carpet events. To some extent, it seems like J & K are courting the media, probably just the beginning of a long, drawn out divorce battle which is played out publicly as each states their case in a he said-she said back-and-forth free-for-all. There may be those that say they should not have to change their lives in order to maintain their privacy, but I would contend that they have changed their lives drastically to maintain the publicity and their income from the show. If they really thought their privacy was important, I think there are a lot of things they would have done differently.

 

[newtodis]

Jon Gosselin's taped interview with E! was slated for Monday night.

Instead, a few quotes from Jon's video interview appeared on E!'s website.

What happened? Who shut him up? You'll never guess ....

RadarOnline reports that a high-level TLC executive intervened and killed Jon's interview. Seems Jon is under contract with TLC for the show and needs network corporate approval for things like media appearances and interviews.

The network gave the thumbs-up to Kate's "Today" show interview on Monday.

And Kate Major also talked to E! calling Jon a "liar" and "two-timer." She says he was the one who told her to quit her Star job.

"We had plans to travel together, to live together, and to be together," Major told E! in a video interview. "He made his decision in the Hamptons. He wanted to be with me."

But when Jon tried to go on E! to tell his side of the story, all sorts of machinations took place. Instead, a quotes about Kate being the mother of his children and being glad Kate Major was out of his life appeared on the website.

TLC still needs him for filming. But for how long? If he continues to have a public midlife crisis, they might decide to do the show without him.

Not saying they will. But they might. Would you watch the show with Kate as a single mom of eight kids?

Isn't that better than having to watch Jon and his many girlfriend (s)?

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thedishrag/2009/08/is-tlc-trying-to-silence-jon-gosselin-.html

 

[madge]

I think the timeline is a big issue, not just hers but the show's ie. it sounds like they were essentially separated before Christmas, so how does that fit in with the way the show portrayed the Christmas holidays?

If there's any truth to the speculations and rumors, they were having trouble before they moved into the new house. Did Jon move into the garage apartment? Was he living in the basement at the old house? I think that TLC and Jon & Kate were prepared to keep living the charade of a happy family, no matter what .. and it got to the point where the rumors could no longer be denied.

I think part of the problem that we'll see with TLC's timeline is that the general viewing public is much more aware of when the episodes were filmed, of the family dynamic, etc.

Having said that, I think they were right to have kept it secret at the time -- they might have worked things out, especially with Jon going to counselling and trying to convince Kate to go (yes, I believe that probably happened). It would have done no good at all to make the separation public if there was any chance of working it out.

that makes sense. I'm sure that there were attempts made to help Jon & Kate make it work, through counseling, etc.

 

[redrosesix]

If there's any truth to the speculations and rumors, they were having trouble before they moved into the new house. Did Jon move into the garage apartment? Was he living in the basement at the old house? I think that TLC and Jon & Kate were prepared to keep living the charade of a happy family, no matter what .. and it got to the point where the rumors could no longer be denied.

I think part of the problem that we'll see with TLC's timeline is that the general viewing public is much more aware of when the episodes were filmed, of the family dynamic, etc.

When did they actually move into the new house? Maybe you're onto something here -- maybe the garage apartment sealed the deal for them when they were trying to choose a new house.

 

[MAKmom]

The twins are. My son is 9 and if I repeat anything minor he says he would get mad, he would probably be mad at me right now for telling you this. And when I say mad, I am not talking about screaming and yelling, it is more of an embarrassed mad. I could not imagine going on tv and telling the world that he said something silly.

She should at least remember when he started living in the garage -- I would say that that was a defining point in their marriage. At least she would know if it was before or after Christmas.



I think the timeline is a big issue, not just hers but the show's ie. it sounds like they were essentially separated before Christmas, so how does that fit in with the way the show portrayed the Christmas holidays?

Having said that, I think they were right to have kept it secret at the time -- they might have worked things out, especially with Jon going to counselling and trying to convince Kate to go (yes, I believe that probably happened). It would have done no good at all to make the separation public if there was any chance of working it out.



I have to agree with your spin on Jon -- that is also my DH's opinion.

Re the kids watching the old shows, the first thing I thought when I heard her say that was now the kids get to see their parents fighting over and over again. And I wouldn't let them watch any of the episodes where Kate was "losing it", even if I was Jon.



Yup, my DD heard about the divorce even though we don't have a TV here -- hasn't seen a TV since we were last home mid June. Kids talk about a lot of things, and divorce is a big topic of conversation among them since so many are affected by it. I agree with Madge -- there's no point in taking this slowly (I just don't get that, unless Kate is expecting that the living arrangements will change yet again), since the most drastic changes have already occurred.

This is, unfortunately, another issue where I just don't think Kate looks at things the same way that most people would.



ITA! There are many celebrities that we only see at red carpet events. To some extent, it seems like J & K are courting the media, probably just the beginning of a long, drawn out divorce battle which is played out publicly as each states their case in a he said-she said back-and-forth free-for-all. There may be those that say they should not have to change their lives in order to maintain their privacy, but I would contend that they have changed their lives drastically to maintain the publicity and their income from the show. If they really thought their privacy was important, I think there are a lot of things they would have done differently.

