Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 5

[kidshop]

I'm not surprised. (doesn't matter what specific event I'm talking about anymore even ) They have fallen so far, and yet still have so far to go I fear.

 

[DVCLiz]

Double post!

 

[madge]

Re #3: the Utah condo, I believe, is a timeshare (pretty much all of the developments there are). Per week, the Canyons is about the same price as DVC, but many in Park City are far less expensive than DVC.

Re #4: the original story was that Jon was buying a condo in a Trump building, but now they're saying he leased an apartment in another building.

I didn't realize the Park City thing was a timeshare... I'll have to google that one and see what I can find out

Leasing in a building is less than owning, but still quite a financial commitment. Less taxes, I guess!

 

[DVCLiz]

I totally understand and agree with what you are saying, but, Jon and Kate have said over and over, that everything is for the kids and if they wanted to, they could work things out so they can both be there for them. I'm not tallking about popping by or coming over to tuck someone in bed, but school is starting. There will be plays and sporting events and that kind of thing. What is wrong with agreeing they both can attend? Yes, that might not be in their agreement, but afterall, who makes up the agreement? They are not all the same. If indeed they are all about their kids as they have both stated, an agreement like this should be possible. My sister's SIL who won't even speak to her ex doesn't say anything about him coming to her son's baseball games.
First, the ballfield is a public place, what can she really say? And second, she knows her son loves it when he comes.

Yes, but you don't have to live in the same town in order to get to those regularly scheduled events. You can live a couple hours away and still get to a play or a game.

Another point to consider about these "public places" like a ballfield - it may be that the Gosselins know what a media circus would ensue if they both showed up at an event, and they might very well choose to let their own kids and the other kids have fun without the zoo that would surely happen if both parents showed up.

But really, who knows? I sure don't. It will be interesting to see....

 

[redrosesix]

I didn't realize the Park City thing was a timeshare... I'll have to google that one and see what I can find out

Leasing in a building is less than owning, but still quite a financial commitment. Less taxes, I guess!

You should check out the units available in Park City (that's the name of the town -- I don't know where Jon owns) -- I did and now I want to own there.

I googled the Canyons first -- it's extremely nice, especially their hotel. Try googling Canyons Utah resale, and then Park City Utah resale. Just bear in mind that in many timeshare resale listings, the owners are posting them hoping to make a profit (and usually they can only get 10 percent of what they originally paid for the unit)

 

[Geoff_M]

Rockville, Maryland?

Gotta post this: "Don't Go Back To Rockville!" It's all at that I can think of when I hear that city's name.

 

[madge]

Gotta post this: "Don't Go Back To Rockville!" It's all at that I can think of when I hear that city's name.

same here! love REM!

 

[madge]

You should check out the units available in Park City (that's the name of the town -- I don't know where Jon owns) -- I did and now I want to own there.

I googled the Canyons first -- it's extremely nice, especially their hotel. Try googling Canyons Utah resale, and then Park City Utah resale. Just bear in mind that in many timeshare resale listings, the owners are posting them hoping to make a profit (and usually they can only get 10 percent of what they originally paid for the unit)

the reference I found (the Park City Record interview) doesn't say he bought a timeshare. It says he's buying a condo. I know they can be the same thing .. but, I think it's possible he bought a condo.

TLC dad at home on local slopes

Discovery Channel shoots episode oh father, daughter’s love of Park City
Adia Waldburger, of the Record staff
Posted: 01/13/2009 04:54:07 PM MST

When the Discovery Channel sent the Gosselin family to Park City last winter, it turns out it was familiar territory for one family member. Jon Gosselin, father of twins and sextuplets on the hit show, “Jon and Kate plus Eight” was an avid snowboarder long before he ever set foot in Utah.

The Pennsylvania native grew up snowboarding at Eastern ski resorts, mixing in trips to places like Jackson Hole, Beaver Creek, Vail, and even Chamonix Mt Blanc in France all before age 19. Then “real life,” as he calls it, in the form of a wife and more kids than he could count came into the picture and the snowboard was stored. But after The Canyons Resort invited the family and the show to visit last year, an old love affair with the mountains was rekindled after 10 years away.

Gosselin, 31, said he took to the slopes like he had never left.

“It all came back,” he said.

The more thrilling part is that his daughter, Cara, age 8, is a natural on the slopes.

Since that trip, Gosselin had been wanting to make skiing and snowboarding a daddy-daughter bonding experience, and last week he finally did something about it.

With the Discovery Channel film crew in tow, Gosselin and Cara headed back to The Canyons. When it was time for Cara to head back to school, Gosselin made the decision to stay a few days and make a more permanent mark on the area. He will be purchasing a condo within The Canyons village to give his family a little home away from home in Utah. Well, at least Jon and Cara, that is. Gosselin’s wife, Kate, is an admitted indoors type and he figures she won’t be in on too many ski vacations.

“I’m looking for a father-daughter place,” Gosselin said.

