Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 5

[3prettyprincesses]

You have no way of knowing he didn't try to work it out -- he wrote his own vows for the renewal and Kate did what? Picked on him. And since it was Kate who said she wouldn't have married him again (in the People article and elsewhere) how do you know that it wasn't really her call. Either Jon had to be what she told him to be, or move on.

But on his non-custodial days, he isn't supposed to be doing those things. Unfortunately, that's how divorce works. If a kid needs to be picked up, taken to a game, taken to the dentist, it's the parent who has custody that day who is supposed to go.

What are you talking about regarding the vow renewal? I know they both wrote their own vows but don't recall Kate picking on Jon's. I actually thought Kate's vows were rather kind, she mentioned how she wants to try harder to be kinder in her treatment of him.

As far as Jon not doing things on his non-custodial days with the kids, what about in case of emergencies? He's all the way in NY at his bachelor pad. Suppose something horrible happens to one of the kids? How long will it take him to get there? I think it was self-centered and yet another slap in the face for Kate that Jon chose to move to NY and live in a posh apartment. IMO a responsible, caring Dad wouldn't have moved hours away from his kids.

 

[happygirl]

Once again, when someone does not agree or questions Kate they are automatically a "hater". It's sad that this card has to be pulled out every few pages.



I agree.



Well said, thank you!



I think at this point it is all speculations. Until I hear it from Jon or Hailey I don't believe it.



She said in a show (season 2 or 3) in an interview/Q&A show. The question was asked about Grandparents and Kate said that they don't have contact with her parents because "they didn't know how to help us". Jon said his Mom was busy and she didn't want to be on camera. Then Kate went on the to say that the kids had many people that loved them and loved "us" so they were fine.

Are you a fan of Kate answer me that

 

[PrincessKsMom]

So I guess this means Jon will be fathering more children?

 

[Buckalew11]

What are you talking about regarding the vow renewal? I know they both wrote their own vows but don't recall Kate picking on Jon's. I actually thought Kate's vows were rather kind, she mentioned how she wants to try harder to be kinder in her treatment of him.

As far as Jon not doing things on his non-custodial days with the kids, what about in case of emergencies? He's all the way in NY at his bachelor pad. Suppose something horrible happens to one of the kids? How long will it take him to get there? I think it was self-centered and yet another slap in the face for Kate that Jon chose to move to NY and live in a posh apartment. IMO a responsible, caring Dad wouldn't have moved hours away from his kids.

I'm wondering the same thing about the vows.


Totally agree with your opinion. Somehings can't be "scheduled". Then what? "Well, it just isn't my dad to be *dad*." I can see certain things will fall during Kate's watch and certain things will fall on Jon's watch. I don't think it'd be fair for Kate to do all the doctor's , dentist, hair etc. appointments and Jon to just get fun time with the kids. And I don't think Jon ought to get all those appointments type things either and for kate to have all the fun. I'd want that divided out equally. But what if something happened and you needed Dad there ASAP for help (or the child wanted dad there) but it wasn't dad's day? That seems mighty wrong to me and I'd hate to be answering for that type thing.
I hope somehow this can be worked out for the kid's sakes.

 

[Buckalew11]

So I guess this means Jon will be fathering more children?

Someone said he was snipped. Let's hope there won't be anymore children for this father of 8.

 

[DreaGirl]

Are you a fan of Kate answer me that

Well...I used to be a fan of the show. Then Kate started to annoy me with her behavior so I kind of tuned her out because I enjoyed watching the kids. Then I found it impossible to tune her out and finally stopped watching the show.

I did become addicted to this thread though so I do read the links posted and contribute my opinion on what happened before I stopped watching (beginning of season 5) or pictures/stories that are posted.

So, I guess the short answer would be no, I'm not a fan. I don't hate her or dislike her. I don't consider myself a "hater", but I'm sure others do since I do voice my opinion and often don't agree with people that tend to lean to the Kate side. If I had to classify myself I would say that overall I feel sad for Kate because she has isolated herself from her friends and family, is going through a very public divorce, and cares more about "the perfect image" than living a real life.

 

[DreaGirl]

I'm wondering the same thing about the vows.

I thought the whole vow renewal was a sham. If Kate's timeline is correct then they were already having major issues at the time so the vows were just a script written for the viewers.