What the point of rushing the kids? They could get back together

In PA we have no fault divorce. There is no long drawn out anything. If both agree, it is 90 days start to finish. If one partner does not want the divorce they can only make the other wait 2 years then it is over. No matter who the bad guy is everything is split down the middle for the most part. No alimony

 

[DMRick]

She should at least remember when he started living in the garage -- I would say that that was a defining point in their marriage. At least she would know if it was before or after Christmas..

I didn't hear that question. I thought she was asked when he moved on, or out, or when she knew it was over. I think they have both shared enough for me to know that the marriage was in real trouble shortly after the vow exchange aired (IMO, as I stated here, I thought it was in the tubes for a lot longer and the vow renewel was a last chance effort). I don't really need to know anymore. Perhaps the kids didn't realize he had moved out, and it wasn't something she wanted to broadcast in the interview. People would pick it apart no matter what her answer was. It's going to be a lot of he said she said. I'd like to just enjoy the show and ignore the mud slinging.

 

[madge]

When did they actually move into the new house? Maybe you're onto something here -- maybe the garage apartment sealed the deal for them when they were trying to choose a new house.

they moved in October or November of last year. It was definitely before the holidays, because the puppies were Christmas gifts and they were already in the house at that point.

 

[madge]

I'd like to just enjoy the show and ignore the mud slinging.

I think that ship has sailed ... much mud slung. much mud left to sling. maybe not. maybe it will all level out and there won't be so much Gosselin news overload.

 

[redrosesix]

I didn't hear that question. I thought she was asked when he moved on, or out, or when she knew it was over. I think they have both shared enough for me to know that the marriage was in real trouble shortly after the vow exchange aired (IMO, as I stated here, I thought it was in the tubes for a lot longer and the vow renewel was a last chance effort). I don't really need to know anymore. Perhaps the kids didn't realize he had moved out, and it wasn't something she wanted to broadcast in the interview. People would pick it apart no matter what her answer was. It's going to be a lot of he said she said. I'd like to just enjoy the show and ignore the mud slinging.

You're right -- I think she just asked when the marriage was over or something. But I would say that when he started sleeping in the garage, they were separated.

As for holding back (for whatever reason), I think since Jon has already said October, the info is pretty much out there. And, JMHO, I think a lot of what Kate was doing in the interview was a rebuttal of Jon's article.

And I agree with Madge -- the mud is slung.

 

[Family Fun Mom]

Jon Gosselin's taped interview with E! was slated for Monday night.

Instead, a few quotes from Jon's video interview appeared on E!'s website.

What happened? Who shut him up? You'll never guess ....

RadarOnline reports that a high-level TLC executive intervened and killed Jon's interview. Seems Jon is under contract with TLC for the show and needs network corporate approval for things like media appearances and interviews.

The network gave the thumbs-up to Kate's "Today" show interview on Monday.

And Kate Major also talked to E! calling Jon a "liar" and "two-timer." She says he was the one who told her to quit her Star job.

"We had plans to travel together, to live together, and to be together," Major told E! in a video interview. "He made his decision in the Hamptons. He wanted to be with me."

But when Jon tried to go on E! to tell his side of the story, all sorts of machinations took place. Instead, a quotes about Kate being the mother of his children and being glad Kate Major was out of his life appeared on the website.

TLC still needs him for filming. But for how long? If he continues to have a public midlife crisis, they might decide to do the show without him.

Not saying they will. But they might. Would you watch the show with Kate as a single mom of eight kids?

Isn't that better than having to watch Jon and his many girlfriend (s)?

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thedishrag/2009/08/is-tlc-trying-to-silence-jon-gosselin-.html

We were right!

 

[Family Fun Mom]

You're right -- I think she just asked when the marriage was over or something. But I would say that when he started sleeping in the garage, they were separated.

As for holding back (for whatever reason), I think since Jon has already said October, the info is pretty much out there. And, JMHO, I think a lot of what Kate was doing in the interview was a rebuttal of Jon's article.

And I agree with Madge -- the mud is slung.

Jon did say October. He also said when he returned from Utah was the moment he completely gave up and moved out. I tend to believe him on this point. You do not forget the moment your marriage officially ended. She's full of it. She'll say and do anything to keep her gravy train running.

 

[mousey]

Kate is going to do whatever it takes to keep this trainwreck of a show going. I think TLC is trying to play her as the "victim" and Jon as the "villian". I don't agree with the way Jon is acting, but who knows what he put up with married to her for 10 years.
I think the viewer audience will drop more and more as each week goes by. Many viewers said they were tired of viewing vacations, donated freebies and just an unrealistic family life for a large family where neither parent works!

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

I think TLC is trying to play her as the "victim" and Jon as the "villian". I don't agree with the way Jon is acting, but who knows what he put up with married to her for 10 years.

I think Jon is doing a great job being the villain, he needs no assistance from TLC. And by the same token, we don't know what she had to put up with being married to him for 10 years.