Gosselin says the plan is to have a place to visit each winter and to continue riding on a regular basis. He says that he really enjoys Park City and the Canyons, and even in his 30s, he says that he fits right in with the young crowd on the mountain.

“It’s nice because I have eight kids, two dogs and live in Pennsylvania, and I can still hang with 15-year-olds,” he said.

Gosselin has been riding with friends and pro riders at the resort and spending the evenings discovering what Park City and Salt Lake have to offer. But he is most excited to set some vacation roots right here.

“You can do whatever you want here. I go places you can connect with people and it feels like a family,” Gosselin said.

He had never been in Utah before last year and once said in an interview that all he knew about Utah was “powder, Mormons and Moab.” Since then, his world has opened up to the warm community and top-notch snow and it looks like Gosselin will soon be a part-time resident.

 

[redrosesix]

The Canyons is a TS development plus hotel. Buying there is much cheaper than staying at their hotel (which would outdo any WDW deluxe resort). Yes, they have townhouses and homes in the development, but I read the same article you posted (the only one I found that called it a condo) and I don't think that's what he got. They are also a major golf resort and have tons of summer activities, but he obviously only bought winter weeks according to that article.

BTW, I'm just in the process of closing on our first "condo" in Orlando :rotfl2 ie. a floating prime week 3Bd at Cypress Pointe Resort. For TS's in Orlando, you can look them up in the Orange County database -- wonder if you can do that in Park City?

 

[GeorgiaPeach8]

is that clearly no one understands the legalities of a custody agreement.

I'm not sure the posters are all speaking from a strictly legal perspective. I know several couples who have gotten divorced and many of them don't stick to the legal agreement after the first few years. My BIL and SIL are a perfect example. They signed off on the week on-week off deal. But the boys hated it and were not adjusting well. Without going back to court, they just agreed on different custody. As the boys grew older, one of them was more interested in spending time with his dad. The custody was agreed upon again. All without adding to a lawyer's bank account! I know someone will comment about the potential legal ramifications of not following the written agreement--I understand. I have a friend who is a lawyer and she advised a mutal friend during a divorce and basically told her that the best divorces are hammered out along the way as things change. It is really expensive to drag someone back to court.

Okay not the point I wanted to make--another legal issue. Is is odd that Kate is supposedly buying this place?? Aren't most couples instructed not to make major purchases once the initial filing has taken place?? That would become joint property that would have to be divided. At least I think that is how it works in KY. Both friends who have gotten divorced recently received instructions not to make major purchases.

 

[OhMari]

I'm from the area and can tell you that she'd most likely have to take the 270 spur to 495 (the Capital Beltway) and then take 95 north to 695. Those routes have heavy traffic during the week.

Sorry, we must have gone in on a very quiet time. I think we drove in around 3:00 p.m. When we left DC, we went West towards West Virginia and the Shannendoah Mountains. My dh thought we could find parking in DC, and he did, by Thomas Jefferson Memorial. But I convinced him it wouldn't be that easy the next 3 days, so we drove to Rockville and got a hotel by the shopping plaza where Kohl's is, was, who knows if it is there anymore.

 

[mousey]

I don't care what legal agreement Jon & Kate have. They are both living far away from their kids home! If an emergency occurred with one of those 8 kids, it would take 3 hrs or more for either of them to get there.
My friend went through a Pennsylvania divorce and even though her entire family lived 3 hours away, there was no way she would leave her daughter with the childs father without being in the area. He would come and stay at the house and she actually got a hotel room close by. Her daughter would beg her to stay and not let him come over, but the court said otherwise.
When the divorce was finally final, she moved to another state with her daughter (to be close to family) and she had to pay for his airline ticket to come for visitation. Then he wanted her to pay for him and his girlfriend to come for visitation. Just because its the legal system doesn't make it right!

 

[emer95]

I don't care what legal agreement Jon & Kate have. They are both living far away from their kids home! If an emergency occurred with one of those 8 kids, it would take 3 hrs or more for either of them to get there.
My friend went through a Pennsylvania divorce and even though her entire family lived 3 hours away, there was no way she would leave her daughter with the childs father without being in the area. He would come and stay at the house and she actually got a hotel room close by. Her daughter would beg her to stay and not let him come over, but the court said otherwise.
When the divorce was finally final, she moved to another state with her daughter (to be close to family) and she had to pay for his airline ticket to come for visitation. Then he wanted her to pay for him and his girlfriend to come for visitation. Just because its the legal system doesn't make it right!

I totally agree. I don't understand what "draw" NYC or MD would have that would be bigger or better than being close to your children. Sure PA has something quaint with shops and a Starbucks nearby that could keep Kate happy, AND isn't a 3 hour drive away? That is, IF she's really getting a place there.

And ok, PA doesn't have anything like NYC, but so what? I hear Pittsburgh is nice. Get a place in the city there if you must, but remain in clse distance to your kids. I just don't get it.