 

[happygirl]

Well...I used to be a fan of the show. Then Kate started to annoy me with her behavior so I kind of tuned her out because I enjoyed watching the kids. Then I found it impossible to tune her out and finally stopped watching the show.

I did become addicted to this thread though so I do read the links posted and contribute my opinion on what happened before I stopped watching (beginning of season 5) or pictures/stories that are posted.

So, I guess the short answer would be no, I'm not a fan. I don't hate her or dislike her. I don't consider myself a "hater", but I'm sure others do since I do voice my opinion and often don't agree with people that tend to lean to the Kate side. If I had to classify myself I would say that overall I feel sad for Kate because she has isolated herself from her friends and family, is going through a very public divorce, and cares more about "the perfect image" than living a real life.

Thank you for your honesty

 

[phamton]

Are you a fan of Kate answer me that

None of us are obligated to state whether we are a fan or not. We can state our opinion without declaring which "side" we are on. I'm assuming that many of us are neither a fan nor a hater.

I can't say it any better than DMRick so I'll just quote her:

No one has to like Kate or like Jon, and as long as we recognize we each have the right to have opinions, this discussion will continue to be a fun one. Once we start saying that people's opinions are wrong <snip> then it has the possibility of becoming snarky, and not fun.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Well...I used to be a fan of the show. Then Kate started to annoy me with her behavior so I kind of tuned her out because I enjoyed watching the kids. Then I found it impossible to tune her out and finally stopped watching the show.

I did become addicted to this thread though so I do read the links posted and contribute my opinion on what happened before I stopped watching (beginning of season 5) or pictures/stories that are posted.

So, I guess the short answer would be no, I'm not a fan. I don't hate her or dislike her. I don't consider myself a "hater", but I'm sure others do since I do voice my opinion and often don't agree with people that tend to lean to the Kate side. If I had to classify myself I would say that overall I feel sad for Kate because she has isolated herself from her friends and family, is going through a very public divorce, and cares more about "the perfect image" than living a real life.

Blech, I can't stand the term 'Kate hater' either! I think there are those of us who don't care for her behavior and those who don't mind it. Then there are those of us who feel on the fence. I enjoy reading all the opinions from both sides of fence and it has kept me in check from being overly critical in some things. Anyhoo, I appreciate opinions even if they're different than mine! Oh, and I totally agree that this thread is addicting!

I thought the whole vow renewal was a sham. If Kate's timeline is correct then they were already having major issues at the time so the vows were just a script written for the viewers.

I used to think that but when I watched it again, that whole trip seemed like they were really enjoying themselves. The vow renewal itself seemed genuine to me, mostly on Kate's end though. Her vows sounded candid and honest like she understood that she treats Jon badly at times and needs to work on it. My guess is that it was a last ditch effort to mend something that probably couldn't be mended unfortunately. But I think they tried and sincerely enjoyed that trip. Remember how excited Kate was that Leah was swimming underwater? She kept saying 'Jon, Jon look at her' with such happiness. That seemed genuine as did the dinner they all had together with the coconut drinks. That's my take on it anyway. I don't think we'll ever know the full truth and honestly, we aren't entitled to know it. Although deep down I'd LOVE to know!

 

[happygirl]

See I don't like all the hatered spewed at Kate. I don't like that at all.

 

[Buckalew11]

I thought the whole vow renewal was a sham. If Kate's timeline is correct then they were already having major issues at the time so the vows were just a script written for the viewers.

I see.

I've stated before that I thought Jon's renewals were insincere. He didn't seem into the whole thing at all to me. I think he liked the family part but not the renewal part.
I thought Kate was totally into it and almost desperate.(which makes more sense to me now seeing as they were probably having trouble back last August). She kept repeating about how mommy and daddy were going to be together forever and she had to ask him to kiss her on the dance floor. Her vows seemed very sincere to me, telling him she was going to try to treat him more respectful etc. She just seemed very desperate to me. I watched it 2 or 3 times and saw it every time.

I don't doubt they were having majors issues back then. Not sure whether the renewal was to try a desperate attempt to get back together OR if it was planned for the show and they got so deep into it they had to go through with it (the way some people do at weddings when they should instead call them off).

I hope the truth comes out about the renwal someday. I would like to know the truth behind that whole thing.

 

[DreaGirl]

See I don't like all the hatered spewed at Kate. I don't like that at all.

I don't see it as hate. I see it as seeing it from a different viewpoint and someone else's opinion.