 

[redrosesix]

I'm not sure the posters are all speaking from a strictly legal perspective. I know several couples who have gotten divorced and many of them don't stick to the legal agreement after the first few years. My BIL and SIL are a perfect example. They signed off on the week on-week off deal. But the boys hated it and were not adjusting well. Without going back to court, they just agreed on different custody. As the boys grew older, one of them was more interested in spending time with his dad. The custody was agreed upon again. All without adding to a lawyer's bank account! I know someone will comment about the potential legal ramifications of not following the written agreement--I understand. I have a friend who is a lawyer and she advised a mutal friend during a divorce and basically told her that the best divorces are hammered out along the way as things change. It is really expensive to drag someone back to court.

Okay not the point I wanted to make--another legal issue. Is is odd that Kate is supposedly buying this place?? Aren't most couples instructed not to make major purchases once the initial filing has taken place?? That would become joint property that would have to be divided. At least I think that is how it works in KY. Both friends who have gotten divorced recently received instructions not to make major purchases.

Here, once you are legally separated nothing becomes joint property (unless you choose to reconcile within 3 months, at which point the legal separation is considered not to have existed)

 

[madge]

BTW, I'm just in the process of closing on our first "condo" in Orlando :rotfl2 ie. a floating prime week 3Bd at Cypress Pointe Resort. For TS's in Orlando, you can look them up in the Orange County database -- wonder if you can do that in Park City?

I checked, but wasn't sure exactly where to look & find the info.

 

[Gette88]

And ok, PA doesn't have anything like NYC, but so what? I hear Pittsburgh is nice. Get a place in the city there if you must, but remain in clse distance to your kids. I just don't get it.

Center City Phila. is a beautiful city with lots of shopping, entertainment and fine restaurants.

 

[WaltD4Me]

I totally agree. I don't understand what "draw" NYC or MD would have that would be bigger or better than being close to your children. Sure PA has something quaint with shops and a Starbucks nearby that could keep Kate happy, AND isn't a 3 hour drive away? That is, IF she's really getting a place there.

And ok, PA doesn't have anything like NYC, but so what? I hear Pittsburgh is nice. Get a place in the city there if you must, but remain in clse distance to your kids. I just don't get it.

I agree with you, but Pittsburgh won't work, it's actually farther away than NYC. Don't give him any ideas!

I completely understand that there are probably many legal issues and that divorces can be nasty and bitter, but it still just bothers me that these two would chose to live so far away. As someone else said, things change, you find out something isnt working and you re-adjust, formally or informally. So if they really bought these places in NYC and MD, it certainly doesn't make them flexible to re-work the arrangement if it isnt working out.

 

[madge]

I completely understand that there are probably many legal issues and that divorces can be nasty and bitter, but it still just bothers me that these two would chose to live so far away. As someone else said, things change, you find out something isnt working and you re-adjust, formally or informally. So if they really bought these places in NYC and MD, it certainly doesn't make them flexible to re-work the arrangement if it isnt working out.

neither parent maintains a residence in the state where their children live and own a home. and they're choosing to do that. that just says a lot to me. maybe it shouldn't, I don't have any personal understanding about how divorce works. maybe this situation is best for Jon and Kate, I just can't see how.

 

[GeorgiaPeach8]

Here, once you are legally separated nothing becomes joint property (unless you choose to reconcile within 3 months, at which point the legal separation is considered not to have existed)

So, at the legal seperate have they already developed a primary money agreement? Because in KY that is why you aren't suppose to spend tons of money after filing (it all becomes joint property) to protect one spouse from wiping the other out financially. But in KY the couples essentially create their divorce agreement. I have a friend whose ex decided to move an hour and a half away and she drives the kids to met them half way b/c she said it was costing her more in lawyer fees to argue about it than it would cost in gas

 

[redrosesix]

I checked, but wasn't sure exactly where to look & find the info.

Well, I think I figured out where to start -- Park City is in Summit County, so it would be the Summit County Recorder's office. Here's the link:
http://property.summitcounty.org/eaglesoftware/eagleweb/docSearch.jsp

Below is the link to the TS we're buying:
http://or.occompt.com/recorder/eagleweb/viewDoc.jsp?node=DOCC12193311

The reason for looking up the deed is to make sure you're buying what is listed in the ad -- especially on eBay, the agent/broker can make mistakes when they cut and paste ads. For Orange County, you can do a search by name and you end up with something like shown in my link.

Good luck with your search. Not all jurisdictions make this info available publicly, online and free, but many do. I read somewhere that the Gosselins had set up a corporation, so they may have their property ownership under that name.

So, at the legal seperate have they already developed a primary money agreement? Because in KY that is why you aren't suppose to spend tons of money after filing (it all becomes joint property) to protect one spouse from wiping the other out financially. But in KY the couples essentially create their divorce agreement. I have a friend whose ex decided to move an hour and a half away and she drives the kids to met them half way b/c she said it was costing her more in lawyer fees to argue about it than it would cost in gas

If PA rules are the same as here, the separation agreement would spell out the interim custody arrangement, as well as deciding who owns what -- usually just dividing cash and debts into the 2 names and leaving large assets to be divided later. As such, the divorce is usually just a formality.