 

[happygirl]

I don't see it as hate. I see it as seeing it from a different viewpoint and someone else's opinion.

I guess I can understand that but I hate when I have to explain my opinion to others. Like I have to back it up. I guess that just my thing

 

[lucas]

See I don't like all the hatered spewed at Kate. I don't like that at all.

I thought that was the reason why you started the J&K non bash thread.

 

[DreaGirl]

I guess I can understand that but I hate when I have to explain my opinion to others. Like I have to back it up. I guess that just my thing

I know where you are coming from. Sometimes I hesitate to post something because I feel like someone is either going to A. tear it apart or B. ask for a link. Sometimes it is just my opinion or remembered reading in some article from who knows were.

 

[Buckalew11]

See I don't like all the hatered spewed at Kate. I don't like that at all.

Well, I think that hate is a strong word (we've been through this before) and it just isn't a welcomed phrase.
I do not hate Jon or Kate. I do not know them. I am not fond of what I know of Jon---esp. with his choice of girlfriends). I'm not a fan of either one of them.

There is sometimes some really strong feelings of dislike for Kate spoken here and while i do not like to read it because it is *hateful* sounding to me, it is someone's opinion of her and I can respect that. I still do not like reading it and it always causes one to think of more than just the words you are reading from the poster's post but you just keep that inside yourself and move on.
I hardly think it bother Kate as much as it bothers even you. She's a tough girl who knows she isn't pleasing everyone and doesn't care to try to please everyone. While I think she would have to be hurt by a lot of the internet posts out there if she read them, I think she has tough skin and can move past them.
If you read this thread, it is just something you have to get past and relaize, everyone sees things differently.

 

[happygirl]

I thought that was the reason why you started the J&K non bash thread.

I did but people stopped posting in it.

 

[redrosesix]

Did I say he did everything wrong?

No, but Kate seemed to. An example: one 4th of July, after everybody was buckled in and they were ready to go, Kate asked Jon if he had packed jackets for the kids, he said yes, then she questioned him what he had packed. He said they had 8 various red, white and blue jackets and fleeces. Sounds fine to me. But no, those weren't the ones Kate wanted. And then she said to jon, in front of the kids "I don't trust your judgement."

Kate's problem was that she couldn't accept that Jon might think or do things differently from her -- and if it wasn't her way, it was the wrong way. If I had to deal with that regularly, I would just give up trying to do anything. So, I don't see it as being the case that Kate had to control Jon, at least not always.

What are you talking about regarding the vow renewal? I know they both wrote their own vows but don't recall Kate picking on Jon's. I actually thought Kate's vows were rather kind, she mentioned how she wants to try harder to be kinder in her treatment of him.

As far as Jon not doing things on his non-custodial days with the kids, what about in case of emergencies? He's all the way in NY at his bachelor pad. Suppose something horrible happens to one of the kids? How long will it take him to get there? I think it was self-centered and yet another slap in the face for Kate that Jon chose to move to NY and live in a posh apartment. IMO a responsible, caring Dad wouldn't have moved hours away from his kids.

So I guess you would think my DH isn't a responsible, caring Dad because he had to take a job 4 hours from us. Or what about all the soldiers doing tours right now. Or all the dads that work for the fire department, police department, etc. that can't leave work at the drop of a hat.

IMO, 2.5 hours (and that is all that it is) is not that far away, even in an emergency. Heck, many people commute that far every day.

I think I'm getting deja vue -- didn't we discuss the apartment and the vow renewal about 40 pages ago?

 

[3prettyprincesses]

So I guess you would think my DH isn't a responsible, caring Dad because he had to take a job 4 hours from us. Or what about all the soldiers doing tours right now. Or all the dads that work for the fire department, police department, etc. that can't leave work at the drop of a hat.

IMO, 2.5 hours (and that is all that it is) is not that far away, even in an emergency. Heck, many people commute that far every day.

I think I'm getting deja vue -- didn't we discuss the apartment and the vow renewal about 40 pages ago?

Wow, I certainly didn't say that, would never say that. Jon doesn't have a job requiring him to be in NY does he? Nope. Is he in the military? Nope. He has the freedom to choose where to live unlike the examples you gave. IMO (my opinion) him choosing to live so far away doesn't seem responsible or caring. I am not talking about military Dads, firefighters, policemen or your DH. I am talking about Jon Gosselin only which the context of my comment clearly illustrated. That's all.